"Mangler" is also a real word and can usually be substituted for "Manager"
User fired IT support company for a 'typo' that was actually a real word
Welcome once more to On-Call, The Register’s weekly reader-contributed story of tech support trauma. On-Call dipped into its mailbag in the hope of finding an Easter story, but found a cracking Christmas story sent by chap named “Peter”. “An irate customer called me on Christmas Eve, incandescent that a letter had gone to a …
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Thursday 29th March 2018 13:01 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: If you get a bit twitchy ....
There's a French version of this. A French bird watcher was asked how he kept the records of all the birds he'd seen. As he was rather proud of being up to date he meant to say "Sur mon ordinateur" (computer) but actually said "Ornidateur".
Which was a happy accident because "Ornidateur" consists of the greek root "orni-" (about birds) and "dateur", which would be a French machine for storing data.
Also, the version of the Humphrey Littleton story I heard was that the question he was asked was "Are you something of an orthinologist, thus his later realising that he should have said "No, I'm not a word botcher."
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Thursday 29th March 2018 11:56 GMT NBCanuck
Re: If you get a bit twitchy ....
"Orthinology - word botching. Be sure to allow it in your spillchucking dictionary."
My internal spell-checker (brain) misread that as "Ornithology".
People are over reliant on spell-checkers. I always re-read important emails before they go out. Sometimes my brain thinks one word but gets overwritten by muscle memory into similar other words. Not that I am an incredibly fast typist, it's just that my fingers sometimes seem to be trying to predict what I want to type before I compete the thought.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 07:47 GMT Dave 126
Google's GBoard accepts Mangle* immediately, but if I type Mange (an undesirable canine condition I believe, but then I'm not a Venetian**) and then space without pausing it substitutes Manage.
*"We haven't laughed that much since... aunty Mabel caught her left tit in the mangle." Though I believe with modern spin driers the word Mangle is more commonly used as a verb these days.
** Or a vetinarian.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 09:34 GMT Empty1
Re: One of my spall chuckers ...
Eye halve a spelling chequer
It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.
Eye strike a quay and type a word
And weight four it two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.
As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
Its really ever wrong.
Eye have run this poem threw it
I am shore your pleased two no
Its letter perfect in it's weigh
My chequer tolled me sew.
(Sauce unknown)
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Thursday 29th March 2018 09:40 GMT jake
Re: One of my spall chuckers ...
(Sauce knot unknown ... and the hole thing.)
Owed to a Spell Checker (AKA "Candidate for a Pullet Surprise")
I have a spelling checker,
It came with my PC.
It plane lee marks four my revue
Miss steaks aye can knot sea.
Eye ran this poem threw it,
Your sure reel glad two no.
Its vary polished in it's weigh.
My checker tolled me sew.
A checker is a bless sing,
It freeze yew lodes of thyme.
It helps me right awl stiles two reed,
And aides me when eye rime.
Each frays come posed up on my screen
Eye trussed too bee a joule.
The checker pours o'er every word
To cheque sum spelling rule.
Bee fore a veiling checker's
Hour spelling mite decline,
And if we're lacks oar have a laps,
We wood bee maid too wine.
Butt now bee cause my spelling
Is checked with such grate flare,
Their are know fault's with in my cite,
Of nun eye am a wear.
Now spelling does knot phase me,
It does knot bring a tier.
My pay purrs awl due glad den
With wrapped word's fare as hear.
To rite with care is quite a feet
Of witch won should bee proud,
And wee mussed dew the best wee can,
Sew flaw's are knot aloud.
Sow ewe can sea why aye dew prays
Such soft wear four pea seas,
And why eye brake in two averse
Buy righting want too pleas.
-Mark Eckman and Jerrold H. Zar, early 1990s
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Thursday 29th March 2018 11:36 GMT Nick Ryan
Re: One of my spall chuckers ...
Your first mistake is thinking there is a worthwhile date worth celebrating called "St. Patricia's Day" or "St. Burger's Day". No wonder your Speel Chuckler was trying to change it: Paddy not Patty
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Thursday 29th March 2018 08:56 GMT JimboSmith
My boss at the time had written a letter to someone saying that we were ending our relationship with them. The letter was passed to a lawyer for checking that it was airtight and the other person would be able to have nothing more to do with us. Boss was mildly annoyed that the letter had come back with spelling (and grammar) corrections. I pointed out that for the money we were paying it was good that all the autocorrect misspellings had been fixed..What was funny was after the letter was delivered to the recipient the boss received a call immediately. They were pleading for the relationship not to be dissolved and promising to improve things but by then it was too late, way too late.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 07:17 GMT John H Woods
I thought I'd seen it all with awkward customers but this prospective buyer of a blanket takes some beating.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 23:32 GMT Sam Therapy
Had a similar experience with someone wanting me to design a half page newspaper ad. I have a set of fixed prices for drawn artwork, depending on size and whether it's colour or mono. Guy wouldn't listen and kept trying to bargain me down. I told him I didn't need the work but if he was set on me doing it for him, he'd have to pay my rates, no exceptions.
Eventually he gave up and went somewhere else. Paid double my rates and got a much smaller ad.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 07:32 GMT Dave 126
Validation Vs verification
A spell checker can only check that a word is valid, it cannot verify that it is the word you want. Well, it can be programmed to know that some words tend to follow others (i.e 'would have' and not 'would of') but bringing these things to the user's attention can irritate them, much like the green squiggly lines in MS Word.
The Google keyboard for Android will often substitute a correctly typed rare word for the note common word it *thinks* you want. If you type the word 'manger' and quickly press space, it will substitute the more commonly used word 'manager', but if you pause for half a second before pressing space then it will keep 'manger'.
It's a bit smarter than the classic T9 "are you coming down the sub for a riot?" *pub *pint.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 10:05 GMT Flocke Kroes
Re: T9 collisions
If you do not want to take any arcs from Microsoft's new fanned terms of service, you can safely take the pips and call someone a coal staler. Thus puppy pictures can enlarge you cell foe, topper. Take that, Microsoft dual gold echinus. (Sorry, I had to resort to /usr/share/dict/british-english-insane for that last one.)
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Thursday 29th March 2018 13:37 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: sub for a riot
that sex is what they carry the coal in
Ah, cue the old James Young jokes from NI.
Reporter in Cullybackey: "Tell me, Madam, what do you do about sex?"
"About sex? We usually have oor tay about sex."
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"What's a crèche? "
"A car accident in Cherryvalley" (posh bit of S. Belfast, pronounced as Cherryvelly)
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Thursday 29th March 2018 10:51 GMT Steve Evans
Re: sub for a riot
T9 was even worse for Vodka drinkers ... Smirnoff usually came out as poisonff
It came out as "poisoned", which amused my Polish friends no end!
(They class their Wodka as the original, and the Russian stuff just paint-stripper for alcoholics).
There is no V in Wodka ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNKiPaYwyZQ
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Thursday 29th March 2018 10:33 GMT smudge
Re: Validation Vs verification
Many, many years ago, a colleague was heading off abroad, and wanted to send a telex to say when he'd be arriving. Last line of his message was "Put the wine in the fridge and the pizza in the oven.". He handwrote the message and passed it over to the telex operator.
The clent was a bit bemused to receive a message which said "PUT THE URINE IN THE FRIDGE..."
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Friday 30th March 2018 22:40 GMT Glenturret Single Malt
Re: Validation Vs verification
My PhD thesis contained many mentions of cobalt carbonyl, Co2(CO)8 (don't know how to do subscripts here) and numerous others with combinations of capital C + lower case o and Capital C + capital O. In those far-off days, one hired a typist to do a professional job. Lots of fun was had proofreading the first draft of the typed version.
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Sunday 1st April 2018 08:15 GMT TRT
Re: Validation Vs verification
People are fascinated by the BS Proofreader's Marks chart I have on my office wall. I rescued it from my last job in a print training place - found a load in an old store room. I don't think many people in scientific publishing now realise it was a job people had and how regulated it was, with a language all of its own.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 13:37 GMT TRT
Re: Validation Vs verification
I've often thought that date sanity checking would be a valuable addition to spelling and grammar checking tools. The number of times I've had documents and emails coming through with days and dates not matching... e.g.
Your vehicle's annual service falls due on Wednesday 29th March 2018. To maintain your warranty... Yes, you've simply incremented the year by one on last year's letter, you muppet. Do you mean Thursday 29th March, or Wednesday 28th March? Don't make me guess! Or...
See you next Monday (the 3rd), then. So, do you mean April the 2nd (next Monday), April the 3rd (it's a Tuesday), or do I wait until September, which is the next time that Monday falls on the 3rd?
A simple sanity check for dates would save so much grief!
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Thursday 29th March 2018 16:42 GMT DJSpuddyLizard
Re: Validation Vs verification
A simple sanity check for dates would save so much grief!
Yes it would. For a job years ago I wrote a VB.Net tool to archive data and images to optical disk for sale to the public. I soon learned that when it blew up, it was probably because some government user managed to write something like "Feb 29 2005" . My solution was to assume they meant the last day of February.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 17:31 GMT Anonymous Coward
Smartphone keyboards
They are a big improvement over T9, but you still see odd behavior. I love that I can type utter gibberish for a longer word and get the right one since it is able to narrow down what I meant by nearby keys, but it seems like every couple months it forgets I swear a lot and starts autocorrecting fucking to ducking a few times before it gives up and lets me type what I want for the next couple months.
No one ever means to type 'ducking'...
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Friday 30th March 2018 03:10 GMT the Jim bloke
Re: Validation Vs verification
There was a writer churning out stories for amazon, apparently completing books in a couple of days - was entertaining for the first few but lost its appeal pretty quickly..
anyway, his vampiric elder could avoid all threats of harm by becoming "insolvent"
Never realised bankruptcy was that potent..
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Monday 2nd April 2018 14:52 GMT gnasher729
Re: Validation Vs verification
Spelling checkers especially for mobile devices can also figure out that you meant the letter to the left or right that you actually used (and accept what would be a ridiculous misspelling). The could, but I haven't found that yet, figure out that although a word is spelled correctly, it isn't used very much, and ask something like "are you sure about this" (wth a definition what the word you typed means).
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Thursday 29th March 2018 08:10 GMT jake
Contrary to popular belief, the customer is not always right.
Firing customers who are a more of a pain in the ass than they are worth is one of the truly great joys of being self employed.
About three times per year, or thereabouts, I quite literally use the phrase "you're fired" to a client of mine, or of the wife[0]. Frankly, I quite enjoy it. The look on their face when they realize I am dead serious is priceless.
[0] She's a softy, so I draw this detail by default.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 10:52 GMT Amos1
Re: Contrary to popular belief, the customer is not always right.
"If a third party can fuck up enough business relationships to close down a company, that company is doing something fundamentally wrong."
Never heard of "the cloud", eh?
When you decide to outsource critical business functions to save money (which is never as much as promised) you have outsourced the future of your business.
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Friday 30th March 2018 00:37 GMT Charles 9
Re: Contrary to popular belief, the customer is not always right.
"If a third party can fuck up enough business relationships to close down a company, that company is doing something fundamentally wrong."
Or the customers are fundamentally wrong, and if you lack a choice in the matter, you take what you're given, only they were more interested in leeching. Trust me, it's like trying to stay afloat in a Section 8 neighborhood.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 09:25 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Contrary to popular belief, the customer is not always right.
How would the other customers of yours have the context to judge whether it was long overdue, if you hadn't been sharing details of your+their activities?
That's a pretty huge red flag to me, if someone I expect to have a professional relationship with starts breaching confidentiality and telling me horror stories about other clients...
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Thursday 29th March 2018 09:33 GMT jake
Re: Contrary to popular belief, the customer is not always right.
"How would the other customers of yours have the context"
One portion of my life involves the gossip-ridden Silly Con Valley. You can't sneeze at IBM's Almaden facility without getting a telephone call from a start-up in Petaluma asking if you're alright.
The other part is an awful lot like living in a barn. Probably because it is living in a barn.
The long and short of it is that most of our clients knew each other long before they became our clients. In fact, I have been warned in advance about most of the clients that I've eventually fired ...
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Thursday 29th March 2018 11:00 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: How you go about it.
It's how you go about it. If the customer bad mouths you, and they literally are asking your butchers company to provide kids kites, and the rest of the customer know this when they complain, then yes... the rest of the customer quietly say nothing to the nutters,
If you scream at them because they constantly asked for discounts? Then you'll loose customers.
Sometimes there are quiet and simple ways to move the customer on ("We don't support MacOS here anymore" as an example ;) ).
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Thursday 29th March 2018 08:46 GMT Dave 126
Re: "Mangers feature prominently in the Christmas story"
It's not unheated as such. Whilst I'm no expert on the specific vernacular architecture of the period in Bethlehem, there's at least a couple of factors that might be at play:
- Thick adobe walls absorb heat during the day and radiate it at night
- Animals give off heat. In alpine regions people often lived directly above the animals for this reason
-Straw is a good thermal insulator
As a Californian and an animal owner, I'm sure you already know these things. We can assume that the good people of Bethlem in that period were not stupid either.
As regards the lack of a door, I think we can chalk that down to artistic licence, much as a child's text book shows a ship or factory in cross-section. If we don't want to be that simple, we can take a few hours to go over the history of Christian art - starting with the observation that early Christianity shared the same ideas about not representing figures in general and God in particular as Judaism did, and it took the arrival of Christianity in Europe and the adoption for this to change. Be it the complexion of the human subjects, or the foodstuffs depicted in the image, most paintings of Christian themes say more about the artist's culture than they do about the Bible scene in question.
You'll probably enjoy a giggle at depictions caused by iffy translations from Hebrew too, such as Michelangelo putting a pair of horns on the head of Moses.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 08:56 GMT jake
Re: "Mangers feature prominently in the Christmas story"
Dave, they wouldn't have been traveling in that part of the world at that time of the year to begin with. The entire story is a fabrication, designed to play off of existing Solstice ritual and sucker the rubes. Thus my laughing at today's unthinking masses.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 21:06 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: "Mangers feature prominently in the Christmas story"
"And frankly, that's the first time I've ever heard Wall Street and Madison Avenue accused of being "Christian"."
In this context (white dudes on LHS of the Atlantic) "Christian" means "not Muslim". To get more specific: "not Muslim, probably not Jewish (but sometimes they're ok), not those strange eastern religions, oh, and not Catholic if you're including Mexicans, cause, you know"
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Friday 30th March 2018 08:24 GMT jake
Re: "Mangers feature prominently in the Christmas story"
"In this context (white dudes on LHS of the Atlantic) "Christian" means "not Muslim"."
Not this white dude on the LHS of the Atlantic. To me, "christian" means "deluded idiot, just like any other denomination of god-botherer". I'm fairly certain that every white dude that I've come in contact with in the last month or so is in agreement. Christianity is a minority around here. A very vocal one perhaps, but a minority nonetheless. And shrinking, thankfully.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 10:12 GMT katrinab
Re: "Mangers feature prominently in the Christmas story"
"Next you'll be telling me that Santa couldn't visit all the children in one night."
Indeed I will. In most countries in the world, children are not visited by a North Poll-dwelling Santa on Christmas Eve / Early Christmas Morning.
In most countries, Santa visits on St Nicholas Day (6th December), and someone else delivers Christmas Presents, or they don't celebrate Christmas, and the main present-giving day is on a completely different date.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 09:32 GMT Dave 126
Re: "Mangers feature prominently in the Christmas story"
> The entire story is a fabrication, designed to play off of existing Solstice ritual and sucker the rubes. Thus my laughing at today's unthinking masses.
In England we do have some unthinking, but not as much of it is inspired by the Christian sects as it is in the USA, if conversations between Douglas Adams and the Humanist Association of America are a guide. Indeed, many of our English non-conformist Christian sects were also political in nature, formed in times when the political and the religious vocabularies were harder to separate. Rather than ubthinkingly conforming to the political orthodoxy, they were actively taking a stand.
The Church of England is generally considered to fairly low down on the nutter scale.
That said, phrases such as 'unwashed masses' have been used within priesthoods for millennia, so just be careful now!
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Thursday 29th March 2018 12:32 GMT Dave 126
Re: "Mangers feature prominently in the Christmas story"
> Strange. When did this turn into a UK vs. USA conversation?
When you made a reference to the great unthinking, unwashed religious masses I thought it would might help to clarify that the same isn't as true on this side of the pond. It wasn't meant as a dig, just an observation. Indeed, the differences in religious attitude twixt the UK and the US are social and political in nature. For much of European history the Catholic church was a huge power structure, and thus talking about political, social and diplomatic relations outside of that context is meaningless. In the UK we don't take Christianity too seriously because our prominent flavor came about from Henry the VIII's desire to get what he wanted - it was a geopolitical move.
When other posters here, and the likes of the Unitarian and creator of the Simpsons Matt Groening, say many of us are in a Christian culture they mean we are the inheritors of European history and so called Enlightenment, as opposed to holding, for example, a Confucian world outlook.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 12:32 GMT defiler
Re: "Mangers feature prominently in the Christmas story"
Strange. When did this turn into a UK vs. USA conversation?
Jake, you've been around here long enough to know that the answer is "every Friday" and "every Thursday before a holiday Friday".
Also, most Mondays and some Tuesdays. Wednesdays you're probably safe. Saturday/Sunday you've probably got something better to do. :)
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Thursday 29th March 2018 09:47 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: "Mangers feature prominently in the Christmas story"
"The Church of England is generally considered to fairly low down on the nutter scale."
The CofE has its Evangelist and Anglo-Catholic factions who want to impose their religious dogma on civil law.
My cousin is married to a vicar - who in the 1960s was one of the more trendy types. She is appalled that I am an atheist - and said that she couldn't countenance any of her many children being atheists.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 10:53 GMT A K Stiles
Re: "Mangers feature prominently in the Christmas story"
"My cousin is married to a vicar - who in the 1960s was one of the more trendy types. She is appalled that I am an atheist - and said that she couldn't countenance any of her many children being atheists."
Friends had their child christened/baptised/whatever the catholic equivalent is. Mother was born and raised by a fairly ardent catholic mother, father a somewhat uninterested atheist. My (atheist) wife and the mother's notionally catholic brother (one of them *HAS* to be a catholic apparently) were named as god-parents and when it cam to the bit about renouncing and casting out satan (satin / santa?) and all his works, 3 of the 4 voices could only be heard to utter "mhmhmmm hmmhabbm m ms tm emem".
During the post ceremony gathering (in a pub) the brother freely admitted to having actually said "Mumble mumble mumble" because "who has time for all that crap?"
Kid's father apparently mostly went along with the whole thing for an easy life and because he'd had to promise to christen any kids when they'd got married in the same catholic church - so he wasn't prepared to break any of his wedding vows.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 12:27 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: "Mangers feature prominently in the Christmas story"
Kid's father apparently mostly went along with the whole thing for an easy life
Google "Pascal's wager" (yep, that Pascal).
Kid may thank him later. When I got married my wife wanted a church wedding, which would only have been possible if I had been christened/baptised. Just as well I was, as a baby, since going through it as an adult would have been way too hypocritical for my athiest adult self.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 11:01 GMT Peter2
Re: "Mangers feature prominently in the Christmas story"
The CofE has its Evangelist and Anglo-Catholic factions who want to impose their religious dogma on civil law.
Which is actually less of a problem in the UK than in the US. I think it helps that we just give seats in the house of lords to religious leaders (25 out of 797 seats) so they can have their say directly, which eliminates the need to persuade politicans to represent the church in politics.
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Friday 30th March 2018 13:00 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: "Mangers feature prominently in the Christmas story"
"which eliminates the need to persuade politicans to represent the church in politics."
More even than that; it ensures that the HoL contains a number of experts on religion, which encourages politicians to keep their traps shut for fear of having their ignorance exposed.
And none of our bishops are likely to describe black people as "monkeys" or let anyone get away with prosperity gospel nonsense. Though in principle I think there should be no places in Parliament reserved for religions, in practice the CofE is about the least worst option.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 09:41 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: "Mangers feature prominently in the Christmas story"
"[...] most paintings of Christian themes say more about the artist's culture than they do about the Bible scene in question."
Jacob Epstein's sculpture of Christ was the subject of a hate campaign by sections of the English Press. In particular "The Catholic Herald" objected to the features being of "an Asiatic Jew".
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Thursday 29th March 2018 11:39 GMT Flocke Kroes
Re: my mistake
"It was not winter. Shepherds were out in the fields with sheep. People were travelling. Where does it say it was winter?"
My mistake, I thought Jesus being born on the same day has Santa meant it had to be Winter. I forgot that allowing for continental drift Bethlehem used to be in New Zealand.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 12:11 GMT katrinab
Re: my mistake
St Nicholas (Santa) was born on 15th March.
Nowhere in the bible does it say that Jesus was born on 25th December. 25th December was a pagan mid-winter festival that was rebranded as Christmas because the missionaries figured that telling people to stop celebrating it wouldn't be very popular.
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Sunday 1st April 2018 19:11 GMT jake
Re: my mistake
The solstices (summer and winter) were/are festival times for the group of people often lumped together as "pagans". The early Christians appropriated them, and wove the dates into their own mythology. As they did with the equinoxes. And the quarter days. And anything else they could do to separate the rubes from their money.
Now if you'll pardon me, the position of the sun tells me lunch is over and I need to get on with the spring planting.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 12:28 GMT Just Enough
Re: "Mangers feature prominently in the Christmas story"
I more puzzled about what context exactly can the word "manger" appear in a letter, and "manager" be substituted in and still make sense?
Are we to assume that this picky customer had no problem with a letter saying "Away in a manager, no crib for a bed", as long as it was spelt correctly?
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Thursday 29th March 2018 19:11 GMT Mark 85
Re: "Mangers feature prominently in the Christmas story"
I more puzzled about what context exactly can the word "manger" appear in a letter, and "manager" be substituted in and still make sense?
Are we to assume that this picky customer had no problem with a letter saying "Away in a manager, no crib for a bed", as long as it was spelt correctly?
The customer made two mistakes. The first was trusting spellcheck. The second was not proofreading the document or having someone in the office proofread it for them.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 16:05 GMT Mage
Re: surviving a snowy night
It was most likely October, probably feast of Succot (Tabernacles) based on Elisabeth's pregnancy and when her husband would have been serving in the Temple. John the Baptist's parents. Though passover matches the schedule too, however John's Gospel and other aspects suggest Succot. Late December was a Roman invention over 300 years later.
Where does it say there was no door?
Also shepherds do not watch sheep in the field in December either. Though it's not that cold at the end of December in Bethlehem.
Also snow is very rare there. The snow is an invention for Christmas cards.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 08:25 GMT Tiggrrr42
Names....
An older version of Word's spellwrecker once tried to tell me that a Mr Dixon was actually a Mr Dioxin, which seemed a little harsh, even though he was a manger.
Then there was the version which had the delightful spelling "liase" marked as correct, leading to a load of people thinking it had to be right.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 10:29 GMT Anonymous Coward
Which is better: EMACS or VI?
Horses for courses ..
Change MM/DD/YYYY to YYYY-MM-DD
EMACS: M-x replace-regexp: \([0-9][0-9]\)/\([0-9][0-9]\)/\(20[0-9][0-9]\) with: \3-\1-\2
VI: F*** that, use AWK or SED
Still cracks me up that EMACS was "Eight Megabytes and Constantly Swapping" --- that dates it
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Thursday 29th March 2018 20:28 GMT jake
Re: Which is better: EMACS or VI?
"that dates it"
Strangely enough, vi and EMACS were both born in early 1976. I know both very well, and have contributed code to both in the past. I use vi almost exclusively. If I want an EMACS-like editor, I just use TECO with my custom macro set (as Stallman intended before his head got too big).
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Tuesday 3rd April 2018 12:26 GMT onefang
Re: Which is better: EMACS or VI?
I've used far too many text editors in my lengthy career. There was a time when my job involved using what ever text editor that happened to be installed on the computer I was using at the time, which often meant half a dozen different editors in a single day. From that time I have my hard and fast text editor rule. If it's not easy enough to figure it out from the moment you start using it how to do really basic editing stuff (move cursor, insert text, delete text, save, exit) then it's a complete failure. Both emacs and vi fail that test. Nano passes.
I have memorised one vi command though, coz it does tend to pop up unexpectedly every now and then -
killall -TERM vi
These days the very first thing I do for any new computer, if possible, is install mc (Midnight Commander). Usually easy to do on any Linux computer, and even my Mac and Windows boxen have it. It's also on my Android phone. mcedit works fine, passes my test, and mc works OK as an IDE.
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Tuesday 3rd April 2018 18:05 GMT jake
Re: Which is better: EMACS or VI?
Clearly, onefang has only used Linux (and perhaps BSD) in his/er "lengthy career". killall on (e.g.) Solaris or AIX doesn't do what s/he might expect, nor is it a vi command ... And as a side-note, who takes a club to squish mosquitoes? There is no need to kill (pkill, killall, whatever) normally running processes. Simply shut them down gracefully, less chance of collateral damage.
Also, as a sysadmin I have several hard and fast rules for my text editor. One of those is the ability to execute a shell command while editing a file. vi and EMACS make that easy. Nano? Forget it. There are many other reasons power users use power tools.
mc has it's place, and I use it occasionally, but it's not an IDE by any stretch. One wonders how it is you would know the intricacies of mc, and yet find vi to be a bother ...
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Thursday 29th March 2018 11:56 GMT BinkyTheMagicPaperclip
Re: Away in a manager
It's Friday, so I'll bite. Vi, always vi.
I'm not a particular fan of emacs, it really is terribly unfriendly, but even if I accept that emacs can do more exciting regex work I'd still choose vi. vi is installed on pretty much every Unix system, emacs isn't. vi is often actually vim, which has shedloads of functionality. Works fine on Windows, too.
I'm prepared to be convinced, but vim has managed almost everything I've thrown at it so far.
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Sunday 1st April 2018 06:49 GMT jake
Re: Away in a manager
Come to think of it, somebody out in userland is bound to run across this thread when searching for a version of vi to run on a PDP11 (or emulator). For old versions (dating back as far as ex-1.1 in 1BSD), you could do a lot worse than poke around in the archives at tuhs.org. For a more modern take, try nvi. 4bsd at tuhs has an early version, but the nvi homepage is https://sites.google.com/a/bostic.com/keithbostic/vi/ ... all of these should compile on a PDP11 without difficulty.
Hopefully this is useful to somebody, somewhere, someday.
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Friday 30th March 2018 13:09 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Away in a manager - not just English
The name Carol derives from a Slavonic word meaning "King". The Russian Chief Designer's name (Sergei Korolёv) makes him Mr. King. A number of Eastern Europeans kings were confusingly named Karol, thus making them King King.
How it became a female name I have no idea - the feminine equivalent is Karolёva.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 09:01 GMT JakeMS
Spell Checkers...
... Are an assjistance and should not be relied upon.
They're mainly there to help you in the case you actually dunt know how to spell it.
You should still proof read your work and check speling manually (even if with spell checker)
This is why I always turn autocorrect off.
Clearly this person did not check their document manually before sending (but seemingly checked it after?
Can't really blame the tech here.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 10:38 GMT Chairman of the Bored
If I wrote spill chuckers...
...or perhaps decent macro viruses what I would do to advance humanity is use the tools to help my fellow man.
My goal to is to seek out and destroy euphemisms. Euphemisms prevent clear understanding of issues and I believe allow weak-minded managlers to avoid internalizing responsibility for their mistakes.
Based off whatever passes for my career, the following substitutions will be made:
Negative patient care outcome > patient died
This is only a representative sample of the data > I'm lying my ass off
Departure from controlled flight > plane crashed
Controlled flight into terrain > pilot fscked up
Radical departure from structural integrity > it broke, badly
Some minor program transients > contract gone, abandon ship
This employee requires a bit more time for training > village idiot
You're being made redundant > hey, business is slow and I need as much cash as I can scrounge for my own blow habit, so see ya.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 11:22 GMT Commswonk
Re: If I wrote spill chuckers...
Negative patient care outcome > patient died
ISTR seeing that in one of Michael Bond's Monsieur Pamplemousse books, along with
Patient failed to achieve his wellness potential. Its meaning is much the same.
I wish I could remember exactly which book it was, because I would enjoy reading it again.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 11:40 GMT JeffyPoooh
Your FIRED !!!!
'...with a spelling mistake,”Peter told us.' = missing space between the quote mark and Peter.
'...desired word – “Manager” -being mangled...' = one hyphen, then a dash without space.
And yes, the word "you're" is spelled incorrectly because this is the internet, and that's how we... ...role.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 12:08 GMT Anonymous Coward
Dangers of OCR and spellcheckers
I have found a couple of errors with OCR misreading letters and creating words that pass the spell check.
For example the letters c and l together form a d, so you get dick instead of click (Double dick on the mouse button). Also r and n can form a m. "So nursey*, if you want to send out this document stating that the patient has a large bum instead of a large burn, go ahead!"
* I work for NHS
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Thursday 29th March 2018 15:59 GMT Solo Owl
Re: Dangers of OCR and spellcheckers
Why blame OCR? Too many fonts have inadequate spacing between letters. To me, burn looks like bum and click looks like dick. I have to rely on the context. I wish font devs would improve things.
Also, periods, commas, and colons often disappear into the screen or paper. On high DPI, they need to be bigger than one pixel.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 23:51 GMT Doctor Syntax
Re: Dangers of OCR and spellcheckers
"They have done. They call them serifs"
What really puzzles me about OCR failings is the ability to read variable-pitch fonts just fine (or at least as fine as OCR can manage) and then fail completely on what I'd expect to be the easier option, monospaced typescript.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 12:14 GMT Hans Neeson-Bumpsadese
It's annoying enough when an incorrect word gets through because spellcheck recognises it - it's worse when spellchecker recognises obscenities and allows them through. Due to the proximity of the 'f' and 'g' keys, I once wrote a specification that stated that all data would "be buggered upon receipt and then passed to the relevant component for processing"....no red flags from spellcheck for that, unfortunately.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 15:42 GMT Anonymous Coward
The best change from Outlook 2003 to the one after it (2012? I forget) was that it's spell checker turned "inconvienience" [there's an extra i after the v] into "inconvenience" not "incontinence."
I know my terribly-spelling self apologised "for the incontinence" more than once before they fixed that.
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Thursday 29th March 2018 20:00 GMT Anonymous Coward
Massaging
"User massaging service" - wasn't that Monty Python? "And now here is a massage from the Swedish Prime MInister"?
A company I used to work for once sent a letter to a prospective client we were hoping to land a large contract with, that was supposed to say "we are second to none in this field". Due to a typo and lack of proof reading it was sent out saying "we are second to one in this field". Fortunately the client saw the funny side and after asking us who that one was, did actually employ us!
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Friday 30th March 2018 07:49 GMT Scorchio!!
A moment of bliss
I managed a moderately large (now defunct) west end courier company years back. We had some very obstreperous customers, and the situation became very difficult when one of our number was crushed by a truck and died, never regaining consciousness.
These are the sorts of moment when morale drops, and with ugly synchrony one of the customers started behaving badly (very big shoe company in the East End); it was Xmas and the delay times (traffic) were long, there was nothing we could do about this, but she was screeching and squawking at us with even more than her usual vituperation; my controller looked at me and said "we'll have to sack her you know". Feeling uncomfortable I made the appointment in what was a quite clear and polite middle class accent, saying we ought to discuss our status.
I rode around there on my very noisy 1000cc bike, wearing a full set of leathers, face adorned by a huge beard, walked in and saw the woman sitting there, looking very uncomfortable, not least because I'd parked The Beast underneath her window. I told her that, under the circumstances, we couldn't continue to service her account and I recommended her to a friend's company. He took the custom. I was delighted for him. I was elated; my first sacking.
A couple of weeks later my friend started to give me odd looks in the pub, and told me he wasn't talking to me. He had a lopsided smile on his face, because he didn't know whether to laugh or cry; she started putting out large amounts of work and hassle in equal measure.
It was a relief to lose her, much like the early morning dump. We never saw them again, but my friend did talk to me again My software reminds of my dead friend/colleague once a year. RIP.
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Friday 30th March 2018 09:42 GMT ICPurvis47
Typists' mistakes
A long time ago, when we used to use Dictaphones to dictate our documents and then send them to the typing pool for typing up and posting, one of the engineers was dictating a specification for an electric train controller. The controller was used to regulate the amount of electrical current through the traction motors by switching in or out different amounts of resistance, a technique known as "Notching Up". What he said was "The controller must pass 1000 amps on the first notch", but what the typist heard and subsequently wrote was "The controller must pass 1000 Amps on the first of March".
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Monday 2nd April 2018 16:22 GMT Anonymous Coward
Spell Checkers, been there, seen that ...
I remember my son, when learning to write, would use spellings so far off, tha the spell checker would find totally different words.
I was once in a tech support position for famous fax software which had an integrated spell checker and received a letter of complaint from one of our customers that was so badly written you literally had to read it aloud, often trying different possible pronunciations for some syllables, to understand what the guy had written ... he was complaining that the spellchecker was not working. We replied that we were working on a spell checker with artificial intelligence but that the PC computers of the day were not powerful enough to run it ... this was 2001 ...
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Friday 30th March 2018 12:53 GMT russmichaels
Re: "The former policy wonk -
I have fired a few over the years.
We had this one guy who was incredibly rude every time he called, and it got to the point that no member of staff wanted to speak with him anymore. So we told reception to refuse to put any calls through unless he sent us a written apology and agreed to stop being rude, and to simply hang up on him if he continued to be rude to them. He refused to apologise and continued being rude, so his number was blacklisted.
He was not a direct customer, but rather a web developer (who was still running sites on MSAccess no less) who managed several client accounts. We had to contact those clients and inform them of our decision to blacklist their web developer and that they would have to contact us directly.
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Friday 30th March 2018 21:33 GMT The Oncoming Scorn
Re: "The former policy wonk -
Not so much fired, but a council member decided to park in our loading bay at Somerset County Council, one of my colleagues politely asked her to move as it was a loading bay & lots of equipment was coming out & her car could get damaged.
30 minutes later his contract was terminated with extreme prejudice - This did not go down well with the rest of us.
Two weeks later I was assigned a ticket to investigate her laptop (HDD failure or something), I refused & said this should go to one of the permy staffers as they could not get dismissed like I would if she took some form of umbrage at being told her data was gone or the ticket was not being treated as urgent enough.
All the permies & contractors to a man refused to handle her ticket & in the end the workshop manager was eventually tasked with her laptop issue.
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Monday 2nd April 2018 16:14 GMT Anonymous Coward
Peeing files ?
I was hired by a Dutch company and in charge of a contract with a Dutch third party ... my Dutch was really poor and I was hoping Outlook spell checker was going to save me ...
I wanted to write "I put the file on the server" so wrote Ik heb het bestand op je server geplaast. instead of Ik heb het bestand op je server geplaatst.. That missing t made the difference as Outlook stripped an "a" and it became geplast which means urinated.
Minutes later my manager was in the office, I had handily cc'd him ... no harm, I was allowed to write in English from then on.