Oooh, clever..
To avoid any further humiliation, we'll write our own rules.
Now why doesn't that surprise me?
You can yacht be serious: Larry might be planning his own version of America’s Cup
Oracle CTO Larry Ellison is reportedly launching his own world boat racing title – just months after his team was spanked at this year’s America’s Cup. According to yachting commentator Rob Mundle, Ellison is planning a world series with events held across the world. In a report on his website based on what he described as " …
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Friday 20th October 2017 14:55 GMT Kurt Meyer
Re: Oooh, clever..
@ AC
"For a similar reason that no other countries compete in your "World Series"! "
Ah, the wisdom of the anonymous cowards free to post anytime, anywhere, and on any subect they please.
Knowledge of the subject under discussion not required.
The Toronto Blue Jays - back-to-back World Series champions in 1992 and 1993.
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Sunday 22nd October 2017 20:01 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Oooh, clever..
"Knowledge of the subject under discussion not required.
The Toronto Blue Jays - back-to-back World Series champions in 1992 and 1993."
It said compete - i.e. in the present tense. I believe since those 2 years it has been US teams only?
The point being made which obviously went straight over your head is that it's called the "World Series" for reasons other than where it takes place or who takes part - Just like the Americas Cup!
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Monday 23rd October 2017 13:55 GMT Kurt Meyer
Re: Oooh, clever..
@ AC
"For a similar reason that no other countries compete in your "World Series"! "
The Toronto Blue Jays - back-to-back World Series champions in 1992 and 1993.
"It said compete - i.e. in the present tense. I believe since those 2 years it has been US teams only?"
Changing the terms of your argument after it is shown to be incorrect?
Good job.
In fact, prior to the Blue Jays winning the title, it was US teams only. So what?
The Blue Jays have competed for the title of World Series champions every year since they were founded 40 years ago. They have only won the competition twice, as was pointed out to you in my previous post.
They are, in fact, the second Canadian team to compete for that title. The Montreal Expos also competed for 35 years before they moved from Montreal.
That the Blue Jays have only been champions in the two years mentioned, and the Expos never won the title, doesn't change the fact that both teams competed to do so.
Using your "present tense" argument will you also claim that England have not competed for the World Cup since 1966?
As dire as the performance of the Three Lions has been for the last 50 years, they have competed, however brief their participation.
"The point being made which obviously went straight over your head is that it's called the "World Series" for reasons other than where it takes place or who takes part - Just like the Americas Cup!"
I'm not missing any point. I am addressing your earlier claim, which is shown to be wrong.
Are you going to stand by your original contention that "no other countries compete in your "World Series" "?
Rather than accepting the correction, you have since added a further qualifier, and then gone on to a completely separate statement regarding the name of the competition, neither of which is germane to, or supportive of, your original statement.
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Wednesday 25th October 2017 01:11 GMT Kurt Meyer
Re: Oooh, clever..
@ AC
"Competed is past tense. England will compete this time because unlike the US they qualified..."
Is that supposed to be a shot? A dig? A none too subtle jab?
I'll briefly return to baseball to describe it as:
A swing and a miss.
Now back to football. This may surprise you, but I was, and continue to be, thrilled that the ridiculously styled "USMNT" failed to qualify out of their wretchedly weak group.
The chants of "USA! USA!! US... Oh!" were, and still are, music to my ears.
I despise "soccer" as it is currently, and for the foreseeable future, presented in the US. I have no interest in MLS, and very little in the amateur game over here.
It is the world game, and I resent the American attempts to reshape it into another version, or variety, of the sports already established here.
I follow European football, and have done so since the days of my youth. I think it much more entertaining than the North American sports. The same holds true for motorsport.
So, like England, the side I follow, and support, and cheer for, and have for almost 50 years, did qualify, and will be in Russia next summer.
I understand they're coming to England to play a friendly against the Three Lions at Wembley on the 10th of November.
It should be an exciting match.
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Thursday 19th October 2017 14:22 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: toys out of pram?
"It's named after the schooner that won the first race, not the country."
... and the first race was round the Isle of Wight when local boat owners challenged the visiting US schooner. When told that the US boat had won Queen Vicrotia is reputed to have asked who came second but was informed "ma'am, there is no second place"
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Thursday 19th October 2017 12:49 GMT Anonymous Coward
"I’m going to build my own theme park. With blackjack. And hookers."
> Marching off taking your bat, ball and stumps with you doesn't work so well when all the other players also have full sets of equipment.
Depends on how devious he's been.
The America's cup is a race between the previous winner and one challenger. All the races prior to this are the Louis Vuitton cup races.
If Larry has convinced them to support him instead (rather than as well as) then he's just pulled the funding out from under the America's cup qualifiers.
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Thursday 19th October 2017 19:11 GMT Youngone
Re: "I’m going to build my own theme park. With blackjack. And hookers."
I really hope he's pulled the funding out from under the America's Cup, because as a New Zealand taxpayer I'm sick and tired of paying for these rich people to go off sailing.
I would like nothing more than for the whole thing to go away.
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Friday 20th October 2017 14:40 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: "I’m going to build my own theme park. With blackjack. And hookers."
"I really hope he's pulled the funding out from under the America's Cup, because as a New Zealand taxpayer I'm sick and tired of paying for these rich people to go off sailing."
So if he is funding it, how are you as a taxpayer paying for it?
Also bear in mind an event like this brings in tens of millions to the local economy - so even if you are funding it to a limited degree, it's probably a net benefit...
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Thursday 19th October 2017 12:48 GMT fishman
The next Americas Cup
Whoever has the cup can change the rules. The Kiwis and their poodle have decided to go back to monohulls instead of catamarans. This change has caused some teams from the last cup to not go for the next one.
Larry was using the Americas Cup as leverage to build a world series of yacht racing. So it's not like he is doing it in revenge - he's just continuing what he had been doing before Team Oracle lost the cup.
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Thursday 19th October 2017 12:49 GMT Ben1892
The funny thing is that as winner of the last 3 cups Larry did get to write the rules, as such, the Kiwis can now re-write the rules and indeed have. They are getting rid of the inshore racing with 60 mph foiling multi-hulls and going back to yawn-inducing displacement monohull yachts, out in the middle of nowhere - not exactly a spectator sport and therefore will be difficult to find sponsors to pay for it. There are teams that have invested in the current AC World Series format and essentially have to throw that away all that R&D and start again with sponsors that are now getting itchy feet.
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Tuesday 24th October 2017 15:17 GMT fishman
Sorry, I should have been more specific - I mean big BALLASTED monohulls. Even if you minimize the ballast weight by using canting keels, you will end up with a much heavier boat than a foiling cat.
Moths are pretty cool. But their ballast is in a highly mobile person, and with the racks you get the leverage and the boat is light. The boat and rig is about 30Kg, and the crew is about 70Kg or so.
Sadly I'm not agile enough to sail a foiling Moth - the best I've been able to do is sail a 505 with a spinnaker up singlehanded.
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Thursday 19th October 2017 16:20 GMT Uberseehandel
There are already more boats provisionally entered for the America's Cup regatta in Auckland, than Ellison attracted to any of his AC regattas.
The new boats may be monohulls, but they will be foiling monohulls, not displacement boats.
Ben1892, you are trash talking an event you no nothing about.
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Thursday 19th October 2017 12:52 GMT Marc 13
Might have to be careful with a name... there's already a World Cup Series of sailing
http://www.sailing.org/worldcup/home.php
Still, I guess there will be a license involved to take part... you must have a license for each Tiller (steering wheel) used by your team... BUT Just having one Tiller does not mean 1 license, if you have 3 test boats that you *could* use that Tiller on, you must also license those boats too...
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Thursday 19th October 2017 14:48 GMT Alister
Re: Left hand down a bit!
Whilst doing a quick google to explore nautical terms I could use to extend this plethora of puns, I was stopped in my tracks by the following definition:
- A signalman who prepares and flies flag hoists.
How very apt, I thought.
Larry Ellison, what a Bunting Tosser!
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Thursday 19th October 2017 16:01 GMT bombastic bob
Re: Left hand down a bit!
"A signalman who prepares and flies flag hoists."
Also referred to as a "Skivvy Waiver" [with 'skivvies' being a navy term for boxer shorts]
Is that anything like 'bunting tosser' ?
In the USA, 'bunting' is a baseball term where you hold the bat horizontally and allow the ball to bounce off of it, ideally stopping after a short distance, somewhat between home plate and the pitcher. This forces the catcher and/or pitcher to run from their positions to grab the ball and throw it to first base for a 'forced out'. Usually the batter will be out, but it allows time for a runner to get to home plate (score) or for a runner to advance to the next base (as a strategy to score a run later).
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Thursday 19th October 2017 16:41 GMT Alistair
Re: Left hand down a bit!
Yo bob: that's a bunt. A verb.
bunting, in leftpond view is either the odd cloth skirting wrapped around railings during a special event, or the cloth with which one wraps a small infant. Historically, esp deep south usa it was a colloquial reference to a ladies underskirts.
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Thursday 19th October 2017 14:18 GMT Adair
It might be fun...
but it won't be 'The America's Cup', just another '...dirty little regatta'*.
The AC, meanwhile, is what it is, and there's nothing else quite like it, thanks to the 'Deed of Gift'. The gift that just keeps on giving as it scuppers the plans of mighty men (mighty women too maybe one day) to own the AC.
The AC, as long as the DoG continues to hold sway, will remain simply a yacht race, boring as that may be to the uninterested. A yacht race between monied people willing to throw their money away on technology and muscle power for the sake of holding a very ugly piece of silverware, but one that represents a long and gloriously turbulent tradition. Long may it continue.
* Mr. Grant Dalton's terse put down of the Coutts-Ellison attempt to turn the AC into yachting's version of 'Formula 1'.
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Thursday 19th October 2017 16:45 GMT Lars
Sadly
Sadly the Americas Cup was destroyed years ago when the R12 yachts fell out. As far as I remember there was some Australian who challenged the rule and won. Then any size any type was allowed. The Whitbread Round the World Race started to have the same problem until they decided to go with a "one-design yacht" (same for all), the Volvo Ocean 65, and the race is now The Volvo Ocean Race, sailed every three years. (nice stuff on YouTube).
Anyway the Americas cup has, in my opinion, lost all its interest.
If Ellison can get support for something more interesting and sports like "with events round the world" then I wish him best of luck, sincerely. Who knows perhaps a British yacht might then win for the first time. Funny in a way, as both AC and VO have a British background but no wins in either.
Very appropriate icon, I must admit.
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Thursday 19th October 2017 18:46 GMT WolfFan
Feh. If you want to add excitement, and realism, don't use any of these new-build thingies, use real purpose built ships designed to represent their countries in real shenanigans. I propose a meeting between HMS Victory and USS Constellation, winner owns the North Atlantic. Come, cheer up me lads, for 'tis to glory we steer...
Biting the hand that feeds IT
