back to article California's politicians rush to gut internet privacy law with pro-tech giant amendments

The right for Californians to control the private data that tech companies hold on them may be undermined today at a critical committee hearing in Sacramento. The Privacy And Consumer Protection Committee will hold a special hearing on Tuesday afternoon to discuss and vote on nine proposed amendments to the California Consumer …

  1. Mark 85

    Assemblymember Wicks will continue working with stakeholders and fellow legislator to bring it back to committee in 2020,

    Stakeholder = the very companies that need regulation. So, how much money changed hands in the form of re-electoni campaign funds? Doing the right is sometimes hard, even harder when there's money and power being waved in one's face.

    1. Anonymous Coward

      "So, how much money changed hands in the form of re-election campaign funds?"

      Considering how deep those pockets are I'm sure it will be plenty enough.

      A bribe by any other name = campaign funds

      1. Drew Scriver

        2020... they bought themselves another year. And then another. And another...

        Wasn't there a plan for a ballot initiative last year for something similar to the GDPR?

        If I'm not mistaken that was pulled only because the legislature committed to creating a law that would achieve resemble that, albeit less far-reaching.

        Seems to me that ballot initiative needs to be resurrected. The ruling class is speaking, and they speak for the offending companies. The people need to listen and exercise their rights.

        If I lived in CA I'd get involved in that initiative. However, I've had many opportunities to move there and decided I do not want to raise our children there.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward


      That word, "Stakeholder" is a real shapeshifter, meaning many things to many people.

      Usually the stake in question seems to have a sharp end, so it can be hammered through the target demographic. . . .

  2. Shadow Systems

    Meteor. Sacramento. Crater.

    Total Extinction Event fantasies again.

    Fucking politicians, lobbiests, & special interest groups. Nuke 'em. Nuke 'em all...

    1. bombastic bob Silver badge

      Re: Meteor. Sacramento. Crater.

      yeah, nothing good ever comes out of the Cali-Fornicate-You state legislature. It has been described as one of THE most corrupt organizations in the world, with lobbyists ON THE FLOOR during debates so that they can be consulted before a vote is cast...

      And now that demo[n,c][R,r]ats have a >2/3 super-majority, they can legislate fee+tax increases right and left to their hearts content.. bless them!

      All said does ANY of this surprise ANYone ?? I'm not surprised in the least. what would surprise ME is if the legislature actually did anything EFFECTIVE other than whine about 'no money' and try to squeeze even MORE out of us poor schlubs while simultaneously handing out as much as they can in 'social benefiits' to those they FEEL deserve it, which usually means "buying votes with other people's money".

      1. strum

        Re: Meteor. Sacramento. Crater.

        > nothing good ever comes out of the Cali-Fornicate-You state legislature.

        Perhaps you'd like to point to a red state legislature doing a better job on privacy.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Meteor. Sacramento. Crater.

        Why the down votes? Don't like it when light is shined on the Democrats dirty dealings? Everything, EVERYTHING, Bob wrote is true. If a Republican had done this it'd be front page news and most here would be calling for their imprisonment and blaming it on Trump. The far-left loony bin that runs California is corrupt to the core. Has been for decades. It's more like living in a socialist dictatorship than a US state. Constitutional rights? Sure, as long as California says they're OK. Without that OK you get hounded and jailed or driven broke defending yourself (or both). And, of course, you're the problem and need to be dealt with. I've lived here all my life (since '60), have seen it get worse every year, and can't wait to retire and get out.

    2. Anonymous Coward

      Re: Meteor. Sacramento. Crater.

      This was completely predictable the moment Googlezon and Twatterface co-opted the privacy direct ballot proposition and asked for it to be withdrawn in favor of legislation to the same effect.

      They didn't do that because they suddenly got religion about slurping and privacy.

      The only reason they pretended to be on board with the privacy rules is because they knew they could twist and re-shape the law into whatever they wanted later on. Something they couldn't have done with a direct ballot proposition.

      This battle was lost the moment the direct ballot proposition advocates agreed to withdraw it.

      There are two teaching moments here:

      1. Be smarter than your adversary, or you're guaranteed to lose.

      2. Stop complaining about politicians being corrupt. Everyone knows they are corrupt and for sale.

      1. veti Silver badge

        Re: Meteor. Sacramento. Crater.

        What sort of ballot initiative is immune to small print?

        Politics belongs to the people who turn up. And keep turning up. Any initiative would have to be translated into specific legislation, and that would go to the party with the longest attention span.

        1. Anonymous Coward

          Re: Meteor. Sacramento. Crater.

          > Any initiative would have to be translated into specific legislation

          You need to read up on California Law. In CA, ballot box propositions do not need to be translated into legislation. If adopted at the ballot box, they become law.

  3. Vector

    I guess that means...

    ...we'll have to put this to a referendum after all.

    1. A.P. Veening Silver badge

      Re: I guess that means...

      And I suggest putting some already written legislation on the referendum: the EU GDPR

      It will need some minor tweaks like replacing European residents with Californian residents and increasing the maximum fines a bit, 10% of global revenue sounds about right after this blatant disregard of the public interest.

      1. Someone Else Silver badge

        Re: I guess that means...

        A downvote?!? bombastic bob, is that you?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I guess that means...

      As I promised before when they did this short-circuit, they really, really do not want to see me go full activist. 15 computers, more in storage, and 48 years in every bit of IT that exists. I guess they feel very, very lucky.

    3. bombastic bob Silver badge

      Re: I guess that means...

      "we'll have to put this to a referendum after all."

      until the courts overturn it. again.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: I guess that means...

        That'd be a very interesting case when brought before the 9th CCA, especially on this topic. Given recent history, even the Supremes are developing resistance to the legal arguments put forth by Big Tech. They could lose this one big.

  4. a_yank_lurker

    Bought and Sold

    So the California Donkeys are as corrupt as the Donkeys I grew up with in New Jersey and New York, who would have thought. They must be practicing for their call up the America's Native Criminal Class aka Congress.

    1. asdf

      Re: Bought and Sold

      The elephants here in Arizona are just as bad what the local electrical utility spending millions in dark money to get certain friendly corporation commissioners elected (ie their regulators). Political machines are one of the few things truly bipartisan only depending on where you live.

      1. jake Silver badge

        Re: Bought and Sold

        The whole fucking zoo is just as bad, near as I can tell.

        1. My other car WAS an IAV Stryker

          Re: Bought and Sold

          Even the RhINOs and DINOs ("[blank]-in-name-only") turn out to be the usual smelly elephants and donkeys once they pass through the muck of government.

          1. asdf

            Re: Bought and Sold

            Trump, Obama, etc the FAA still isn't ever going to stand up to any of the corporations they regulate except as an after the fact ass covering exercise when NTSB calls them out. Keep thinking the millionaire/billionaire on "your" side cares.

          2. Someone Else Silver badge

            Re: Bought and Sold

            It would seem to me that those donkeys and elephants create the muck of government....

  5. jake Silver badge

    Hey, you blithering idiots on Capitol Hill[0] ...

    Enough is enough! ... we voted you in, we WILL vote you out! This is OUR Internet, not yours, nor does it belong to the multi-billion dollar advertising companies. We know what it is for AND YOU IDIOTS CAN'T HAVE IT!

    Want you cushy job in Sacramento to continue? Vote with us, not with the likes of Google, Facebook, and Amazon. You work for US not THEM, and we will NOT forget this. Don't say I didn't warn you.

    (Sorry for the yelling, but apparently the fuckheads are stone deaf ...)

    [0] In Sacramento it's actually a flood plain, not a hill, but that's a story for another day.

  6. ma1010

    It's just more of the usual

    I live in California. We have the best legislature money can buy - and has, obviously.

    It's too bad the Democrats, which are for the people, unlike those nasty Republicans, aren't in control here in California. Oh, WAIT! The governor is a Democrat, and the Democrats have majorities in both houses of the legislature. Hmmm, can't blame this one on the Republicans, I guess. And we don't have Brexit over on this side of the Pond, so that's not to blame.

    I guess it just goes to show that, despite what they say, the spirit of bipartisanship really is still alive in California, at least when it comes to the politicians keeping their corporate masters happy.

    Government of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations shall not perish from the earth, not as long as the bribes campaign contributions continue.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: It's just more of the usual

      Get corporate money out of politics:

      wolf-pac: the solution

      1. bombastic bob Silver badge

        Re: It's just more of the usual

        "Get corporate money out of politics"

        don't forget UNIONS, too. If you're gonna get corporations out, better get the unions out.

        Real reform: any individual can contribute any amount to any candidat, and it is NOT tax deductible. No organizations, though. Just individuals.

        yeah as if THAT would ever happen... george soros and Silly Valley corporate types and other rich libs ned their tax deductible non-profit (or even for profit) corporate "giving" to continue being partially funded by taxpayers, because, "charitable"... it's a loophole, yeah.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: It's just more of the usual

          Take it a step further and make political organizations taxable entities, everything from PACs to parties. Also make them subject to the do not call list.

        2. Gerhard Mack

          Re: It's just more of the usual

          Go one step further. Cap the maximum amount. Up here we banned Corporate and Union donations and put a cap on personal donations. The result is that the elections are annoying, but not anywhere near as bad as they used to be.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: It's just more of the usual

      I had to take California history if I later wanted to get a teaching credential in this state. Big Money is why we have the initiative process in the first place. Ironically elites from exactly the same area. History and rhyming again.

  7. Trilkhai

    Correction: Jacqui Irqin represents District 44, not 4

    I was looking the Assembly members up just now, and saw that Jacqui Irwin is the representative for the 44th District...not the 4th, which is represented by Cecilia Aguiar-Curry.

  8. Trilkhai

    Contact your reps!

    Everyone from districts 24, 44, 49, or 62 (see district map here) ought to be calling, sending physical letters, etc. to their rep, making it clear that regardless of their party, you will vote against them in the next election & encourage others to do the same. Links:

    Jacqui Irwin, D-44

    Marc Berman, D-24

    Ed Chau, D-49

    Autumn Burke D-62

    1. bombastic bob Silver badge

      Re: Contact your reps!

      organizing a recall petition might be a nice message, too...

  9. SVV

    Buffy the Vampire Slayer

    After further consideration and close consultation with the vampire community, we have decided to allow all the victims of massive blood loss thrugh the neck to have the legal right to pursue an abitratration process whereby they can present a legal case for the return of each red corpuscule they allege to have lost, providing that they can prove that the lack of oxygen delivered to a particular cell was the cause of the alleged damage that the hugely important vvampire community is accused of.

  10. Anonymous Coward

    Sounds like classic Sacramento to me...

    The legislature could really use a significant Republican opposition, to keep them at least mildly honest. Right now, it is just Democratic party machine politics.

    1. imanidiot Silver badge

      Re: Sounds like classic Sacramento to me...

      Remove the "Republican" and "Democratic" from that sentence. The US doesn't have a diverse political system and Republican v. Democrat is just a thin veneer over largely exactly the same cronyism, nepotism and corruption

      1. Eddy Ito

        Re: Sounds like classic Sacramento to me...

        Sure they're largely the same but they'll oppose each other if they think they can make any advantage out of it. The trick is to convince them that there's something there.

        1. imanidiot Silver badge

          Re: Sounds like classic Sacramento to me...

          The problem is they'll oppose oneanother on ANYTHING. Even if rationally they would both agree.

  11. ecofeco Silver badge

    Fascist America?

    You have problem with Corporate Communist Capitalism©®™, comrade?

  12. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

    Who is not part of this then?

    big tech companies like Google, Facebook, and Amazon.

    Yep, Apple. They want more privacy. Tim Cook said as much yesterday.

    We can (and rightly do) slag off Apple for many, many things but they do seem to be an almost lone voice wanting more privacy.

  13. Potemkine! Silver badge

    In a democracy, such a law should be seen as an evidence. In a plutocracy, such a law would be eviscerated and left empty, too many financial interests are involved. The law wouldn't be totally removed, because it is meant as a way to distract the masses.

    So, is California a democracy or a plutocracy? We'll know soon.

    1. Eddy Ito

      Those of us currently in Cali already know the answer to that.

  14. Someone Else Silver badge


    AB 25 – authored by committee chair Ed Chau (D-49th District) [...]

    AB 846 – authored by Assemblymember Autumn Burke (D-62nd District) [...]

    AB 873 – from Jacqui Irwin (D-4th District) [...]

    AB 874 – also from Irwin [...]

    AB 1564 – from Marc Berman (D-24th District) [...]

    These people are Democrats?!? I know it's hard to be a card-carrying Republican in California, but really??? I wonder what real Democrats like Elizabeth, Eric, Pete, et al...even Bernie1 would think of these DINOs?

    1OK, so Bernie isn't a real Democrat in the strictest sense...he's an independent caucusing with Democrats. Still, as he aspires to be the Democratic Party's flag-bearer, I'd be interested on hearing him weigh in on this.

  15. Arthur Daily

    Privacy workarounds

    Privacy means you having control, and being able to revoke private information.

    Profits means having the dirt, and leverage on everything you can swipe legally

    There are in comflict, but I bet profit, and pay lobbyists what the want wins.

    Governments need more tax. The solution is to tax personal information holders, and tax thse with monopoly share.

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