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Average salaries for tech jobs advertised in the UK are up 1.7 per cent compared to last year, according to jobs-board botherers at Reed Technology. Its State of Skills survey said PHP developers saw advertised salaries jump 6.9 per cent, Java developers' pay packets went up 6 per cent and data scientists' 5.9 per cent. The …

  1. Dan 55 Silver badge

    Full stack developer +41% offers, +4.3% salary

    What's a full stack developer but an IT bod who does a bit of everything?

    1. monty75

      Re: Full stack developer +41% offers, +4.3% salary

      An IT bod that pads their CV with a buzzword bingo card

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Full stack developer +41% offers, +4.3% salary

      Full stack for us is hardware and software.

      Sadly "full stack" in this case is = (html/js/css) frontend, some (ruby,php,python, java) as backend.

      We'd not recognise the stack as it seems to be supported on lies and bovine excrement.

      Security = not my job gov.

      Administration = not my job gov.

      Architecture = not my job gov.

      Documentation = well you get the point..

    3. deadlockvictim

      Re: Full stack developer +41% offers, +4.3% salary

      A Full-Stack developer is a programmer who thinks that the defaults in Entity Framework are OK. Every text field is NVARCHAR(MAX), every date field is DATETIME2(7), every numerical field is INT and there are GUIDS & ROWEVERSIONs scattered everywhere.

      Making a database is a developer's job. DBAs are such drama-queens.

      1. John70

        Re: Full stack developer +41% offers, +4.3% salary

        As a full stack developer I even cring at databases being created with the default settings of Entity Framework especially NVARCHAR(MAX). I prefer creating databases the right way with T-SQL.

        There's been a few colourful words while "fixing" this mess. In the end, the database performance has improved considerably.

        1. MyffyW Silver badge

          Re: Full stack developer +41% offers, +4.3% salary

          I laugh because my college flatmate, let's call him Nigel, used to bemoan the difficulty of choosing the right variable type and wished there was just one which he christened "effing-great-big-massive". Fortunately for him, and his 486sx, Borland C++ was a bit more picky...

          1. Dan 55 Silver badge

            Re: Full stack developer +41% offers, +4.3% salary

            Nowadays we have auto for that. Auto auto everywhere as far as the eye can see.

    4. TrumpSlurp the Troll

      Re: Full stack developer +41% offers, +4.3% salary

      Have sympathy for those poor unfortunates who are one box tick short of a full stack.


      Re: Full stack developer +41% offers, +4.3% salary

      Honestly in the States a Full stack developer is the short order cook, who does your pancakes...

    6. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Full stack developer +41% offers, +4.3% salary

      A full stack dev is one who had used TWO different JavaScript frameworks in their career. Senior has used three.

  2. Sgt_Oddball

    Depends on the stack...

    I've gotten on much better after I stopped massaging my ego as a full stack developer.

    By the tune of double my previous wage by just being a front end developer....

    I even got to add senior and principal to titles too.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I think what we need is more web developers...

    We need many more web developers - people who know how to scrape stuff from stack overflow and make the internet even better that it already is. The last thing we need is people who can actually program - my retirement plans positively hinge on a surplus of idiot barista web-tools and hysterically increasing property prices.

    1. Anonymous Coward

      Re: I think what we need is more web developers...

      Stack Overflow is for "senior" developers only

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: I think what we need is more web developers...

        Stack Overflow keeps senior developers working - with a lot of tutting.

        "Yes dear lad, but this code sends the credentials in plaintext."

        "Oh, does that matter?"

  4. CommanderGalaxian

    Full stack developers are gods.

    Don't you just love that you are being out-competed by those who are 100% competent in everything from UART 16650 driver development to Agile node.js Content Management systems. Or just a really dumb buzzphrase like "Full Stack Development"?

    There is a time for separating fools from their money and doing it with a clear conscience.

  5. chivo243 Silver badge

    variety is the spice of life

    I would feel trapped if I only worked at one task/department/group.

  6. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    I can't help feeling that there's always going to be an advantage in being someone who knows several areas in detail rather than overspecialising. On the one hand you have value in being possibly the only one able to connect several of those silos to work together when they they need to and on the other you're not stranded when one of the areas goes out of fashion. OTOH you do have the advantage over someone who has sketchy knowledge of everything.

    1. MyffyW Silver badge

      Being able to articulate your ideas in peer forums on the Internet is probably one of the better skills :-)

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Ah,so that would be where I went wrong then.

  7. rcxb Silver badge

    This kind of specialization happened in manufacturing decades ago. After the fallout, many companies reversed course and brought their engineering and manufacturing back together on at least a smaller scale, and then engineers with hands-on manufacturing experience became one of those specialized skills that companies are willing to pay extra for. Strange world.

    I know it's not going to work out any better in IT. Having the guys who maintain it completely separate from guys who develop it guarantees unmaintainable systems.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What do they mean by full stack?

    These days, looks to me like you need to be a specialized front-end developer to stay on top of the constantly changing UI frameworks, and deliver something which doesn't look like geocities.

    If you can do that, and also stay on top of the always-beta tools for the inevitable public cloud supposed to hold the data, then congratulations on being full-stack.

    1. Warm Braw

      Re: What do they mean by full stack?

      Similarly, what to they mean by " .NET developer"?

      There's a sizeable group of employers for whom that means ASP.NET and MVC. However it could equally be quants using C# or developing mobile apps with Xamarin.

      I always assumed a "full stack" developer was someone who used JavaScript to solve every problem,,,

  9. Snowy Silver badge

    Shame that

    For all of 2018 inflation was well over 2% even going over 3% for a couple of months.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Shame that

      Shh! Do not look at the man behind the curtain.

  10. Roq D. Kasba

    Generalist / DevOps

    It's all in a name...

  11. Bronek Kozicki

    IT person

    ... was never a job title. At best, it was a very coarse description of specific skill set.

    1. phuzz Silver badge

      Re: IT person

      Maybe not literally someone's job title, but I've had jobs where I've been introduced as "here's phuzz, they do all our IT stuff", where 'IT stuff' translated to everything from simple programming down to making sure the printer still has paper in.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What? no jokes about full stacks or full racks yet ?

    I bet fully stacked developers get more interviews.

    All for Diversity, I'm sure.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      > What? no jokes about full stacks or full racks yet ?

      Coming from a certain era, the phrase 'full stack developer' always makes me think of wrestlers.

  13. msknight

    What about infrastructure?

    That side of things seemed to be missing... or are infrastructure engineers just not changing jobs that much? Or are the only people employing hardware/networking people, the cloud houses these days?

  14. steviebuk Silver badge


    I can't take anything they say serious after giving Equifax awards year after year. Not only that but you specialise and then find everyone dumps the thing you've specialised in.

    I know a certain place that uses a piece of Low Code software. They are trying to get their staff to "specialise" in it. It's not working. The staff realise after a few months, that pretty much no one else uses said Low Code app so they can't take the knowledge with them. They then realise they are getting paid peanuts for what they do, so leave only with the experience of "doing a bit of coding" because they can't advertise the Low Code app as no one has ever heard of it.

  15. Ben1892

    Hold on, you want a back-end too?

    A full stack developer seems to be what we used to call a developer before coding meant "hack a bit of HTML" - apparently it takes a few years of your sleeves rolled up and a bit of reading to actually learn how to do it well and that is just too hard - hence, it pays a bit better, go figure?

  16. Robert D Bank

    Full Stack Developer only conjures up a vision of a person of a certain gender and generous development in the mamalian quarter at an early stage in life...sorry

    ahh sheet, someone beat me to it

  17. gcabrown

    IT bod who does a bit of everything...

    Nothing like specialising in a specific tech only to have it disappear into a cloud of dust 6 months later....

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