Will the defendant please rise? Utah State Bar hunts for sender of topless email The Utah State Bar in America is investigating how a picture of a topless woman appeared in an email sent to all its members earlier this week. There was little to alert lawyers about what they were about to see when the email, titled "2018 Spring Convention Walk-Ins Welcome! Learn How!", popped up in inboxes. Those who did …
It's a bar association, not a college frat. There's such a thing as professionalism.
There's also such a thing as young female lawyers, who've been dealing with years of borderline demeaning and harassment from senior partners, and I've no doubt the bar association wants to be seen as a place where they don't have to put up with that kind of bullshit.
If I want to see tits on my computer, I'll do my own search thankyousomuch. I don't want you or anyone else emailing them to me. Particularly not disguised as a message from a professional association.
@veti - "It's a bar association, not a college frat"
Yes, so they were correct in their first response, to say it was "inappropriate" and investigate. There is nothing "offensive" about breasts, and "horrified" is an extreme reaction so priggish seems a fair description of the association.
"If I want to see tits on my computer, I'll do my own search thankyousomuch. I don't want you or anyone else emailing them to me. Particularly not disguised as a message from a professional association."
As a member of the British Computer Society can I please just say that I really don't mind if they send me an email showing a pair of tits.
They're only breasts, people, 50% of the world has them, we shouldn't be getting that shocked. Let's move on.....
Surprise! a feminist trying to make something out of nothing.
No I am not "offended" nor should anyone be. Is it illegal or immoral for a man to find a female body attractive? We forget sometimes that we are animals, programmed to pro-create. I'm not going to apologise for my hard-wired instincts. Nor are they going to go away. I treat women with absolute care and respect, but like the majority of blokes I'm not going to get upset if I see a pair of tits.
I also find the feminist stance sometimes a little hypocritical when you see women drooling over pictures of men with six packs, doing body shots in clubs, etc but then complaining about objectification of women in the next breath....
" also find the feminist stance sometimes a little hypocritical when you see women drooling over pictures of men with six packs, doing body shots in clubs, etc but then complaining about objectification of women in the next breath...."
Do you really ? because its hardly objectification to the same level , and its probably not the same "feminists" you saw previously.
And whats a body shot?
Do you really ? because its hardly objectification to the same level , and its probably not the same "feminists" you saw previously.
And whats a body shot?
Am I the only poster thinking you should have determines the answer to that question BEFORE deciding its not objectification to the same level?
I happen to agree that it isn't, but that's because I know what a body shot is.
No , you're not the only poster , that did in fact cross my mind just after I wrote it.
I decided a "body shot " must be in the same ballpark as "drooling over pictures of men with six packs"
and therefore low level objectification, not Weinstein territory.
Can you let me know what a body shot is now? I'm not sure its something i should google at work :)
@Can you let me know what a body shot is now? I'm not sure its something i should google at work :)
Tequila shots usually, with a wedge of lime and salt.
Normal process, is someone else holds the lime wedge in their mouth, facing out, and has salt somewhere on their body, such as stomach or neck, (or places of a more intimate nature). If using the neck, the person could be standing, but lying down is the normal process.
You then lick the salt off their body, down the shot, and then with your mouth, take the lime from their mouth.
Ah happy days, that are now far too far behind me :-/
Normal process, is someone else holds the lime wedge in their mouth, facing out, and has salt somewhere on their body, such as stomach or neck, (or places of a more intimate nature). If using the neck, the person could be standing, but lying down is the normal process.
You then lick the salt off their body, down the shot, and then with your mouth, take the lime from their mouth.
In Sweden the shot is often poured onto a body part of some type which it then runs off into the mouth of the drinker.
@Stephen Wilkinson
> Sadly I'm no longer a Member of the British Computer Society, I'm now a Member of the BCS, The Chartered Institute for IT :(
And not a member of the considerably more prestigious Worshipful Company of Information Technologists? Perhaps you don't qualify for their membership, which "is open to IT leaders and practitioners, entrepreneurs, technologists in diverse fields, academics and those working in other areas with a strong IT or digital or technology connection such as management, finance, accountancy, law, health, HR, marketing and other disciplines!
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Or would they all be secretly downloading it?
Probably the latter. 15 years or so ago was a Utah case against a DVD/VHS rental which offered porn amidst other things so some idiot neighbor tried to close it down for outraging common decency.
The shop lawyer (himself a devout Mormon) pulled stats for pay-per-view porn on cable and satellite networks and they showed Utah to be the highest consumer per capita in the USA. So the case flopped.
I assure you that millions of Americans would be happy to see the email in question, though it's hardly anything we haven't seen before. Tits AND guns, now *that's* America.
We used to think you English were the prude ones. Less than 20 years ago, and I have anecdotes to back this up. Ah, perhaps they're a bit too personal for the internet.
the problem isn't fear of tits, but rather, the implication that showing tits have: (alleged) bad male behavior. Too many men have been castrated by radical feminism and are afraid to be themselves.
As for me: left paren, dot, Y, dot, right paren
Think about it: It's fun to follow the women's movement while watching from behind. And when normal male behavior is classified as "toxic masculinity", you KNOW there's gonna be a BACKLASH!
But, apparently, they're not amused by the prank over at the Utah bar association. Getting all self-righteous over it is actually what the prankster would WANT to happen. So it was a successful prank.
"It's even more fun to watch women moving from in front, easier to see their tits."
Yeah, I guess I'm an ass-man... And like I always like to say around time when the breast cancer charities are asking for money to cure breast cancer: A boob is a terrible thing to waste! So yeah, definitely cure THAT!
"I'm not going to explain how to spoof but it's how Krazy Kevin did a lot of his mailing list attacks back in the 1990s."
I will explain one thing:
No passwords needed. No special hacking techniques. Just an ordinary mail client and you can do it from anywhere, not needing to "break in" to any particular server.
There is NO concept of security in email systems. There _may_ be security protocols in place for accessing any given server but the entire setup is wide open to abuse at its core. Everything we've attempted in the last 25 years to deal with this has been a kludge sitting on top of the fundamental problem. All you need to know to breach access into almost every mailing list on the planet is the right way to type your name.
Well, if they linked to an external image hosted on a server outside their control, it's entirely possible that the image stored on the server was... altered to be more entertaining than what was there.
Back when hosting companies charged for bandwidth usage, I was rather irked that some foole was hotlinking to images on my server rather excessively. So, I replaced it with a suitably different image and moved the original to a new file name. (While it wasn't risque or X rated, it was a picture of a colon. because 'maturity, I've heard of it.' )
That it is considered offensive is interesting in a way. I am an equalitarian rather than a feminist but it seems to me that is picture of a woman's chest is considered offensive then that is just outright sexist, and indeed suggests a patriarchy (something I normally do not believe in). Whether they should appear in a professional publication (without purpose) is a seperate matter.
"Inappropriate" might be a valid term but "offensive"? That should seldom, if ever, be the case.
-Oh no a pair of breasts. Really? How friggin priggish are these people ?
- There is nothing "offensive" about breasts, and "horrified" is an extreme reaction
-I really don't mind if they send me an email showing a pair of tits.
-They're only breasts, people, 50% of the world has them
-but like the majority of blokes I'm not going to get upset if I see a pair of tits.
Y'all be fine with a reputable professional body sending you dic pics then i guess?
“Y'all be fine with a reputable professional body sending you dic pics then i guess?”
Actually no, but then I wouldn’t be OK with a female crotch shot either...
My take on the whole “what’s all the fuss about breasts?” sub-conversation is that breasts are not genitalia and that the extent to which society sexualises them (to the point that women breast feeding children in public is considered A Thing when there’s nothing remotely titillating about it) really is ridiculous and makes us all collectively look a bit bloody silly.
@ Jonathon Green:
"that the extent to which society sexualises them"
This is one of the primary issues in a large portion of the western world.
However, that said, society is where it is, and the mix of a professional bar association sending the image in an email blast, the overall moralism of society, and the ethical and possibly legal implications, not to mention that social media campaigns have incredible range of affect, I rather expect that the 'horrified' adjective is used in the context of horrified by what is about to land on our asses, rather than horrified that we sent a picture of a pair of breasts.
Somehow, I see someone being sacrificed on the alter of social media in fairly short order.
100% of the population has breasts. Just look down - you have nipples. Essentially men have breast tissue as well as women.
I love seeing Tits in my garden. They feed on nuts and sing every morning. The picture had breasts of a fuller nature on display and should not be sent on a mailing list due to the possibility of a minor seeing such a mail and asking awkward questions or causing offence.
The filth merchants and misogynistic muppets love provoking a response so really chaps and ladies, do stop biting the bait.
"100% of the population has breasts. Just look down - you have nipples. Essentially men have breast tissue as well as women.
... The picture had breasts of a fuller nature on display and should not be sent on a mailing list due to the possibility of a minor seeing such a mail and asking awkward questions or causing offence."
Coz it's a proven scientific fact that some time between the time they stopped breast-feeding, and the age they become a legal adult in their country (age differs in different countries coz reasons) minors have bad reactions to seeing naked womens breasts. Bad reactions they don't have to seemingly identical mens breasts. It's science I tells ya! Here's the proof ... er wait a minute ... I'm sure I had it around here somewhere ... damn, must be magic then. Magic. It works, bitches! Though only if it's sufficiently advanced magic.
NURSE! Think I need my dried frog pills. No, not the sciency ones, the magicy ones.
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