She lied to us? I'm shocked. Next you'll be telling me those jade eggs that I've been keeping in the "incubator" aren't going to hatch into jade chickens.
Ex-NASA bod on Gwyneth Paltrow site's 'healing' stickers: 'Wow. What a load of BS'
Current and former NASA scientists have called bullshit on claims seen on alternative "wellness" wallet-relieving blab-blog Goop, run by former famous actress and current linens-for-rich-ladies slinger Gwyneth Paltrow. The "lifestyle" website – which in the past has advocated adding arbitrary amounts of iodine to your daily …
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Friday 23rd June 2017 14:33 GMT CrazyOldCatMan
Re: High level spirit
solved with a glass or two of a single malt.
Fond as I am of the Holy Water of Life as made in [Scotland, Ireland, Wales, England[1], India[2], Japan], I'm rather more into red wine at the moment.
[1] Yes - we have a proper, licensed whisky distillery. The Chapter 14 release from The English Whisky Company[3] is a very, very fine thing.
[2] Strange as it might sound, I had a bottle of Indian Whisky recently and it was rather drinkable. Can't remember the name though.
[3] I have no affiliation with them. I wish I did cos then I might be able to get a discount..
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Friday 23rd June 2017 15:39 GMT Blitheringeejit
You missed out the French...
...who brew a rather lovely single malt in Brittany. Apparently after the Roman retreat, a largely empty Brittany was repopulated by celts from Wales, who brought not only their language (which evolved into Breton), but also their distilling skills.
Because it's Friday, and there's no single malt icon ---------------^
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Wednesday 28th June 2017 20:16 GMT Jonathan Richards 1
OT Re: You missed out the French...
"...a largely empty Brittany was repopulated..."
I think you might have got the ebb and flow of Celtic ethnic groups, driven by the forces of Romans, Goths, Saxons, Vikings, Normans, and others, a bit the wrong way up. Welsh, Cornish and Bretons were just a sub-set of the Celts pushed into the far western parts of their respective lands. Similarly, the other main linguistic group was pushed into (or maintained their identity within) the far north. The Romans withdrew their legions, right, but they didn't up sticks and forcibly de-populate swathes of the landscape.
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Saturday 24th June 2017 22:23 GMT Ceiling Cat
Re: High level spirit
[2] Strange as it might sound, I had a bottle of Indian Whisky recently and it was rather drinkable. Can't remember the name though.
Could it have been one of the many products from Amrut?
Only Indian Whisky distiller I know of at the moment, although there may be others.
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Friday 23rd June 2017 11:39 GMT 45RPM
This really gets on my tits. There’s no miracle to wellness - it’s all well known science. Eat healthily (well, most of the time), drink in moderation, exercise hard and do something to keep yourself mentally fit (chess, reading, programming…) There are no shortcuts, and putting stickers all over yourself to rebalance your chakra (?) is just as nuts as rearranging your workstation to promote the flow of ch’i instead of rearranging it so that it’s more comfortable to work at.
Still, I suppose, if the only people getting conned are the people who are into this shit, and if they feel better once their wallet has been suitably lightened, where’s the harm?
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Friday 23rd June 2017 12:02 GMT TonyJ
"...Still, I suppose, if the only people getting conned are the people who are into this shit, and if they feel better once their wallet has been suitably lightened, where’s the harm?..."
On the one hand, I tend to agree.
But on the other hand, you do get idiots who believe this kind of crap to the extent that they then start to believe the other crap about how medicines and medicinal science are all some big conspiracy to keep us ill.
Which, to be fair, if an adult is stupid enough to buy into it then good luck to them but then when they start to project those beliefs onto kids it becomes beyond harmful.
Silly us eh, preferring science and the scientific method over some random claims by actresses et al.
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Friday 23rd June 2017 12:24 GMT Martin an gof
Silly us eh, preferring science and the scientific method over some random claims by actresses et al.
The thing is, that when even supposedly rational types espouse things like Denon's £1,000/m network cable (which I think they've stopped selling anyway), and the normally fairly down-to-earth Richer Sounds sells a 1m USB cable for £145, it's no good shouting at the non-scientific thoughts of mobile clothes horses.
I was particularly annoyed with Denon, because I used their professional broadcast-quality kit in a previous life and it was worth the money.
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Friday 23rd June 2017 14:32 GMT Davegoody
A fool and their money are easily parted
Some people just love to spend money of utter crap..... (to steal a phrase from a certain Mr Ratner).... I spend a lot of my hard-earned on tech, but I earn money back from it, so it's (mostly) justifiable (to the better-half)..
It's like the snake-oil of hifi, gold-plated OPTICAL Cables ? Give me a break..... £1k for a "directional" Ethernet cable for high-end hifi..... Pseudo-science at best, dangerous at worst !
I literally laughed out loud and spat my tea all over my keyboard, clicking the link to the toilet roll holder, thus prompting some more Tech expenditure, when
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Friday 23rd June 2017 12:26 GMT Anonymous Coward
"Silly us eh, preferring science and the scientific method over some random claims by actresses et al"
No different from the Royal Touch - or Papal blessings - or religious relics that are still treated as cure-alls today even in developed countries like Germany.
It was announced today that Turkey's national education curriculum will stop teaching evolution to secondary school pupils. "Education official says students too young to understand 'controversial subject'" It will only be taught at universities.
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Friday 23rd June 2017 12:46 GMT 45RPM
It would seem that we are entering a new Dark Age, where facts* are deprecated in favour of a faddy idea or 'alternative fact' which props ups the loudmouth of the day.
@TonyJ and @AC make a good point about how this is harmful when kids are taught this bullshit.
As far as Monster cables et al go though, I just laugh - especially when the music being played is from a digital source**, and especially a compressed one.
I use cheap cable (£7 for 30m), decent speakers (Mordaunt Short), decent separates (mostly NAD, with a little Sony and some Technics for good measure) and keep the cable runs as short as possible. It's a setup which, to my ears, is brutal on bad MP3 rips (better off with a cheap stereo - a good one will throw the compression artefacts into sharp relief!) and sublime with lossless and good quality CD or better recordings.
* in the sense of something which is demonstrably provable or can be shown to have happened.
** not that digital audio is bad - my ears certainly aren't good enough to tell the difference between a good MP3 and a CD, for example - but technically, a good analogue recording on a format like reel to reel should be better than CD because the CD has been sampled (at 44kHz) and the analogue recording hasn't. It's just that, even if the marketing lies of super expensive cables are true, the sample rate will have a much larger impact on the quality of the sound vs. the deficiencies of the lower quality cable.
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Friday 23rd June 2017 12:57 GMT andy 103
@45RPM
Sorry but whenever anyone starts talking about their home audio/HIFI setup - you're really no better than Paltrow et al.
There's never been so much bullshit talked especially when it comes to cables and interconnects with HIFI enthusiast twats. Essentially all that matters is this - if it sounds good to you, great. Nobody else needs to know, or gives a shit, what set up you use. In fact this applies to most other things people discuss on this site - if you're happy using your custom made Linux PC then great for you, if you use a Mac and it works for you, that's fine. What does it matter to anyone else, and why do you think they care what you specifically use or do?
It's the amount of BS that's talked by such people (including Paltrow) that really gets on peoples tits. If she said I'm selling these stickers and they are a blatant rip off and have no real magical properties, I'd actually have more respect for her and be more likely to buy them!
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Friday 23rd June 2017 13:19 GMT DJV
Re: @45RPM
Reminds me of "I saw you coming": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgysRim_zT4
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Friday 23rd June 2017 13:23 GMT 45RPM
Re: @45RPM
@andy 103
You see, that's the thing about conversations. They evolve. They disappear off into little curious sidetracks and eventually come back to the original subject via a circuitous route. Or not at all. That's the fun of it.
@Martin an gof brought up the matter of Hi-Fi and I ran with it. I'm a geek - and yes, I love listening to my stereo. And playing on my computers, with my bikes and my cars*. But your central point was pretty much mine too - "Essentially all that matters is this - if it sounds good to you, great. Nobody else needs to know, or gives a shit, what set up you use. In fact this applies to most other things people discuss on this site - if you're happy using your custom made Linux PC then great for you, if you use a Mac and it works for you, that's fine." Two thumbs up. No point having a fight about this, or much of anything else.
However as to "why do you think they care what you specifically use or do?" er… because some people do. Not anyones kit specifically - but some people are interested in the minutiae of other people's interests. If you discussed your stereo, I'd be interested in what it was because that tells me a little about what informed your opinion. If you're not interested that's cool. Scoot on to the next comment, maybe (if you're lucky) typed by someone less geeky than me.
You'll note by the way, that I didn't say that my HiFi / Car / Computer etc is the best and that anyone who has or uses something different is an idiot. As you say, if "it works for you, that's fine."
The problem, as mentioned elsewhere, is when kids get a thorough education in bullshit and not in actual fact.
* just messing with you. I know you don't like going off on a tangent - accept my apologies.
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Friday 23rd June 2017 15:44 GMT Peter2
Re: @andy 103: @45RPM
The problem, as mentioned elsewhere, is when kids get a thorough education in bullshit and not in actual fact.
Close. Very close.
The problem is essentially that kids get a through education in "argumentum ad verecundiam", that of the argument from authority. "Trust me, I know because I'm the teacher." or "the book says so, and the book is right". Teaching via this methods encourages charlatans to come out with people saying "this has SCIENCE in it. BELEIVE my claims or be ANTI SCIENCE", despite this approach actually being religion, not science. Science merely asks that you observe and record carefully, and tell other people the results in a coherent manner to ensure that they can confirm the same result so they can test your claim out if they think it's wrong. Nothing more.
Secondly, ever longer periods of education leads the people leaving the education system to think that they are all knowing, in a classic Dunning-Kruger effect rather than realising that for the most part they are merely being trained to a point that employers have some confidence it's worth paying them while providing further training and paying for somebody else to be providing the training.
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Friday 30th June 2017 09:14 GMT Mooseman
Re: @45RPM
"Sorry but whenever anyone starts talking about their home audio/HIFI setup - you're really no better than Paltrow et al"
No, not really. Like a bottle of wine, you get what you pay for, by and large. Yes, there is a lot of nonsense about hi-fi components, very emperor's new clothes.
Cheap stereo systems are fine if you don't care what the music sounds like particularly, or use an mp3 as your main sound source. Spend a little more and you can hear a definite improvement. Where the silly stuff happens is when the hi-fi buff spends ridiculous amounts of money to gain an imperceptible increase in sound quality, by the time most people can afford that level of kit their ears have degraded to the point of making it a waste of time and money.
I had a fairly cheap hi-fi, which sounded ok. I got hold of a very expensive one, and yes it sounds substantially better (Quad 900 series if anyone is bothered), but only if I have the time to sit and listen. My wife's appalling music still sounds dreadful :)
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Friday 23rd June 2017 14:39 GMT CrazyOldCatMan
Re: digital sound input
digital media with resistor ladder DACs fashioned from graphite pencil lead, and we did fine
You had digital media? Luxury! We 'ad all us fingers chopped off t'feed t'whippet and had to knit us replacements using us teeth and whatever bits of broken glass we could pull out of t'bed..
Kids today eh?
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Friday 23rd June 2017 15:35 GMT Martin an gof
Re: digital sound input
re: resistor ladders
I was suitably amazed when Gert's VGA Adapter for the Raspberry Pi appeared, using GPIO pins and a ladder network to provide up to 1920x1200 pixels, albeit only at 18 bits...
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Friday 23rd June 2017 14:12 GMT Snow Hill Island
"I use cheap cable (£7 for 30m)"
I use twin and earth cable, because it's what I had hanging round in the garage, but cheap doorbell wire would probably have been good enough. And I'd bet that no matter what I spend on cables, it won't sound any better despite them being the analogue part of the path in my setup. Once you've got a decent cross section of copper in your speaker wire, it's the quality of your DAC, amplifier and speakers that matter, so long as you route the speaker cables sensibly, and remember not to wire them into the mains... :-)
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Friday 23rd June 2017 15:30 GMT Martin an gof
I use twin and earth cable
T&E is a bit difficult to work with, being somewhat stiff. When I engineered at a local radio station, my boss was quite partial to using 1mm2, 1.5mm2 or 2.5mm2 mains flex for speaker cables. The copper is about as pure as specialist cables and (if you use the 3-core variety) there's a "twist" in the cable which is always a good idea. Sounds at least as good as dedicated speaker cable (and better than some thin bell-wire) and pretty cheap to boot - about 50p/m from TLC, for example.
It's even possible to get 4-core cable which you could use for bi-amping purposes.
More for your PA gear than at home, mains flex comes in some very robust formats and works particularly well in Speakon connectors, and with some amplifiers having two speaker outputs on one connector, wiring speakers up is a doddle.
Off topic? Me?
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Friday 23rd June 2017 16:26 GMT King Jack
reel to reel should be better than CD because the CD has been sampled (at 44kHz)
Reel to reel has a resolution of about 12bits, CD has a bit depth of 16bits. Sampling at 44.1kHz covers all the frequencies a human can hear. I'll leave it to you to which sounds better. Reel to reel is the definition of BS.
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Saturday 24th June 2017 07:14 GMT Martin an gof
Re: reel to reel should be better than CD because the CD has been sampled (at 44kHz)
Reel to reel has a resolution of about 12bits,
Citation needed. Reel-to-reel is certainly not BS.
I'd contend that "bits" isn't really "resolution", it's "dynamic range" and yes, I'll grant that tape in general doesn't have a fantastic dynamic range compared with some things, but 12 bits?
As for resolution, this (for tape) depends to a huge extent on the speed of the tape and the formulation of the tape (bias frequencies etc.). A good cassette might have a usable bandwidth of 12kHz - equivalent to a digital resolution (sample rate) of 24 or 25kHz, but home reel-to-reel ran faster and had wider tracks; 3¾ips was a common speed, and twice that of cassette, but home players usually had 7½ips and maybe 15ips options, and 30ips was common in studios.
Track width has a bearing on analogue noise, as does tape speed, and in theory digital sources should be free if this kind of noise, but they can introduce noises of their own, many of which are not as pleasant to the human ear.
Given a good formulation of tape, a well set-up recorder and player and a decent source, ¼" tape could outperform CD for bandwidth, if not often for dynamic range (not having any figures to hand, I'd suggest that it came close with metal tapes).
But comparisons are difficult because the recording and playback mechanisms are fundamentally different and other factors also come into play; digital media never suffers from "wow" or "flutter", for example, or simply not being at quite the right speed. As for convenience...
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Friday 23rd June 2017 13:06 GMT David Nash
Where's the harm?
The harm comes about when they believe all this crap and so-called alternative medicine* is going to heal them or their loved ones of real diseases. Placebo effect notwithstanding, there have been cases of people dying because they trusted in the power of positive thinking or in homeopathy rather than the best that medical science can offer, however nasty the latter is, it is at least normally based on some evidence that it can help.
*What do you call alternative medicine that works? Yes, you guessed it, "medicine".
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Friday 23rd June 2017 18:31 GMT Chris G
@45RPM, if this stuff gets on your tits, try reading about 'Human Design' http://humandesign.net/human_design.html
The New Age Arsehole who came up with this stuff spends much of his time in Ibiza ( Unfortunately the place attracts them). I had the misfortune a couple of birthdays back to sit next to one of his acolytes when out celebrating with a Chinese meal. After listening to pseudo scientific woo woo bullshit designed to get the guy into his new, gullible partner's knickers, for 45 minutes I managed to move to another table before being overcome by the urge to belt this wally around the lughole.
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Friday 23rd June 2017 12:41 GMT Old69
Be a fucking
mbillionaire.FTFY
Some modern long term medications are priced at eye-watering rates.
The drastic life-shortening ill-effects of the "Celtic" variation of the inherited Cystic Fibrosis condition can be almost eliminated by the Kalydeco "wonder drug" pills. Children waiting for lung transplants were able to run and swim within weeks of using the pills..
Unfortunately as the number of sufferers is quite small then the drug company initially sought to recoup their R&D by asking USD300,000 for a year's supply per person.
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Friday 23rd June 2017 16:33 GMT Swarthy
Re: graphite?
It may be pointless after shipping, but I am certain that for a few hundred quid extra, a precision rotating ...
Screw it, I'm not that good at this (which explains why I still have to work for a living). He'll see you a pencil sharpener dressed up w/ fancy words and charge £x00 for it. Maybe £x000 for an electrical one with extra woo an' fancy words.
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Friday 23rd June 2017 20:27 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: graphite?
"[...] cylinder of pure natural graphite enrobed in a hexagonal wooden substrate [..]"
That will give me a market for my pyramid storage cases which will keep it charged.**
Also a version containing a crystal suspended by gold wires. It will convert your thoughts into electrical power to charge your mobile.***
**IIRC the originals were sold to mysteriously keep your razor blades sharp indefinitely.
*** on a larger scale it was said to need the concentrated thoughts of a whole New Age community to produce enough electricity to eventually make them independent of the national grid.
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Friday 23rd June 2017 12:13 GMT Edward Clarke
"Seriously, he "converses with a high-level spirit" about medical problems."
Just a thought, but he's communing with a dead guy - probably one who took the "radium water" cure in the early twentieth century. If earlier, then probably someone who used strychnine as a snake bite cure ( I have an old 19th century book that recommends this ).
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Friday 23rd June 2017 12:16 GMT Hans 1
William famously gets to the bottom of his patients’ misunderstood illnesses and helps them heal using wisdom passed on to him from a divine voice he calls Spirit.
src: http://goop.com/why-we-shouldnt-dismiss-iodine/
cf icon ... this one will do: https://www.artlebedev.com/optimus/maximus/
PS: People who hear voices usually suffer from Schizophrenia ... just sayin'
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Friday 23rd June 2017 14:05 GMT Rich 11
Re: Remind me...
Scammers like this usually have a Quack Miranda on their web site, in the mistaken belief that it absolves them of all responsibility, but I'm damned if I'm going to spend precious seconds of life trawling the Goop shitpit for one.
The main reason there are so few prosecutions for deception is that it's America and far too many people in positions of power think that people must be free to scam and be scammed -- caveat emptor. If you want a prime example of how bad this can get, read up on the decades of dealings between the Texas State Medical Board and Dr Stanislaw Burzynski (if you have the stomach for it).
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Saturday 24th June 2017 18:36 GMT Yet Another Anonymous coward
Re: Remind me...
Whereas in Britain (*) they could sue you for libel for daring to question the effectiveness, and would win unless you could prove that they were deliberately trying to trick people and weren't just idiots.
* until recently when Simon Singh spent a million quid trying to defend himself. But it's still the law in N Ireland.
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Friday 23rd June 2017 13:10 GMT Michael H.F. Wilkinson
I think she operates on the principle expounded in one of Murphy's Laws:
It is immoral to let suckers keep their money
Either that or she actually believes that bovine excrement, in which case she sadly perpetuates the stereotype of the dumb blond (and I know plenty of highly intelligent blonds to know it is nothing but a stereotype)
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Friday 23rd June 2017 13:16 GMT Fading
Placebo
I for one thoroughly recommend placebos and believe they should be used more frequently in modern medicine. Given the amount of antibiotics that are handed out for little reason, a cheaper placebo with no known side effects (to be fair no known effects either) would be a better general solution.
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Saturday 24th June 2017 13:06 GMT Trilkhai
Re: Placebo
That would be fine *if* prescription was strictly limited to people that aren't reporting any symptoms that could belong to anything more troubling than a cold virus. There's still far too many people who report red-flag symptoms, but who aren't taken seriously by the doctor/nurse they talk to. Right now, the doctor at least has to either admit they can't do anything, dedicate more time to researching the issue, treat based on a similar condition, or suggest something clearly non-medical**, giving the patient the chance to seek real care elsewhere. It'd be too tempting to many doctors to be able to avoid the discomfort or risk in those options by simply prescribing sugar pills with the false claim they'll 'cure' the person.
**I saw a neurologist in my 20s for sudden balance issues, intermittent weakness on one side, tremors, neck muscle spasms, etc. only to be told condescendingly that "girls your age are under a lot of stress, you should learn to meditate." (A neurosurgeon found that I have a tiny abnormality in my skull that forces my brain to herniate a bit into the spinal cord canal, and something had inflamed it enough to cause symptoms. If I'd seen a chiropractor out of desperation instead of getting heavy NSAIDs, the 'adjustment' could easily have caused paralysis or death.)
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Friday 23rd June 2017 14:20 GMT Just Enough
Re: open-minded alternatives
Wailing about being "open minded" is a favourite defence of woo-woo proponents. They don't recognise the difference between being open minded (a good thing, we can all agree) and being a gullible idiot ready to swallow anything presented without any evidence or logic, simply because it's dressed up in fancy sounding words.
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Saturday 24th June 2017 01:46 GMT å°¼å°
Re: open-minded alternatives
Seems to apply to the perpetrators and the suckers……
hare·brained
synonyms: ill-judged, rash, foolish, foolhardy, reckless, madcap, wild, silly, stupid, ridiculous, absurd, idiotic, asinine, imprudent, impracticable, unworkable, unrealistic, unconsidered, half-baked, ill-thought-out, ill-advised, ill-conceived, crackpot, cockeyed, crazy, daft, foolish, silly, idiotic, unintelligent, empty-headed, scatterbrained, featherbrained, birdbrained, pea-brained, brainless, giddy, dippy, dizzy, flaky, dopey, dotty, airheaded
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Friday 23rd June 2017 15:16 GMT Arc_Light
Re: Denon audio cables
I'm late to the party, and I'm sure some of you are already aware of this, but for those who are not, the reviews, Q&A and customer images posted here are a shining example of how to handle this sort of thing:
https://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Discontinued-Manufacturer/dp/B000I1X6PM/
Next assignment: The items on the "Customers who viewed this item also viewed" list. No energy stickers as of yet, but plenty of other gift ideas for the "Gwyneth" in your life.
PS - For the more scientifically inclined, I recommend books from the Landolt-Börnstein series; sort by "Most reviews" and enjoy.
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Friday 23rd June 2017 15:49 GMT SirWired 1
Goop's always good for a laugh
"Our content is meant to highlight unique products and offerings, find open-minded alternatives."
More like "empty-minded alternatives"
I used to think Goop was some kind of ironic parody where Paltrow was plumbing the depths to which IQ's will sink when people read stuff endorsed by a celebrity. But in a world where Donald Trump can get elected president, I don't think that any more.
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Friday 23rd June 2017 19:26 GMT Chris G
Re: Bah!
Stevie! You made me Google Quantum Healing. Mostly it has been appropriated by a Snake oil senior salesman; Deepak Chopra but there are others in a similar vein who can put quantums into your life.
https://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Healing-Exploring-Frontiers-Medicine/dp/0739343963
He also does Quantum Psychology so is clearly a very clever bastard.
Having read a bit of quantum healing I am considering introducing my new veggy Quantum Entangled Salad, where we entangle whole organically grown carrots with chilli peppers, when inserted rectally (everyone knows rectal application of medicaments reaches the relevant parts more quickly) the surge of quantums will make you say WOW as your immune system is supercharged.
Only €1700.99 per Carrochili 1% discount if you buy today!
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Friday 23rd June 2017 17:29 GMT Stevie
Expensive Toilet Paper Holder
The Joséphier will be delivered with an adhesive adapter, to easily fix and remove it to any non-porous surface without leaving any marks. Alternatively, it can be mechanically mounted to all other types of surfaces.
Translation: It comes with double-sided sticky tape to glue it to tile, or, after the thing has fallen off the tile in the first warm day or when the thermostat gets hacked by some kid, or if you have wallpapered walls in your bog, you can go to Home Despot, buy some screws and do the job properly.
Because if you've dropped 500 bux on this idiot thing another 10 for screws and wallplugs ain't gonna break the bank. And who are you kidding? If you bought this you also hired a team of men with Central American names to mount it on your bathroom wall.
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Saturday 24th June 2017 09:02 GMT Anonymous Coward
Actually, eating well makes me ill.
I have an auto-immune problem,, anything that makes my immune system "better", makes it try and kill me faster. I deliberately eat things I have anti-bodies to, because they distract my immune system.
As for the report, this bit got me
"that its current spacesuit"
Expect her next con to be about spacesuits made of fruit, or that this carbon is from an advanced, new spacesuit, so advanced they arent even using it yet.
Paltrow, embodies the phrase "Dumb Blonde"
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Monday 26th June 2017 09:37 GMT eldakka
it claimed were "made with the same conductive carbon material NASA uses to line space suits so they can monitor an astronaut's vitals during wear".
Well, considering the internals of the space suit when in use is filled with a carbon-based life form that is reasonably conductive, and that is able to relay back to mission control information about it's vitals - "heart is beating a bit fast, sweating a lot, and I wish those aliens would stop distracting me from my work...", maybe they aren't too far wrong?
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Monday 26th June 2017 14:04 GMT Milton
The weirdest, saddest thing of all
The weirdest, saddest thing of all is that actually it's far more interesting and infinitely more rewarding to actually go and get a science education and learn how things really are: how endlessly fascinating and remarkable the world really is, when you peel back the layers to see how it all works. Reality is much more thrilling than the childish, simplistic and really rather pathetic faux "knowledge" or "wisdom" that these clowns immerse themselves in. Evolution gave them enquiring and curious brains—which they promptly waste on spiritualistic drivel that should embarrass an educated ten-year-old.
It's a wasteland of misguidedness that they share with conspiracy lunatics. Learning about climate science, for example, is surely much more satisfying and ultimately rewarding than setting a bonfire of calories in your one and only brain, trying to twist madly dissonant logic and convince yourself that 10,000 climate scientists are part of a huge, secret plot?
Superstitionists and conspiracists frequently irritate me, but my better nature pities the poor bastards.