Not heard owt bad about Huawei, says EU Commish infosec bod The EU has not seen evidence that Huawei poses a threat to its internal markets – and says that even if it had, blocking the controversial Chinese company's products is up to EU member nations, not the political bloc. In an interview with The Register Despina Spanou, director of digital society, trust and cybersecurity within …
bringing vendors on board with the "voluntary" initiative
Compulsory will be better. A sticker will probably find itself with an almost lookalike sibling certifying, if you look carefully, that it (the sticker) was made in China. Make it illegal to sell an uncertified item in the EU. That would probably even give us a degree of herd immunity here in the UK, at least once they finish dumping all the old uncertifiable stuff.
Isn't the EU "cybercentre" in Crete? It looks they think it's an insular problem....
While I understand distributing jobs across EU, care should be also taken in assessing how to get and retain people with top skills...
It's no surprises that other entities are placed in other, more appealing places to live in, because the people working there would not accept to be sent elsewhere.
So, the US threatens the EU to stop using Huawei - a company which has offered to show its source code to govt infosecs....
Meanwhile, US routers have more NSA approved holes in them than a colander. - https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2018/08/backdoors_in_ci.html
Perhaps 5 eyes are pissed because they cant hack Huawei routers, "methinks the ladies doth protest too much!"
and El Reg calls Huawei 'controversial' - :sadface: expected more from you
There's a non-zero probability of some type of conflict between the US and/or some EU members vs China within the lifetime of Huawei telecom equipment. All they need is a way to activate a capability or force a firmware update - easy for anything that operates wirelessly like 5G base station equipment!
It doesn't have to be a direct conflict, in fact it almost certainly would not be, but rather some type of proxy war like Afghanistan (when the Russians invaded and we supported Bin Laden's resistance)
Does Cisco/Qualcomm gear have holes the NSA knows about or even put there? Almost certainly, but even in the Trump era the chances of a conflict between the US and any EU members during the lifetime of Cisco equipment is pretty small. Could the US use it to spy on them? Sure, but if you accept that you are going to be spied upon and have someone with a big red button they can press to cause havoc in your country would you rather that someone be an ally or an enemy?
>chances of a conflict between the US and any EU members during the lifetime of Cisco equipment is pretty small.
Shooty war no, trade war - less small
Might it be in the interest of a patriotic American intelligence agency that Boeing got all of Airbus's sales leads in advance, or had access to the cell phones of the negotiators in the next round of agricultural quotas.
Or it might be worth a Stuxnet type attack to shut down a gas pipeline from Russia to make sure Europe relies on the Saudis more than the Putins
Well, YES ac, the "enemy" narrative is being pushed so hard, through most "trusted" media, that those with a more realistic world view often laugh nowadays rather than immediately typing a reply to "integrity initiative" type lies.
... there is after-all freedom of speech, and though I do not agree with most of the guff that the Institute for Statecraft issues, I defend their right to form covert clusters of presumably corrupt journalists/influencers to try and tell us what to think? that's part of societal evolution, constant attacks from within and vaguely possibly from without.
I'm presumably still allowed to type this short, quick but anonymous comment back in return
[loosely related: Huawei phones seem to be on special offer this week, and France allegedly also discovered no proven risk from the Huawei cheap 5G kit, did they not get the memo either?, but some i's seemingly have a campaign to push, $$$]
"There are no compelling reasons that I can see to do business with the Chinese, so long as they have the structure in place to reach in and manipulate or spy on their customers. Those who are charging ahead blindly and embracing the Chinese technology without regard to these concerns may find themselves in a disadvantage in dealing with us."
I suppose they should be using Cisco or HP kit, which has been proven that the CIA/NSA has intercepted the latter's hardware and installed spyware in router and switch firmware and the former has patched a few dozen backdoors over the last year.
So, buy from US firms, where it is known that they have been manipulated in the past, or from a Chinese company that the US has alleged does the same thing, but can't provide any proof... Hmm, hard decision.
Who do you believe will be the biggest confrontation in the foreseeable future? US or China?
Oh well, maybe if Trump gets re-elected the answer is not so easy - but otherwise there are many good reason prefer an ally to what is very close to be an enemy and could greatly damage Westerm economies and societies. Unless you prefer the Chinese regime and pays, of course.
"Who do you believe will be the biggest confrontation in the foreseeable future? US or China?"
Why invoke the future? Let's take a look at the present. The US set the entire Middle East on fire – all based on lies and false flag operations. They are openly forcing a coup d'état in Venezuela.
The past looks just as dark. While having removed elected governments all over the world, their typical supplement were puppet fascist dictatorships.
I'd say, it's rather obvious who the real pestilence is and has been. I don't expect much to change there in the foreseeable future either.
"The past looks just as dark. While having removed elected governments all over the world, their typical supplement were puppet fascist dictatorships.
I'd say, it's rather obvious who the real pestilence is and has been. I don't expect much to change there in the foreseeable future either."
Sorry, who are we talking about here? I guess you mean the US, because you used fascist, but remove that word and you could be talking about the Soviet Union, the British Empire, the Roman Empire, Charlemagne, the Ottoman Empire, the Mongol Empire, etc.
That in the 1960s and 1970s the Chinese Han Empire was only busy slaughtering people in its own borders, rather than in other countries, shouldn't really matter too much. Once they've finished their cultural genocide of the Uighurs (1m in concentration camps, if you haven't noticed) who do they come for next?
China also has a long history of mass slaughter; just because they didn't attack places you care about, doesn't mean they won't next time.
Look up the history of the kowtow. While you are at it, you might want to look up the history of the Chinese Empire, and how it treated other countries (all other countries, not just those in its empire) for hints of what lies behind the mask. You get the odd hint of it when, as punishment for Canada following its own legal system, China kidnaps a few Canadians and decides to kill another.
Be of no doubt, if China is the new boss, it will be very different to the old boss.
Because that's what a good politician do. Think and plan about credible scenarios, not ideological silliness. Sure, US made many mistakes - and should listen more to allies. Venezuela is a dictatorship run by an idiot who run its economy into the ground and made hard for millions even to buy needed goods. Maduro is a fascist or a communist, if you prefer, as communism and fascism are just two faces of the same coin.
You can keep on pontificate from your comfortable western country and think that spitting in the dish you eat from makes you "better", or try to understand reality. Otherwise, you can also transfer to Venezuela or China... and please, change all you good currency into theirs...
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Who do you believe will be the biggest confrontation in the foreseeable future? US or China?
Given the fixed connection between the dollar and energy sales (on which rides their ability to borrow gazillions without real consequences), I predict that the Chinese renminbi will soon massively gain in prominence. This will be a direct result of Trump putting the US on a course away from sustainable, clean energy whereas the world needs the opposite, combined with the fact that China is poised to go live with energy solutions in 2019 and 2020 that, ironically, the US will endeavour to steal the IP of because all the modern development has been from within China, and you can bet that China is not going to sell this globally in dollars.
The result will be severe damage to the standing of the US and the ability to browbeat nations into holding vast dollar reserves, in effect weakening the power of the dollar and its grip on the global economy. I have a feeling someone in the US has woken up to that, but Trump can't change the BS he sells to his followers without this becoming too obvious and triggering a panic.
I am not looking forward to this, but a correction like this was rather long in coming. Trump merely speeded it up by a factor, which will bring great pleasure to Putin & friends.
You might want to start learning Mandarin, and reconsider whatever holdings you have in dollars.
IMHO, of course.
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a no-nation Bureaucrazy and its affords to make their children the ancestors of their "power" and "influence" after a possible worldwide catastrophe and shorrrtage of human presence and natural resourses supply is a threat, not nations themselves.
And - whoa, China turns off its CounterCorruption bot. Not hurrying to mark the event as Fully Informative, but...
At least the Amis don't steal copyrighted information from European companies or engage in state supported piracy, spying and hacking on the scale China does for years now.
The people claiming "not to have seen evidence that Huawei poses a threat to its internal markets" must be the great-grand children of those who failed to see the evidence that the intentions of Germany in 1939 were something else then peaceful.
I guess as long the EU can not extort billions from companies for illegal manipulation of the market, they don't care what companies do.
"So show us the evidence then."
You want evidence that China has a mass hacking programme directed towards stealing Western technology?
There you go. It only lists a few. Of course, you are likely to say "you cannot trust the victims not to lie about being victims". So now, what kind of evidence would satisfy you?
Much harder to do so when they are in a much more integrated legal system Try to sue someone in China or in the US, and tell me where you can hope to achieve something...
II can't understand why people instead of flocking to US or Europe don't flock to China by the millions, to live in such paradise....
"...At least the Amis don't steal copyrighted information from European companies or engage in state supported piracy, spying and hacking on the scale China does for years now...."
How soon we forget:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/08/nsa-tapped-german-chancellery-decades-wikileaks-claims-merkel
At least the Amis don't steal copyrighted information from European companies or engage in state supported piracy, spying and hacking on the scale China does for years now.
Well, let's just say you chose your handle well. Do you really think the planet has been seeded with fort-like US embassies, bristling like a porcupine with aerials for the good of others? Why exactly do you think the 5 Eyes alliance even exists?
To be honest, I'm more inclined to believe the Chinese these days if I had to make a choice. At least they don't pretend to be anything they're not. If BS could be converted into dollars, the US would not have trillion dollar deficits..
If BS could be converted into dollars, the US would not have trillion dollar deficits.. ..... Anonymous Coward
Hmmmm? The fact then that they have monumental catastrophic debts and deficits is proof positive BS doesn't convert into dollars and become a prize asset? ..... http://www.theusdebtclock.com
Will someone please tell the Gringos and dodgy markets players. They don't appear to realise their problem.
It is well known that China does this - they often even copy the bugs and other shortcomings the copying is so complete!
The US government spies because they think they deserve to know what everyone else is thinking/doing, including their allies. No one can credibly argue the US doesn't spy on its allies after the leaks of the past decade demonstrated. They even spy on US companies/citizens (as Snowden exposed) but this is a one way street. The information they collect on what foreign companies are developing is not getting fed back to US companies for corporate advantage the way it does in China.
What the US doesn't do is sponsor state paid hackers to break into Huawei and Xiaomi servers to steal their plans and technologies to feed them to US companies like Apple, but Chinese state sponsored hackers would very much would like to break into Apple's servers to learn about their future plans and technologies, and if they did they would give that information to Chinese companies like Huawei and Xiaomi.
What the US doesn't do is sponsor state paid hackers to break into Huawei and Xiaomi servers to steal their plans and technologies to feed them to US companies like Apple, but Chinese state sponsored hackers would very much would like to break into Apple's servers to learn about their future plans and technologies, and if they did they would give that information to Chinese companies like Huawei and Xiaomi. ..... DougS
There's two states that would benefit from a change of hearts and application direction.
The US to sponsor and the Chinese to supply future plans and technologies to the likes of Apple servers.
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Those who are charging ahead blindly and embracing the Chinese technology without regard to these concerns may find themselves in a disadvantage in dealing with us."
The challenge for the US is to Enhance the States of those charging ahead blithely and embracing the Chinese technology with every regard to all concerns.
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[quote]"There are no compelling reasons that I can see to do business with the Chinese, so long as they have the structure in place to reach in and manipulate or spy on their customers. Those who are charging ahead blindly and embracing the Chinese technology without regard to these concerns may find themselves in a disadvantage in dealing with us."[/quote]
You could change Chinese to any other country and it is just as valid!
Mike Pompeo warned U.S. allies on Monday against deploying equipment from Chinese telecoms gear manufacturer Huawei on their soil, saying it would make it more difficult for Washington to "partner alongside them".[Reuters, today]So let no-one pretend that the anti-Huawei campaign is non-political. It's a blatant attempt to distort free competition to protect US industry. "Partnering" with the USA looks less and less like a good idea these days.
I, mostly, agree with you. But let's not forget that this problem largely arises from the greed of big business and easily bought members of government. No country should give up it's ability to manufacture and no country should buy from another that has no respect for human rights and allows big business to pay its employees something toward zero. I was suggesting of course China but I guess that will have to include the US or at least "right to work" States within the US.
The Maersk attack can be viewed as a proof of concept https://www.wired.com/story/notpetya-cyberattack-ukraine-russia-code-crashed-the-world/
If it were propagated through root compromised enterprise routers, it would have been orders of magnitude worse.
"There are no compelling reasons that I can see to do business with the Chinese, so long as they have the structure in place to reach in and manipulate or spy on their customers. Those who are charging ahead blindly and embracing the Chinese technology without regard to these concerns may find themselves in a disadvantage in dealing with us."
<satirequote>"But we don't mind loads of our other tech being made in China. Like Apple phones because it's not possible for the Chinese to sneak spy chips into those at all. Or gain access to the firmware to install a rootkit. No, that's not possible. We just must crush Huawei as we can't have competition because it will disadvantage our paid for friends, I mean international and local friends".</endsatirequote>
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