Re: "There isnt? So you wouldnt advocate rejoining the EU?"
@John Smith 19
"Then you could have asked. You still sound like a troll."
Basic english lesson for you. That character at the end is called a question mark and denotes the end of a question. My question I did ask- "So you wouldnt advocate rejoining the EU?"
"I "advocated" not leaving in the first place"
Which is not on the table. So assuming democracy we leave the EU (voted for 2-0). So after that point would you be advocating joining the EU? I ask this question because it would be joining with no opt outs. Accept the EU in all its glory, no opt outs, the Euro currency, all of it.
"You wanted to leave, now you're asking about re-joining"
Ha troll. I am for leave. But you claim to want us in the EU. Democratically we have decided to leave. So I want to know if you would want to join the EU project without opt outs. I want to know because it sounds like you only want to be in the EU if we have opt outs. Which leads to an interesting discussion.
"And while we're at it who pushed hardest for all the East European countries to join the EU with full travel rights? That would the UK"
And that would be the UK gov of wanting to be in the EU. If you dont like it blame the UK gov who wanted to be in the project and our 'say' was being used to promote these countries into the EU. We want out.
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Thanks for all those data-flow warnings, UK.gov. Now let's talk about your own Brexit prep. Yep, just as we thought
John Smith 19
Re: "There isnt? So you wouldnt advocate rejoining the EU?"
" am trying to get a simple answer out of you. "
Then you could have asked. You still sound like a troll.
I "advocated" not leaving in the first place. I'll advocate another position when and if the UK leaves. So far what we've seen is the Brexit equivalent of the "phony war" of 1939. The real s**tstorm hasn't even started.
"Yes. And even with opt outs we voted to leave and so we leave. "
When enough floating voters had been spoon fed bu***hit by Aggregate IQ working for the Leave campaign, while a substantial portion of the UK electorate thought the answer so obvious they didn't see the point in wasting there time to vote. Something I think would change in a second referendum if "Cancel Leave" was an option.
"But if the EU is so fabulous then rejoining even without opt outs should be enough? Why shouldnt we commit to the glorious project? Why do we need the opt outs?"
Save the sneering tone for Margaret Thatcher. She negotiated most of them. You wanted to leave, now you're asking about re-joining. Why don't you go away and have a little think about what you want?
"That's a lot of hysterical bull and the CIA is American."
Well done on being able to identify where the CIA is based, but why don't we look at some of those ads
"Albania, Macedonia, Serbia, Montenegro and Turkey are joining the EU!
WTF? In how many centuries? And while we're at it who pushed hardest for all the East European countries to join the EU with full travel rights? That would the UK, continuing to try to play "Divide-and-rule" in the 21st century.
That has nothing to do with my comment and you may dislike such propaganda (I dislike it) but both remain and leave official campaigns were just as bad.
"According to the EU the Euro is the only currency in 19 member states.
The last time I did maths 28-19 = 9 states that are in the EU but don't have the Euro. Sounding not quite mandatory, is it not?"
That kinda sounds like your being purposefully ignorant but your beliefs might actually be that wrong. The mandatory part of the Euro is only 2 (UK and Denmark) have opt outs for the currency. The others have to move toward joining it, its mandatory. Please tell me you can understand that or you might be a lost cause.
"Who cares? Without frictionless trade across the UK/EU border it's status is f**ked, which might explain why 100s of Bn of Euros were transferred recently out of the City of London to offices still within the EU, like Dublin and Frankfurt."
And others have been waiting for the fall of London for a long time. They are still waiting. You think those Euros mean we are losing the City of London? That bypasses the rules of the EU with a few poxy brass plates on offices that already exist. Thats why it pissed of Junker.
"By right wing Aholes everywhere. Starting to sound like a bit of a troll again."
Aww I get the bad feeling your an extreme lefty. Anyone to the right of them is a right wing Ahole, and SJW really is a derogatory term due to the abuse carried out in its name.
"Not able to answer the statement, so you answer a different one"
Actually I avoided pointing out to you that you were defending the EU taking sovereignty over countries, out of politeness. Put bluntly the EU is an interfering micromanaging monster and I prefer we do take back our sovereignty because at least we can vote for our leadership.
"And by extension is vastly bigger than the UK on its own."
Exactly. We both agree the world is bigger than the EU and by extension vastly bigger than the UK. That supports my point.
"So if the UK gets a "small" say in EU matters it will have a very small say in relating to any bigger entity."
This is the discussion I was having with someone else about having to have power over others. We are in NATO, UN and the WTO so we have plenty say in bigger entities and more relevant entities than the EU. But since trade is a cooperative and mutually beneficial effort the world being bigger than the EU is why we are better off dealing with the world.
"A financial center that's on the wrong side of a tariff wall with the worlds 2nd largest currency?"
Actually with a failing currency. One that got so close to deflation while barely existing for any length of time in its first recession. And if they want it to be an international reserve currency then piping it through the global financial centres is a benefit. Up to them if they want to cut themselves off from that but then its not much use.
"When the delusional aholes who voted Leave did so most of them seemed to be thinking fondly, not of the UK (as it is) but the UK + The British Empire"
Really? On odd occasion Empire is brought up by a leaver, but regularly by remainers. But the remainers then use the empire arguments for being in the EU, as if their thoughts are of being part of the empire. Its an odd situation I find that the very elements leavers are accused of seem to reflect the very traits the remainers push to remain.