back to article Shocking crime surge – THE TRUTH: England, Wales stats now include hacking and fraud

Crime stats for England and Wales have shown a huge year-on-year increase. Don't panic, though: it's due to the inclusion of fraud and computer misuse offences for the first time. In a report published this week, the UK Office for National Statistics (ONS) reckoned there were 6.2 million reported incidents of crime in the 12 …

  1. PTW

    Awesome!

    So now name calling on Twatter is included in the crime stats, how useful.

    Which makes me surprised Scotland aren't following suit as I believe that's where Police Scotland spend most of their resources. Policing off colour jokes, etc.

    1. GrapeBunch

      Re: Awesome!

      Not the way I read the report. "Computer misuse" accounts for 1,966,000 reported incidents, of which 1,300,000 are "Computer virus" and 667,000 are "Unauthorised access to personal information (including hacking)". That leaves -1,000 (rounding error) incidents for your name calling, PTW.

      If there are 1.3 million virus infections reported to the police, there must be hundreds of millions of actual infections. In my country, I'd expect reporting a computer virus to the police to be at best a pointless exercise. Are UK cops more diligent? Or are expectations higher?

      1. PTW

        Re: Awesome!

        "Are UK cops more diligent? Or are expectations higher?"

        Neither, just more idiots! We have people call 999 [911] because their Sat TV isn't working, so huge swathes expecting the police to do something about a virus isn't surprising.

      2. Adam 52 Silver badge

        Re: Awesome!

        We have national crime recording standards. So assaults etc. are all recorded for the stats. Crimes with no victim, or where the victim is the Crown, generally aren't recorded (speeding etc.)

        That's the theory. In practice recording varies. The Met, for example, won't record some offences by telephone whereas others do, so that keeps their stats low. In other areas crimes which could be either recordable or are non-recordable (discharging a firearm could be an offence against the Crown or against the person being shot) are recorded according to how the Chief Constable wants to massage the figures. It's supposed to be the most serious recorded, but it's up to the crime recorder how they interpret the alleged facts.

        1. breakfast
          Holmes

          Re: Awesome!

          As far as I am aware the most reputable numbers nationally come from the British Crime Survey - another regular source of idiot press reports that "the British Crime Survey doesn't include murder" without any explanation of how a victim-reported survey would implement that.

      3. Cuddles Silver badge

        Re: Awesome!

        "If there are 1.3 million virus infections reported to the police, there must be hundreds of millions of actual infections. In my country, I'd expect reporting a computer virus to the police to be at best a pointless exercise. Are UK cops more diligent? Or are expectations higher?"

        This has nothing to do with reporting crimes to the police. These crime statistics are produced from the Crime Survey for England and Wales (formerly the British Crime Survey), which is an annual survey of 50,000 people asking about what crimes they have been victims of, in face-to-face interviews so avoiding a lot of the obvious criticisms of less thorough surveys. The entire point being that many crimes, such as computer viruses but also more serious things like domestic abuse, aren't often reported to the police and so don't appear if you only look at recorded crime.

        There are still plenty of criticisms that can be made about it, but it's generally considered to give a much better idea of the levels of crime than pretty much any other measures.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Perfect opportunity for a Trump type to pounce

    Talk about how crime is skyrocketing, it must be all the immigrants, we need to close our borders immediately. When he's corrected as to the reason for the increase, he'll just shout louder and his followers will believe him not the facts.

    Worked over here.

    1. Rich 11 Silver badge

      Re: Perfect opportunity for a Trump type to pounce

      The first time I read it I thought you'd lifted your opening sentence from the Daily Mail...

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Perfect opportunity for a Trump type to pounce

      Remind me how many GOP supporters rioted... sorry "protested" when Obama was sworn in?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Perfect opportunity for a Trump type to pounce

        Well quite a lot of them actually.

        And that is ignoring the fact that any rioters at anti-trump protests will almost certainly be the little boys of the neo-nazi alt right thinking they are being very clever with their false flag operations.

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