back to article Ouch: Brit council still staggering weeks after ransomware bit its PCs

A ransomware assault late last month is continuing to affect the operations of Copeland Borough Council in the northwest of England. The processing of planning applications is still being affected weeks after a major cyberattack hit the council in rural North West England. The planning application for a housing development of …

  1. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge


    ...are considering the idea put forward that Flounderland has a certain ring to it.

  2. Phil Kingston
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    I say kudos for a BCP that a) actually existed b) managed to maintain some semblance of front line services.

    1. Lysenko

      ...and I say brickbats for a BCP that needed to be invoked because of such a trivially easy to deflect threat, with an extra side order of brickbat for not having the systems wiped and re-imaged from backup inside 24 hours. You might almost think they don't have an Ansible scripting expect on the payroll! (OK, I exaggerate - they couldn't be that useless).

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Having witnessed the aftermath of a major ransomware attack - before you throw brickbats, be aware of one thing - if the police are involved they may insist that certain machines are left untouched whilst they are reviewing them for evidence.

        This process took 3 weeks in the case I witnessed and hampered the recovery efforts. Not blaming the plod as they are only doing their job, but it does make an instant recovery a lot more difficult if there are certain machines you can't touch.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Random, malicious, professional?

    I'd have thought you could perm only two of those three.

    Then again, when you're writing excuses for your own incompetence its best to chuck in the kitchen sink. I see that it was "possibly international"....c'mon guys, say it was Russia. Everybody knows Putin doesn't want those eight houses on Cleator Moor to be built.

    1. katrinab Silver badge

      Re: Random, malicious, professional?

      Professional means they do it for money rather than just to show that they can

      Malicious means they intend to cause damage

      Random means there was no particular reason picking that rural council rather than someone else.

      So yes, I think it can be all three, and probably was.

      1. Trigonoceps occipitalis

        Re: Random, malicious, professional?

        "Professional" implies a certain level of training, skill, experience and, yes, remuneration. It may also imply membership of an institution established by charter.

        Doing it for money implies that you have a job.

  4. fnusnu

    Victim of what?

    The council added that it had been a victim of a “malicious and random professional attack.”

    Or rather of its own IT incompetence.

    1. Halfmad

      Re: Victim of what?

      Any organisation can be hit by ransomware, it's how quickly and effectively they deal with it that shows the underlying skills and understanding their own IT department have of the tech they are using IMHO.

      For this to drag on for weeks makes me think they're reliant on outsourced support in some way either for infrastructure or backups.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Victim of what?

        Any organisation can be hit by ransomware,

        But most are not badly hit. I've worked for a company with 90,000+ employees across the UK, Europe and US, with about 80-90% having a laptop or desktop. The breadth of the attack surface was immense, and this was a high profile household name with around 15m customers. We were running older versions of WIndows, crappy old browsers, but through proper planning, proper controls, proper security management the company didn't get hit by ransomware or related attacks, or rather it did, but they were ineffective, or controlled at the first point of infection.

        Councils and health services have no good excuses - even if you have to run old and unpatched software, there's mitigation strategies that work. Of course, their weak excuses are still much better than those for idiots like Maersk, who have the scale, money, commercial interest to avoid this type of attack, but didn't.

        1. Halfmad

          Re: Victim of what?

          Were? How recent was this?

          Absolutely attacks can be minimised, but that goes back to my initial point about how ICT can deal with it when it happens. I could lock down my own infrastructure far tighter than I have but that requires approval to do it and will require some money to be spent, money that many councils etc don't have to spare.

  5. Dan 55 Silver badge


    If they've taken everything down then weeks is plenty of time to wipe and reimage systems.

    At the very worst you pay the ransomware, get the documents back, and rebuild everything.

    What's going on?

    1. David Neil

      Re: "Weeks"?

      At a guess, lack of staff to do the re-imaging, probably lack of internal knowledge to do full rebuilds of systems and lack of working backups to restore data.

      1. LewisRage

        Re: "Weeks"?

        No automation.

        Each desktop needs re-imaging by hand (perhaps a .WIM on a USB stick or a badly implemented WDS) which needs manual intervention to complete the build.

        Untested backup recovery. No one has heard of an RTO. There's no spare storage to bring up the backups on and no-one wants to just outright wipe the original machines.

        An IT department that consists of 4 helpdesk and 2 'sysadmins' who've never been given the time of money to implement proper systems. Or they are shared services and other councils/departments still need their attention.

        Constant internal wrangling because no-one is willing to make the bold decision in case it comes back to bite them.

        1. Alan Brown Silver badge

          Re: "Weeks"?

          "Untested backup recovery."

          or "backup to disk" - which were online and got encrypted too.

        2. Mark 85 Silver badge

          Re: "Weeks"?

          Constant internal wrangling because no-one is willing to make the bold decision in case it comes back to bite them.

          ^^^^^ Pretty much says it all. And it doesn't seem to matter which country it happened in, be it government or private industry, etc. It's have the balls to make the decision and then to hold the line on that decision. But.. profits, job fear, and pressure make weaseling out of a decision preferable.

        3. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

          Re: "Weeks"?

          "An IT department that consists of 4 helpdesk and 2 'sysadmins' who've never been given the time of money to implement proper systems. Or they are shared services and other councils/departments still need their attention."

          I've dealt with a number of council IT departments of the years, more than I care to think about, and you just nailed it. The guys do their best with limited staff and resources on a day to day basis but they definitely DO NOT have any other resources to call on when something big happens.

          One council I dealt with had the cash set aside to replace their ancient desktops just before the last financial meltdown and bought enough new desktops to replace the entire fleet, even renting a small warehouse unit to house them all while being deboxed, imaged and deployed. The financial crash happened, the deployment slowed down drastically 'till eventually not only did they have too many PCs after redundancies but barely had two people left to continue the deployment. Last I heard, the three year on-site warranty was expiring on PCs still in their original packaging.

    2. Dark Lord

      Re: "Weeks"?

      Six weeks since the press statement and still down. Wow, words fail me, it will soon be months! What's going on indeed, who are these guys!!!

  6. Will Godfrey Silver badge
    Big Brother


    I wonder if there is a particularly contentions planning application in progress. Not that I'm suggesting anyone would use this to slow things down a wee bit while they consolidate their position.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Hmmm

      If you want to ramp up the conspiracy theory quotient then bear in mind that I think Sellafield is in Copeland!

  7. 0laf

    If you depreciate your IT services to the point you can't even do the basics like backups then really you've been hoisted by your own petard.

    Management don't like IT unless it involves shiny toys and words like transformation and digital. Workaday stuff like wires and email, nope just make it all go away and bring on the toys.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      These Ard things seem to cause no end of problems, why people keep them as pets if they are that dangerous is beyond me.

  8. HmmmYes


  9. Lysenko

    But fear not !!

    The council has been prioritising "front line services" and clamping down ruthlessly on the inflated cost of coddled back office staff and systems which do not visibly deliver value to "Hard Working Families". So that's all right then.

  10. tiggity Silver badge

    Planning Applications

    There should always be "hard copy" documents for land related stuff (and the land registry itself will have a lot of info, a few local planning stuff just held by local council) so little excuse for delays there IMHO

    .. Though that "hard copy" approach not infallible, if the building houses those gets burnt down (which happened to friends of mine, fortunately they had retained 17 year old piece of paper signed by council buildings inspector who had passed the work they had done (inspector was dead by time they wanted to sell property) - none of teh old paperwork ever digitized by council.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Planning Applications

      No need for hardcopy although many councils still have those anyway. It's the lack of offsite backups that hurt most and increasingly some don't seem keen to use tapes as a media and rely on networked storage.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Planning Applications

        If cheaper is better do you get what you pay for?

    2. Alan Brown Silver badge

      Re: Planning Applications

      "Though that "hard copy" approach not infallible, if the building houses those gets burnt down "

      That's what fireproof safes are for. They're a lot easier to implement for paper than for media too.

  11. davenewman

    Radioactive ransomare

    Isn't Sellafield in Copeland Borough Council's area?

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    File-encrypting ransomware infects 'computers'

    This kind of thing would never happen of people stuck to the industry standard Micrsosoft Windows

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