back to article Oh no Xi didn't?! China's hackers nick naval tech blueprints, diddle with foreign elections to boost trade – new claim

Researchers claim to have uncovered a five-year Chinese hacking operation aimed at bolstering Beijing's naval might and trade deals to the detriment of the world's democracies and maritime hardware makers. In a report issued conveniently just in time for the RSA Security Conference in San Francisco this week, IT threat …

  1. Snake Silver badge

    And this is going to get flamed

    Yet again, the "benefit" of unencrypted TCP/IP everywhere, depending upon firewall and gateway rules, shows itself.

    I think the world would have been better off sticking with an non-routable protocol with interpretive gateways only when and where needed. Yes, Yes, it would have added overhead, but 20+ years later we're all paying, quite dearly, for the convenience with the inherent lack of security. There's more to it than that, of course, but you need to start somewhere.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    APT40?

    What's with all these APT numbers?

    They should have some function or meaning.

    Like maybe APT69 could be known for attacks by inserting two dongles on opposite ports of a PC.

    ( I'll get my coat )

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: APT40?

      They are numbered in order of discovery, this was the 40th advanced persistent threat documented.

  3. Grikath

    This strikes me as funny.

    "In pointing the finger at China, FireEye identified the industries and location of the targets – which happened to be relevant to China's naval interests – and the particular time frame of the hacking: most operations took place during China business hours. The hackers also used servers located in China, and the command and control PCs probed by the researchers all ran Chinese language settings."

    Aside from the "Every other nation would do this if they can get away with it" obviousness, this paragraph strikes me as extremely funny given the general notion the public has about hacking and nation-state intelligence operations.

    If the "group" is indeed chinese, it's not a club of nefarious wizzkids doing James Bondish stuff, but simply a bunch of civil servants clocking in and out every day, griping about the coffee and the Boss insisting on Overtime, and jockeying for that desk promotion/pension security. Almost like any other intelligence agency in the world.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: This strikes me as funny.

      So you can tell the ones doing the hacking because they have the best kit.

      Although presumably they are hacking the people with crap security so will be stealing designs for useless kit.

      1. Nick Kew
        Coat

        Re: This strikes me as funny.

        Crap security could of course also mean useless wetware. After all, it's the navy.

        Perhaps they used all those ciscohuawei backdoors.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        "will be stealing designs for useless kit."

        You can have crap IT security, and still design outstanding naval components.

        Remember that China took a very long time and spent a lot just to be able to produce good balls for ballpoint pens. The "physical" realm can be far more complex than the "virtual" one, and the technology behind even apparently simple components (but needing high-precision manufacturing or other advanced technologies) may be hard to replicate.

  4. BebopWeBop
    Joke

    IT threat watchdog FireEye claimed a group of state-backed hackers dubbed APT40 compromised manufacturers to siphon tech blueprints and intelligence that could be used to modernize China's navy

    They wanted to learn what mistakes to avoid.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Joke

      Well, they understood to avoid to buy Russian ships, it looks...

  5. saif

    Its not stealing, if both sides do it...it is sharing

    I doubt that Chinese systems are invulnerable to western hacking, it is as important to spy on allies as potential enemies. Just call it normal procedure, call it intelligence sharing; some might believe sharing makes for a more peaceful world...possibly,

  6. Ima Ballsy
    Megaphone

    Oh Frack !!!!

    "In the Navy, you can sail the 7 seas! In the Navy, you'll get hacked by the Chinese!"

    Now I can't get that damn song outta my HEAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Thankfully ..

    to the detriment of the world's democracies

    At least that no longer includes the US if Trump's as yet unchallenged activities are anything to go by, and the pushback has now started to create some interesting side effects. In the context of naval events, the Pentagon apparently discussing mothballing the Nimitz-class supercarrier USS Harry S. Truman about two decades early. Oops.

    1. martinusher Silver badge

      Re: Thankfully ..

      That reference to "the world's democracies" and the use of the term 'blueprint' are a bit of a giveaway for me that this disclosure is primarily political and probably lacks substance.

      Its not that there are legions of hackers out there probing around for whatever they can get their hands on; they're like flies, no matter how fast you swat them more seem to appear. Its what they're looking for. Typically naval blueprints are what you'd steal 100 years ago, today you're much more interested in materials and processes -- you know what such and such an item looks like but you need to know why it looks the way it does, how it enhances performance and how you can make it.

      The notion of 'democracies' being some kind of bloc of righteousness is also wearing a bit thin.

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