what PAY!, never going to buy an OS ever.
and no i didnt have to pay for my legal windows OS either
well i lied, i did pay for slackware 3.1 a few hundred yrs ago
The Windows Subsystem for Linux has begun to attract the attention of custom distributions with the arrival of Debian-based WLinux in the Microsoft Store. Put together by open-source startup Whitewater Foundry, the WSL-optimised distribution is aimed at developers and pro users with a bunch of popular development tools such as …
Quite so. I started using Linux seriously about six years ago, dual booting with Windows at first. I then found, after a couple of months, that I was preferentially booting into Linux almost all the time. I now run a Linux host with Win 7 in VirtualBox, which I sometimes use to open and convert old Corel Draw files.
But run Linux under a Win host? What on earth for? "You cannot be serious!"
Icon because Big Brother is NOT watching me.
"But run Linux under a Win host? What on earth for?
Really cannot imagine what purpose this could serve ..."
I can't give exact specifics, as I am neither a linux expert nor a developer, but I just did a Win 10 1803 image creation project for a software development firm and they asked for WSL to be included as part of the build. I was told the developers wanted to be able to run bash scripts rather than having to figure out PowerShell, but as I said I don't know the specifics of what the scripts were for.
I also know a few pen-testers who use WSL with Kali, although not all of the tools will run under WSL.
... which is controversial for any Linux distro. Luckily the price is small enough to put it under "support a developer with pizza and few beers" label, so no big deal. During installation you are expected to create a user with "sudo" rights. The installer will add WLinux icon to "Universal Applications", which is standard Windows console. You are automatically logged into the user you have created when you launch this console. I had some difficulty figuring out the selection of available packages until I checked the content of /etc/apt/sources.list - there is mostly Debian stable, with the addition of apt.patrickwu.ml . The fact that this domain is owned by "Mali Dili B.V. " with only a postbox in Netherlands, who apparently owns 227 more domains under .ml is potentially a security issue. Yet need to check this in GitHub WLinux wiki.
As for X11, I tried sublime text 3 with vcxsrv and it "just worked" although I had to add "export DISPLAY=:5" to ~/.profile (my display is not the default :0).
which is controversial for any Linux distro.
Back before fast internet, it was common for distributions to sell distribution CD:s. Some distros (like Mandrake) even provided nice shrinkwrapped carton packages like other software vendors. I bought some CD sets like that, still have most of them, in the hope they become collectibles...
> it was common for distributions to sell distribution CD:s. Some distros (like Mandrake) even provided nice shrinkwrapped carton packages like other software vendors
Aye, I won a SuSE linux box set from my local LUG. I'm not sure what happened to it though; "borrowed" probably.
...at my first job, having booted the CD on a Windows box in order to get access to whatever sensible command line tools the installer offered instead (we had other *nix machines locally, just not on personal desks so much), it informed me that only half the drive had been partitioned. So I let it install there. Fortunately my productivity rocketed; it might have been a different story otherwise...
>> it was common for distributions to sell distribution CD:s. Some distros (like Mandrake) even provided nice shrinkwrapped carton packages like other software vendors
> Aye, I won a SuSE linux box set from my local LUG. I'm not sure what happened to it though; "borrowed" probably.
Hehehe, I bought both. SuSE came with big "Bible", all what you ever need (then) about installing Linux to your PC. YaST was great, but I liked Mandrake more.
Actually, most of comments above are like I wrote it myself. Windows at VirtualBox, of course (and why the hell the opposite?); no dual-booting for decade. I didn't turned on my Win10 PC for almost a year. Now it scares me, with all those updates that waits to hug me...
Personally, Mint rulez. Old good MATE. Respect to other flavors, of course.
You might not, but Microsoft are hoping people who might have experimented with Linux will do it this way, rather than setting up a dual boot system (which may result in Windows never being booted again!)
And if the user gets it running well enough, why would you even consider installing a native Linux distro.
Microsoft is Embracing Linux. The rest will follow!
This is useful if you want to run Linux without "pretend Windows" (i.e. systemd), because you have the real thing instead.
WSL is impressive, and undoubtedly useful for some people but I struggle to see how you can call it 'the real thing' when it doesn't even use the Linux kernel.
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Open source developer develops a hobbled Linux distro that runs only on Microsoft Windows.
And expects to be rewarded for the effort.
He should have pulled a Bill Gates and sold Microsoft a copy of Debian Linux. But then the OS dude's mother is not on the Board of Directors of Microsoft.
The only use for this that I can think of would be to start tinkering around with Linux equivalents of Windows-only software until ether the code or the user are good enough to just use straight Linux (Or at least Linux + Wine).
So really, pretty much a reverse Wine (LINE?). So pretty much use the subsystem as the first step to transition, then when more than 50% of time is spent with applications running under emulated Linux, then its time to go to a Linux base with Wine to run the remaining Windows-only crud, then slowly go to a pure Linux.
“What it lacks in the file-sharing functionality of the Hyper-V Ubuntu approach it makes up for in seamless windowing”
You do know you can point *nix programs at a Windows X Server from a Hyper-V machine, another machine on the same network, or indeed another machine in a different continent? It’s not a benefit of WSL.
Corp hands me a Windows laptop. Therefore I install Cygwin/X and Windows is just a window manager. WSL is useful when I want to test a real *nix instead of Cygwin's "almost". I don't know, it seemed to me X11 was downright trivial.
'startx' (in Cygwin or other Windows Xserver) with '-listen tcp'
From Windows or Cygwin, '<Xprogram> [--display ...]'
For WSL to access the Xserver do either of:
'xhost +localhost' in the context of the Xserver
inside WSL 'ln -s /mnt/c/Users/<username>/.Xauthority'
Then you can inside WSL
<Xprogram> --display localhost:#
absolutely NOTHING special needed. I'm not opposed to someone wanting to get "paid" for putting in some effort but frankly this barely merits postcard-ware or has everyone really forgotten how to do *basic* X11 commands?
VirtualBox has had seamless mode for years. In seamless mode, Linux app windows appear on the Windows desktop just like native Windows apps. No need to download anything from an app store, plus runs on any version of Windows, including Home and Windows 7. Of course, you can run any flavor of Linux (or BSD or ...). In short, I don't see the selling point of WSL. I guess if you have a version of Windows 10 that already has it, then why not. Other than that, meh...
"WSL-optimised distribution is aimed at developers and pro users with a bunch of popular development tools"
"Of course, the source is available for free for those unafraid of build tools."
So basically it's free for their entire planned user base. Though I guess they might make money from lazy developer types. Wait ... good business plan after all.
The only appeal I can see to WSL for anyone, those users sat behind businesses with terribly unpermissive IT; to the point that they can't get a VM or a blank machine to install distro of choice. That feels like a pretty limited user base if you ask me.
Having failed to destroy Linux on reputation, MS are now adopting their classic Embrace and Assimilate strategy. Anyone with the will and need to learn Linux will absolutely prefer the real thing. Why continue to support the monster when you don't have to?
(I'll let you off if you still play games on Windows, that's all it's good for, and then, Win7 is still my preference!)
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And yes, that does highlight an Already NEUKlearer HyperRadioProACTive Program Proposing AI Union with Uncle Sams in Direction of Further Forward Future Travel with Virtual Space Realisations.
And, .... Most Definitively Fox Murdoch Disney Territory ..... for Dambusting Gate Crashers .... RAF 617 Squadron Types AI Atypical and Surreally Unusual in Stealthy Modes of Engagement for Secure Core Source Enrichment.
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"Using X410 as a Windows X client" - nope, X410 is the (display) server.
Anyways, I don't get the fuss either. I have been using the (paid version of the) Xming X11 server, on the Ubuntu WSL side it was just a matter of `export DISPLAY=localhost:0`. The only fiddling I remember was having to drop some preferred fonts (Source Code Pro) in the right spot.
Still, the dealbreaker for me is disk speed. Compiling larger stuff is just not working - if they fix that, I'd seriously think about making Win10 my main OS given that Linux laptop support is still shaky at best.
Barnes expects users to pay for downloading his work from the Microsoft Store, which will prove controversial in the Linux world.
Nothing wrong with that, as long as the source is there. Red Hat are doing OK with charging money.
It's still Friday night, and what better excuse is there for a beer?
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