back to article IBM raising axe for 'significant workforce balancing in Europe', says staffer rep council

The Global Technology Services division at IBM will bear the brunt of the latest round of bloodletting in Europe, according to a letter from the organisation that helps impacted employees navigate redundancy. In a letter to staff mid-May, seen by The Register, the European Works Council (EWC) warned of "significant workforce …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Outsourcing

    *Checks who outsourced to IBM in 2017 in Europe*

    Looks like Lloyds and Aecom staff are being let go :(

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Outsourcing

      The Vodafone lot have only just moved across to IBM. (1st May)... so probably a it too early for them.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Outsourcing

      EU AECOM people were almost all "balanced out" in Summer of 2017 - some (a very few) were kept with IBM and a few others were kept via 3rd part contract.

  2. GruntyMcPugh

    Given the recent rounds of redundancy,....

    ... were paid out at Statutory Minimum, what's the incentive to take VR?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Given the recent rounds of redundancy,....

      "what's the incentive to take VR?"

      Self respect.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Given the recent rounds of redundancy,....

        >Self respect.

        You are working at IBM !

    2. Ian Michael Gumby

      Re: Given the recent rounds of redundancy,....

      Usually there's some perks like reimbursement for retraining up to a certain dollar amount.

      The issue is that if you take a package... you need senior execs to sign off on bringing you back.

      1. LucreLout

        Re: Given the recent rounds of redundancy,....

        The issue is that if you take a package... you need senior execs to sign off on bringing you back.

        As one of my former colleagues used to say:

        Ex-employers are like ex-girlfriends: there's a reason you broke up, and there's millions of other opportunities out there, so why go back?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Given the recent rounds of redundancy,....

          "The issue is that if you take a package... you need senior execs to sign off on bringing you back."

          To continue the trend ....

          Never go back !!!

          There was a reason why *you* or the *Company* saw fit to break the original contract and go separate ways ..... it is unlikely that those reasons have gone (maybe 'at best' they have been 'painted' a different colour).

          You are more than likely going to reach the point where you feel you made a mistake and it is problematic to explain away leaving the same company twice !!!

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Given the recent rounds of redundancy,....

            This is usually only invoked when IBM realise they need you and hire you back as a contractor at twice your old pay - it used to be the default for IBM re-fire-ees but got stamped out over a decade ago by putting in that rule. Now only those senior enough to know the dirt on the Execs get taken back on contract.

    3. MOV r0,r0

      Re: Given the recent rounds of redundancy,....

      'the EWC foresees a further increase in workload for the remaining IBMers'

      You get to dodge doing two jobs for the wage of one?

    4. Mark 85

      Re: Given the recent rounds of redundancy,....

      Get out of purgatory early.

  3. DrXym

    IBM really doesn't like its workforce does it?

    Seems like they heap one bullshit ignominy after another onto their staff hoping they'll quit before the next round of layoffs happen. The problem with that strategy is most of the people with actual skills leave and all they're left with are the poor bastards who can't go somewhere else. Then moral and efficiency goes down the toilet and the cycle repeats.

    1. Jay Lenovo
      Unhappy

      Re: IBM really doesn't like its workforce does it?

      IBM does great with business from Europe, but employing Europeans is an area for cut-backs.

      There seems to be a leak in the prosperity chain.

      1. Alistair
        Windows

        Re: IBM really doesn't like its workforce does it?

        Considering this is still fallout from the 'trickle down economic structure" I'd say there was a *blockage* in the prosperity pipeline.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: IBM really doesn't like its workforce does it?

      The problem with the workforce is that you have to keep on paying it. This is really quite tiresome, and it cuts into profits. However, sooner or (not much) later, IBM will have eliminated the workforce, thereby maximising profits.

      I'm really quite glad I helped them with this endeavour 4+ years ago. (Hence anon.)

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  4. BebopWeBop

    as a result, the EWC foresees a further increase in workload for the remaining IBMers

    T'was ever thus - and increased frustration about the declining service by their customers - obviously this is not a business they wish to grow.

    1. Whitter
      Thumb Down

      EWC foresees a further increase in workload for the remaining IBMers

      The word the workforce are looking for is "no".

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I have little sympathy for the customers

      Customers who bid out their managed services contracts and go with the lowest bidder will of course get the lowest quality service.

      A lot of government contracts in the US require US based employees perform the work, both due to concerns over data loss but also because taxpayers generally want to see their tax dollars benefitting people in the US (or in the same state if it is for a state government) but because those people are more expensive providers try to get by with the absolute minimum headcount - meaning that if there's much attrition they're always behind since hiring takes much longer. So they end up getting the worst service of all.

      Too bad there isn't a market for premium managed services where companies understand they will be paying more but can demand and receive best in class service. Many other markets have a premium segment, but managed services has been in a long term race to the bottom ever since the early 2000s.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Facepalm

    Somewhere, Thomas Watson is spinning in his grave...

    El Reg needs a new tab just for IBM layoffs/workforce reductions/right-sizing/culling the herd, just like it has for DevOps, Security and Emergent Tech.

    1. Alistair
      Windows

      Re: Somewhere, Thomas Watson is spinning in his grave...

      @MarketingHack:

      I'll suggest Ginni's Gestures as the title for the subsection.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Ginni's Gestures

        Given that these reductions won't do the trick and IBM will continue to falter how about naming it: "Meaningless Gestures"?

    2. macjules
      Black Helicopters

      Re: Somewhere, Thomas Watson is spinning in his grave...

      Already have a helicopter as an icon ...

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Somewhere, Thomas Watson is spinning in his grave...

      You mean "old 'Pin-Wheel' Thomas?

  6. disgruntled yank

    balancing

    On their toes, at the end of the plank?

  7. Howard Hanek

    The Unbalanced Desire 'Balance'

    Truly IBM's management haven't been 'balanced' for quite some time. I doubt they display ANY observable human characteristics.

    1. a_yank_lurker

      Re: The Unbalanced Desire 'Balance'

      Are you saying Ginni is nothing more than an actress hired to front the AI overlords?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: The Unbalanced Desire 'Balance'

        I know Watson hasn't been the success that IBZm had hoped for, but it's streets ahead of Ginni on empathy, compassion and business strategy.

        Admittedly, they haven't tried to train Watson on business strategy, but it does a good job at simulated coin tosses.

    2. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

      Re: The Unbalanced Desire 'Balance'

      It will only be balanced when 100% of the workforce is paid a pittance in some offshore sweatshop.

      The same goes for most other big IT companies these days.

      There IS NO FUTURE IN IT IN THE UK. Get out while you can.

      1. GruntyMcPugh

        Re: The Unbalanced Desire 'Balance'

        @Steve Davies 3: "here IS NO FUTURE IN IT IN THE UK"

        I agree, and wonder why our Govt are so keen to promote programming courses at school.

        1. tcmonkey

          Re: The Unbalanced Desire 'Balance'

          Oh that’s easy to answer. It’s because the government are, as usual, stuck 25 years in the past.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: The Unbalanced Desire 'Balance'

        "It will only be balanced when 100% of the workforce is paid a pittance in some offshore sweatshop."

        I'm not sure this is accurate. IBM don't care where workers are located as long as they are paid a pittance. They are an equal opportunity employer for cheap labour...

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    You are always in the line of fire...

    Doesn't matter your tenure, skills, or role... at IBM you are ALWAYS in the crosshairs for layoffs. If you want a short, stressful career... choose to work (until they don't want you) for IBM.

    1. phuzz Silver badge

      Re: You are always in the line of fire...

      "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM".

      But if you work there...

    2. Julz

      Re: You are always in the line of fire...

      There are many other USA based tech companies that offer the same career path.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    subcontractor replacement

    IBM management is being urged to "continue to investigate, apply and advertise subcontractor replacement were possible as one of the alternative approaches", the letter noted.

    Won't be surprised if I get my marching orders, to be replaced by the permi who should have been picking up from me who sits on their arse most of the day doing who knows what

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Will the last IBMer turn out the lights.

    Can't be long to go now.

    1. Anonymous South African Coward Silver badge

      Will the last IBMer turn out the lights.

      Can't be long to go now.

      What about the mainframes? Forceful switch off, or graceful shutdown before switch off?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Sale to CA by 2023?

  11. Denarius

    Europe area made money?

    Cant have that now, Might spoil a perfect red pie chart in the annual financials

  12. Securitymoose

    Workforce balancing?

    A new way of saying, 'sacking half the workers'. Nobody is fooled, so why do they bother? Doesn't it make you want to punch the spin doctors in the face, or in their terms, 'engage in re-modelling of their client-facing appearance'?

  13. Unicornpiss
    Flame

    Wow, IBM is going to lay off/fire more people?

    Gee, that never happens at IBM.

    Where's the sarcasm icon..

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Let's face it .....

    Watson was always just bullshit, plain and simple. If you want to build a career based on bullshit, get some wellies. Tall wellies.

  15. SonOfDilbert
    Coffee/keyboard

    As a Red Hatter based in Europe...

    As a Red Hatter based in Europe and three years shy of 50, I am observing our new overlords with, erm, interest.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: As a Red Hatter based in Europe...

      In Europe, as far as I can tell, IBM don't care about your age. They do care how long you've been with the company (longer=bad) as that makes you expensive.

      I'm sure once you're rolled up with the AIX team there'll be loads of work for everyone.

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