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i'll give it to someone American.
but seriously exactly how far ahead technically is Huawei in 5g, and if stealing was a source of some of this surely they would be behind the company they stole from.
Huawei is to sue the American government for banning federal agencies from using the Chinese giant's network equipment, according to reports stateside. "The lawsuit is due to be filed in the Eastern District of Texas, where Huawei has its American headquarters," two sources told The New York Times. The suit is allegedly due to …
"if stealing was a source of some of this surely they would be behind the company they stole from."
Unless, you know, you nick a bunch of stuff and then work from that. You don't have to replicate all of the original basic stuff, like designing a robot hand. You just steal it.
I don't understand how Huawei can sue the US government. On what basis can they do this? If they were an American company, I could see it. But not being American, I can't see how they can demand access to the US market, or recompense for being denied access.
> [ ... ] Huawei is likely to go the same way... only possibly quicker.
Huawei can sue, but they have no chance in hell of winning. It's mostly a PR move on Huawei's part.
The moment the US Government claims National Security, the Courts will defer, and that's the end of the lawsuit.
>Huawei can sue, but they have no chance in hell of winning. It's mostly a PR move on Huawei's part.
I think this suit might be a rather smart move. You have to look at the bigger picture -- the US government is openly interfering in commerce and banking to further its political interests by instituting numerous sanctions regimes against governments and individuals and expropriation of assets. Individually they might not amount to much but put together they paint a picture of an unreliable, capricious, government that won't abide by treaties, agreements or contracts. Huawei may appear to be suing over its product ban but when it loses its going to have a very powerful sales tool -- not only does our kit work and is attractively priced but you won't be left stranded because some American politician or bureaucrat in DC has a bad hair day. (Ask Norwegian about how much leaving a brand new airliner in Iran for a couple of months cost -- screwed over because of sanctions.)
As for the network security issue, Huawei had just one word on the subject -- PRISM.
Sanctions and other economic warfare tools have to be used judiciously. We in the US seem to have forgotten this, or otherwise grown so arrogant that we feel that the world has no other choice than to dance to our tune. This level of hubris is inviting disaster.
are any number of companies looking to sue the UK government for trashing their profits thanks to Brexit. Starting with the Japanese who have invested billions on the basis that the UK was in the EU.
Win or lose (and the UKs capitulation to Eurotunnel suggests an awful lot of cases being settled out of court - and the public eye) that's money that isn't going to the NHS.
Not a valid comparison. Brexit is just awful policy, if you could sue governments for awful policy most countries would be bankrupt.
In this case Huawei are right that US can't ban specifically their products only, without any more specific reason than "they're Chinese". If NSA etc have proof of pwnage or attempted such, they should demonstrate. Otherwise it's just trumpian hot air
"In this case Huawei are right that US can't ban specifically their products only, without any more specific reason than "they're Chinese". If NSA etc have proof of pwnage or attempted such, they should demonstrate. Otherwise it's just trumpian hot air"
Except here's the proof:
1) Huawei is Chinese.
2) There is a Chinese law that says Huawei has to backdoor its stuff if China wants.
3) Proved that it is a risk.
Whether the Chinese government has invoked the law is irrelevant; Huawei, and every other Chinese company, became a security risk as soon as it looked plausible that China would do such a thing. passing an explicit law saying they can definitely makes it plausible.
"2) There is a Chinese law that says Huawei has to backdoor its stuff if China wants."
Agreed and upvoted, but I'd like to add that the USA has similar laws that have already been used to 'control' electronics equipment exported to other countries, including USA allies.
IMHO the solution would consist in:
1) Forbid the import of electronic goods -either "connected" consumer electronics or data infrastructure equipment- from countries with similar laws. This way these countries would be pressed to remove such laws.
2) Even for countries that don't have similar laws, mandatory audits on electronic products, performed with government funds or by a government entities.
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Why would anyone buy a warplane (or anything else, for that matter) from the US, if they needed permission to use use it?
First time you try to fly, you will have to agree to the EULA...... Then when in the air - probably during combat, there will be an update that you can't skip and will do a reboot......
EDIT - and it will steal your data for "marketing purposes"
Brexit is just awful policy, if you could sue governments for awful policy most countries would be bankrupt.
But brexit isn't just policy, is it? I ask because I seem to remember a referendum vote of the people was held and the people voted to exit the EU.
Yes, after being told lies by the Daily Mail and its rich masters for many years, they voted by a narrow margin to jump off the cliff. Whether or not there would be a parachute was unspecified. Now it turns out that the parachute available is no good. Jump, or not jump? A hard decision, apparently.
"are any number of companies looking to sue the UK government for trashing their profits thanks to Brexit. Starting with the Japanese who have invested billions on the basis that the UK was in the EU."
Luckily, companies cannot sue on the basis of democratic choices made by the electorate. At least, not yet.
"Like all companies in China, Huawei is subject to Chinese Communist Party control at the highest levels and must submit to compelled assistance laws on espionage, forcing firms and their workers to help spies and other state employees. [b] Most western nations have similar laws.[/b]"
Just exactly which western countries have laws forcing their companies to commit or assist in espionage?
Your comment is an unfounded anti-western piece of false rhethoric. Does the author live in China
Can you provide evidence of this? I see this, but nobody has provided a link. Aside from that image of maybe-the-NSA maybe installing chips in maybe intercepted Cisco gear, is there solid evidence of Cisco, knowingly, installing backdoors in their equipment at the behest of the NSA/CIA? Or is it all speculation, just like Huawei and the CPC?
I have no doubt either company has at some point conceded to the powers at be, but regardless.
Original: "For example, it sees no problem with kidnapping foreign nationals to serve as pawns in diplomacy."
Reply: "China or America are we talking about?"
China. Definitely China. The Huawei thing is a different story where there isn't a clear difference, but I don't remember anyone being kidnapped simply to show that a Western country isn't happy. The Canadians arrest a person for which there is an extradition request. They didn't immediately extradite them, they are putting that through their legal system and are also handling the legal complaint by said person through their local legal system. Meanwhile, China takes a Canadian hostage for no reason. They did not accuse that person of a crime, they did not charge them, they were not complying with a legal request of another country in international law. One country is performing their normal legal process, the other thinks that detaining people for no reason is a legitimate diplomatic tactic. Don't support that by pretending they're the same.
Thank you. A lot of people here seem to say 'America is bad. China is bad. Therefore they are as bad as each other.' Guantanamo is a bad thing, an unhappy answer to the question 'what do you you do with dangerous people you pick up on a battlefield who aren't fighting for a particular country and therefore aren't prisoners of war?' Sticking a million Uighurs in prison for being Muslim is also bad.
But, and let's be really clear here, the Uighur concentration camp is much, much worse than Guantanamo. And if you cannot see that, you need to really think. China hasn't kidnapped a single person. They've kidnapped two so far, and sentenced a third guy to death, in an extra hearing that wasn't even legal by China's own law. So that is murder then, not execution.
So what we are saying is, if a country arrests an executive of China on receipt of a valid extradition request, and hasn't even extradited them yet, China can kidnap and threaten to murder a few of that country's nationals, and people on here will cheer them on.
Look at yourselves in the mirror. Really.
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