For a real post brexit apocalypses
Send them to Manchester.
Stuffy American broadsheet the New York Times is offering disaster tourism-style package holidays of Westminster for $6,500, capitalising on Britain’s popular vote to leave the European Union. The incredible (and we mean that literally) “Brexit Means Brexit!” tour lets excessively well-heeled Americans delude themselves into …
Yeah but we have gravy and pies and that's why we'll survive the apocalypse long after you soft southern warm shandy drinkers.
Send them to Liverpool though I can't see much changing pre and post brexit.
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> Send them to Liverpool though I can't see much changing pre and post brexit.
I'm sorry, but Americans are only allowed to visit Liverpool as part of tours that have the words "The Beatles" or "Beatlemania" in their titles. "Post Brexit Apocalypse" doesn't count.
They could come to the former South Yorks coalfields, where they can that the EU invested millions into building new infrastructure and business premises to employ thousands of people. Then try to work out why the vote was >65% to Leave.
Not sure how true it is, but I did read about an inverse correlation between EU investment into an area and the Leave vote in that area.
I'm kicking myself for not taking advantage of the tourist opportunities raised by 9/11. Back then I'm sure I could have persuaded some of Blair's Cool Britannia friends to splash out on a trip to Manhattan and a guided tour of Ground Zero. The starry-eyed local tour guide hired on the cheap would rightly extol the courage and heroism of all those who helped the injured on that terrible day, assuring the spellbound tourists that the resolve of America's leaders would never waver until the culprits were brought to justice, regardless of how many countries needed to be invaded and broken, regardless of how many more Americans (and maybe some brown-skinned foreigners somewhere) would die to little clear purpose, regardless of how many US citizens would be brought into the purview of the massively-enlarged surveillance state, regardless of the wave of authoritarian countries using the excuse of terrorism to clamp down upon protestors within their own borders, regardless of the number of black sites, extraordinary renditions and newly-employed torturers it would take to bring the whole sorry business to a rapid conclusion.
Oops. Did I say rapid?
"until then you can still glimpse the future at any larger Northern UK conurbation."
You might glimpse the future of London that way. In any manufacturing centre that's providing a UK base for some foreign investor there's a decade long slide to something worse coming along.
You'll need a guy with a cart rolling past the front of the hotel yelling "Bring out your dead! Bring out your dead!" And then during the walking tour, you route the group through a local theater group re-enacting the Monty Python "She's a witch!" scene.
.. as the article said, London not representative of pro brexit
They could nip around a few pro brexit areas of the country, even grabbing a few scenic seaside places, visiting pro Brexit areas such as Sunderland, parts of Cornwall , Wales etc.
The LSE guide could have great fun explaining why areas that benefit from lots of EU funding voted to leave the EU, and could then discuss how remote the possibility of a Mayhem government providing additional funding those areas to anything like the degree they benefited from the EU.
Or they could just use census data and do England only, pick English areas with a big majority of white "natives" and older demographic, chances are they were heavily brexit ()
Good idea - leave it a few years for things to settle down then visit
Cornwall - picturesque former fishing villages, their harbours full of tied-up, rusting old boats
East Anglia - vast prairies of empty grassland, with not a veg-picker to be seen
Industrial North-East - empty former Japanese car factories, surrounded by zombies trying to get in
The Scottish Marches - smile at and photograph the cheery Scottish Border Force staff behind their wall.
> Which basically means that 28% didnt care and which ever way you swing it, over half the country
> didnt vote for one or other of the options.
Or more likely were not allowed to vote because they were a furriner (aka EU citizen residing in the EU, ie someone most likely to be affected by any chance), similar to how no UK citizen living in the EU were allowed to express their preference...
"Or more likely were not allowed to vote because they were a furriner (aka EU citizen residing in the EU, ie someone most likely to be affected by any chance)"
The EU population voting if a member can leave? Do the countries of the EU vote our general elections too?
"similar to how no UK citizen living in the EU were allowed to express their preference"
Wasnt the rule something like 15 years in the EU but not in the UK? People who spent 1 and a half decades living outside the country and already living where they prefer to be?
Hey Chris, what a lovely map that is! I've got an idea though -- what about plotting the ten or twenty largest British cities on that map? Hmmm?
You also might like to reflect that the map only shows the regional winner; it doesn't show the size of the win. 52-48 could, very literally, hardly have been any closer (49/51).
"Proudly "liberal" (in the American sense) in outlook, the NYT mainly caters for the sections of American society who imagine themselves to be a cut above the little people who vote their carefully selected sons and daughters into safe seats."
For actual news, the NYT is pretty good. The softer sections of the paper cater to groups who live in a pretty small world, it is true. If you don't, e.g., regard Lena Dunham or Jeff Koons as major cultural figures, you might find the arts pages baffling.
But Londoners have it easy. Every since the election, the Times (among other eastern newspapers) has been sending reporters out to the Midwest to find out whether Trump voters have repented yet. I have to think that the Midwesterners find it as tedious as one would find evangelists knocking on one's door every week; but the Midwest is a big place, and maybe they don't go back to the same diner very often, maybe they just describe them all in similar terms.
I wonder if they will have alternative facts from Cameron and Osborne. Maybe even Carney. I am sure the EU would stump up to support the propaganda. They are getting desperate in their negotiating/begging. Not sure if they would contribute statements like 'the end of western civilisation' or the various comments of brexit bringing down the EU. Nor do I imagine the EU's pleading for us to change our mind to be mentioned.
"They are getting desperate in their negotiating/begging"
Talk about alternative facts!
The EU saying repeatedly they're not going to renegotiate (and sticking to it) and the UK having to *ask" for extension after extension tells you where the desperation lies.
The only thing the EU is desperate to do is protect the four freedoms.
"Have to get in before brexiit 'cos when that happens no foreigner will be allowed (or want) to come here."
Do you genuinely still believe this ??! It looks like #ProjectFear really did a number on you then. You might like to branch out and read something other than the usual Remainer echo chambers then.
Yup, most of the "foreigners" buying properties and leaving them empty, buying football teams and leaving them in debt or buying factories and leaving them in tatters aren't from the EU. Whereas the "foreigners" keeping the NHS running often are, as are the ones picking veg in our fields and the ones serving in our hotels. Jobs which the UK born don't seem to want, preferring instead to aim to get on the X-Factor and become famous. Or at least not work for a living.
The sooner we're out the better - then we'll see the pigeons coming home to roost.
I suspect you might want to recalibrate your expectations about the blowback on tourism that will result from the measures that will be needed to get net immigration below 100,000. Still, it doesn't sound very likely you'll change your mind based based on a commentard exchange, so... well, I have this retirement project on the drawing board: spidering newspaper and other commentard fora, locating the most devout Leavers, and tapping them on the digital shoulder to see how they feel about the situation once the dust has settled and we're at an approximate long term equilibrium. (In theory this will be in 15 years' time.) Who knows? Maybe I'll be telling them that I was all wrong and they (you) were right. We shall see...
Maybe I should have included a JOKE icon but I thought that Reg readers were too intelligent to need it, most are.
Mind you, the average foreigner that I meet has gone from pained puzzlement to straight out scorn when contemplating the brexiteer's antics. The prices will have to be very low indeed to attract them to this septic isle.
"Mind you, the average foreigner that I meet has gone from pained puzzlement to straight out scorn when contemplating the brexiteer's antics."
Probably something to do with the average comments of a militant remainer who either wants the EU or to be cut off from that big bad scary world. It amuses me that racists and xenophobes dont have the support of leavers but of the extreme remainers. I always said too far left and too far right leads to the same place but this is disturbing. Hopefully the moderates can hold out, complete brexit and be outward looking instead of nationalistic within the borders of the UK or the EU. I cant imagine the toys flying out of the prams and tantrums will appeal to foreigners.
"militant remainer who either wants the EU or to be cut off from that big bad scary world"
We would not be cut off, merely negotiating from a massively weakened position.
"It amuses me that racists and xenophobes dont have the support of leavers but of the extreme remainers"
Since when was Tommy Robinson an extreme remainer? Or were you referring to the far right MEPs who have seen what Brexit is doing to our country and want no part of it?
As a citizen of this septic isle :) , I can only enquire ......... What happened re: The Trump situation ?
Your sage and his knowledge appears to have been 'forgotten' on your side of the pond !!!
I repeat for real .....What happened for gawds sake !!!???
A slip of the brain doesn't quite cover it !!! :)
I think that Brexit pales in significance/concern.
Brexit means our (UK's) future is at stake while the 'Trump' situation is your 'now' with the world getting the 'fallout' (bad choice of word.) for free !!!
My Brexit concerns are strictly on the backburner, as I am concerned if we all manage to reach the promised Brexit apocalypse in one piece !!! :)
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