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An Oracle employee and anti-Donald-Trump activist has quit the company over co-CEO Safra Catz's decision to join president-elect Donald Trump's transition team and her expression of Oracle's intention to support his policies. George A. Polisner, who for the last four years has worked in Oracle's managed cloud services team, …

  1. Dr Stephen Jones

    "Planned Register of Muslims"

    What plan? There is no plan. It was just another douchey thing Trump said on the campaign trail.

    Journalist careless with language again - probably kicking back and thinking of Christmas.

    1. Malignant_Narcissism

      Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

      Exactly. This was never going to happen; and yet here we have all these ass-hats signing pointless "pledges" that they won't help build a registry. As if they were ever asked to do so. It was never going to be built in the first place.

      1. Heironymous Coward

        Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

        So, according to you, it's perfectly OK if someone (a presidential candidate, say), threatens or plans reprehensible and unconstitutional actions. You will continue to support that candidate fully even after he is elected, and even when he is actually President, as long as he only threatens these actions. You should only start to complain when he actually starts to implement his ideas.

        A couple of questions:

        1. If nobody complains, how will this candidate with the reprehensible plans know that his plans are, in fact, reprehensible and terrible?

        2. How do you know that he will not actually implement his ideas? Why would you encourage someone with this kind of rhetoric, unless you agree with him?

        3. Do you not think that stating these illegal ideas and plans is a problem? In your mind, is it OK to threaten to maim or kill someone, as long as you don't actually start to do it?

        4. Isn't it too late to start complaining, once the plans are put into effect? Much of the damage to society, and to some of the victims, will have then already been done...

        5. What kind of effect do you think this will have on society, when someone in a position of authority (or future authority) can threaten a minority group with impunity, and nobody complains about his threats?

        1. smartypants

          Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

          All those points are valid.

          At this moment in time, few find it easy to predict what the man will actually do (or try to do), because reason and Trump are only occasionally to be found in the same room together (and perhaps then it's just a case of ships in the night). So I think some people are hoping he is all (nasty) mouth and no trousers.

          However, I don't see any cause to be relaxed. The people he is appointing give cause for concern. He has invited some rather unpleasant people to run things that they hate or want to destroy or undermine. So even if there isn't a coherent message coming from this 'team', if you invite bears in the house, expect a lot of shit.

        2. Dr Stephen Jones

          Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

          @Heironymous Coward

          Which part of "there is no plan" did you not understand?

          All of it apparently. So here's a dictionary definition:

          plan

          NOUN

          a detailed proposal for doing or achieving something:

          Trump mouthed off campaigning. There is not yet a plan. But since Trump is not yet President, this is not surprising. Whether there ever is a plan remains to be seen. Like you, I would expect it to be illegal.

          The rest is you bloviating.

          1. Roo
            Windows

            Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

            "Like you, I would expect it to be illegal."

            Since when has that stopped a government doing anything ? In the *real* world rather than the airy fairy legal world a Government is big enough to ignore the law or change it if they are feeling legally challenged.

            1. John 104

              Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

              @Roo

              Indeed. I read an article this morning about how the Democratic party is going to impeach him for conflict of interest. No government employee should receive monetary compensation in lieu of favorable policy policy, blah blah.

              The irony. Clinton foundation gets hundreds of millions and that is OK? But if it is Trump we must take action!

              1. Orv

                Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

                The Dems can't impeach him -- but the Republicans promised to pre-emptively impeach Hillary over the same issue. So, uh, plenty of hypocrisy to go around.

              2. HausWolf

                Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

                Clnton had already addressed the issue of what the foundation would do in case she won, the donald not so much. and from the looks of it, he is not going to divest/separate as much as he promised.

                So yes, I wait to see the pubs with love of country take on the pubs with love of power over this during the next couple of years.

                1. Orv

                  Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

                  "...he is not going to divest/separate as much as he promised."

                  Quite the opposite in fact, his staff are quietly "suggesting" that foreign delegations should stay in Trump(TM) properties if they want to do business with the government.

          2. TomChaton

            Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

            plan

            NOUN

            1. A detailed proposal for doing or achieving something

            2. An intention or decision about what one is going to do.

            FTFY

        3. The Man Who Fell To Earth Silver badge
          FAIL

          Heironymous Coward Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

          "How do you know that he will not actually implement his ideas?"

          You obviously know zero about the structure of the US Government, it's Constitutional framework for generating legislation by Congress (& not the President), as well as the SCOTUS..

          1. Orv

            Re: Heironymous Coward "Planned Register of Muslims"

            "You obviously know zero about the structure of the US Government, it's Constitutional framework for generating legislation by Congress (& not the President), as well as the SCOTUS.."

            All three of those branches are about to be controlled by the same party. Not many checks and balances anymore, then. They'll be able to do whatever fool thing they want and there's nothing we can do to stop them.

            1. Blank Reg Silver badge

              Re: Heironymous Coward "Planned Register of Muslims"

              And the last time the republicans controlled all three the great depression soon followed.

        4. The Axe

          Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

          "So, according to you, it's perfectly OK if someone (a presidential candidate, say), threatens or plans reprehensible and unconstitutional actions. You will continue to support that candidate fully even after he is elected, and even when he is actually President, as long as he only threatens these actions. You should only start to complain when he actually starts to implement his ideas."

          So according to you, it's perfectly OK if someone (a presidential candidate, say), commits criminal acts or takes money from foreign government. You will continue to support that candidate fully even after she is elected, and even when she is actually President, as long as she only threatens the other side. You should only start to complain when she is actually jailed.

          1. Orv

            Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

            "So according to you, it's perfectly OK if someone (a presidential candidate, say), commits criminal acts or takes money from foreign government."

            You may think repeating those things over and over makes them true, but it doesn't. She was investigated repeatedly, and none of those fishing expeditions ever found anything. If Comey -- a man who worked harder than anyone to get Trump elected -- couldn't find anything, it's not there.

      2. The bigger, blacker box.

        Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

        >>Exactly. This was never going to happen;

        Of course it could never happen...

        Cough, cough, IBM...

        1. Blank Reg Silver badge

          Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

          Of course it could never happen, it's a government project, it will run billions over budget, be years late and never actually work. Trump will be in jail or dead before this thing would see the light of day

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

            There is no 'thing.' Trump was talking about closing the southern border to stop illegal aliens pouring across it, as the Democrats and some Republicans desire. A reporter (in a noisy room) shouted a question about registering Muslims (the reporter injected this with no lead-up) and Trump seemed not to clearly understand what was asked. He did go on a bit about databases, but it's obvious he was still focused on the border issue, not Muslims. Yet the press decided they had their 'gotcha' moment and ran with their "Trump calls for registering all Muslims" lie. It's SOP for them when dealing with the hated Republicans.

            And now here we are, apparently discussing this as if it were a real thing. Priceless.

            1. steve 124

              Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

              I can always count on you to call these tards out John.

              Again, it seems like the people who hate Trump take what he says literally but don't take him seriously. Whereas, we take him seriously but not literally.

              I can't wait until he starts actually getting things done that help our country, from the office, and these little snowflakes (who have only known Obama's failed leadership most of their adult lives) actually get to see what a real President is supposed to do. I only hope there's a light bulb moment for these folks where they finally get it. Support your country and do things to help it.

              SMH, at least we're inching towards proper leadership again, as long as Obama doesn't get us into a slugfest with Russia before leaving office.

              <Upvoted you brother>

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

                "I can't wait until he starts actually getting things done that help our country"

                As the saying goes, you can tell a politician is lying ... his lips are moving.

                1. John 104

                  Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

                  @AC

                  As the saying goes, you can tell a politician is lying ... his lips are moving.

                  That is the interesting thing. He isn't a politician.

                  1. Anonymous Coward
                    Anonymous Coward

                    Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

                    "He isn't a politician."

                    Did he not get elected to political office? The irony of an "anti-establishment" billionaire is delicious.

                  2. Roo
                    Windows

                    Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

                    "That is the interesting thing. He isn't a politician."

                    He is a politician by definition, and has been since he put himself up for election.

              2. Roo
                Windows

                Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

                "I can't wait until he starts actually getting things done that help our country, from the office, and these little snowflakes (who have only known Obama's failed leadership most of their adult lives) "

                Obama did pretty well considering he had the houses stacked against him, he was handed a administration that was massively overspending in a recession and managed to fly the crate straight & level. By contrast Shrub's administration with the backing of both houses blew out the federal budgets and presided over a global recession. I don't see any reason to expect the US + world to fare any better under the Trumpton administration with the backing of both houses.

                I honestly hope I am wrong, but I suspect the little people who voted for Trumpton won't see their circumstances improve over the next term. I will be happily surprised if you can prove me wrong in 4 years time.

            2. Orv

              Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

              I might buy your argument that this was all just a media slur if one of Trump's surrogates hadn't also put forward Japanese internment as a model to follow:

              https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/17/japanese-internment-is-precedent-for-national-muslim-registry-prominent-trump-backer-says/

              Clearly, if this isn't part of his plan, his own people haven't gotten the memo.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

                > "...his own people haven't gotten the memo"

                Orv, I looked up this Higbie fellow you refer to. He has NO actual connections to Trump at all, unless you count independent verbal support as a 'connection.' Yet you slyly suggest that Higbie is one of Trump's "people." Please stop being so dishonest with the facts, okay? This "guilt by supposed connection" thing is a standard tactic used by the dirtier political operators. Don't be one of them.

                1. BillG
                  Megaphone

                  "Planned Register of Muslims" - NOT!

                  President-elect Donald Trump's team said today that he had never advocated for "any registry or system that tracks individuals based on their religion"

                  http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-muslim-registry/story?id=43639946

                  A reporter from NBC actually invented the idea of a registry, suggesting it to Trump after a noisy rally. But Trumps' answer was instead about the wall never mentioning a registry. There is "speculation" that Trump did not hear the question correctly and thought it was about the wall.

                  If you read the above article, you'll see that Trump never, ever, directly states that he wants to implement a Muslim database - but - at the same time, he slides in some innuendo, never giving a firm "no", either. Why? Because it's Trump baiting the media again! Once again,the joke's on them, got wound up and fell for it.

                  Everybody enjoys believing the worst about the opposition candidate.

                2. Orv

                  Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

                  "This "guilt by supposed connection" thing is a standard tactic used by the dirtier political operators. Don't be one of them."

                  Why not? The dirty operators keep winning. Gotta stop bringing a knife to a gun fight.

            3. HausWolf

              Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

              So you are saying he lied... again

        2. Ian Michael Gumby
          Boffin

          @ Tiny black box ... Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

          "Cough, cough, IBM..."

          Whatever are you talking about?

          Was that a WW II reference to the Germans use of an IBM machine to tabulate and track Jewish Citizens?

          So while you inadvertently invoke Goodwin's law, you seem to conflate a couple of things.

          But I digress. To put Trump comments in to perspective he was talking about maintaining a registry of the Muslim Refugees coming in the US and being able to track them while they are in the US.

          Now back to your IBM reference. These refugees are supposedly vetted. That means that there is already a database of the individuals. (Cough , Cough, IBM, Microsoft, Oracle, etc. )

          Trump's comments about denying access to Muslims from certain countries like Syria is that they could not be properly vetted. (ISIS captured major cities and gained the ability to create false identity documents)

          Considering the recent events in Germany... his fears are warranted.

          Of course what Mr. Trump doesn't understand is that there is already a large population of Muslims in the US that could be radicalized even though they were born here. (We've seen this already on multiple occasions.)

          Now what I've stated pretty much sums up the facts and is fairly unbiased.

          Trump tends to speak in Hyperbole and you have to take him with a grain of salt.

          Unlike Obama, Trump will use Congress which means laws will be followed. Note that Obama's EOs when challenged fell flat in court.

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    2. Hollerithevo

      Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

      He spoke against climate change scientists and dismissed the notion, and now he has appointed an anti-science/climate change person to run that department. Looks like we should give him credit for delivering on what he said he'd do. If he said he'd build this database, let' presume he will, because he really is following through.

    3. Dr_N Silver badge

      Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

      "What plan? There is no plan. It was just another douchey thing Trump said on the campaign trail."

      You have absolute proof of a negative?!

      Congratulation!

      1. John 104

        Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

        @Dr_N

        You have absolute proof of a positive?

        Didn't think so.

        Congratulation!

        1. Dr_N Silver badge

          Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

          @John 104

          "You have absolute proof of a positive?"

          Nothing goes over your head. Your reflexes are that fast!

          WHOOSH!

        2. Frumious Bandersnatch

          Re: "Planned Register of Muslims"

          Congratulation!

          Saluton! Is Esperanto your first language?

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    And what did he expect?

    Of course Hurding Catz willl be with him. Like dissolves in alike - the average income of Team Trump fits the same bracket. They are also known to be members of the golfogarchy - the ruling caste in a golfocracy so all is going exactly as expected.

    It is like in that old comedy sketch: "Floor of the roman senate. A senator speaking: "Fellow senators, the situation with the poor is critical, they have nothing to eat, they are starving". The whole senate raising 3 finger salute: "F*ck the poor".

    The only ones to suffer at the end of the day will be the poor and the budget deficit (you think it is bad now, watch what happens after Trump cuts the taxes for the rich even further).

  3. Milton

    "Once great company"

    That "once great company" was always thoroughly unpleasant to work with, not least for its arrogance, barefaced hype, dishonesty and, let's face it, the frequently awful performance of eye-wateringly expensive products. After some years of encountering Oracle at different (saddened, poorer, wiser) clients I came to regard it as the tech equivalent of one of those parasitic wasps that lays eggs inside a host, which later hatch to eat it from within.

    I don't blame anyone for resigning over a matter of principle, especially where the despicable man-child Trump is concerned.

    Possibly Oracle are cosying up to the scumbag because, let's face it, a large chunk of the industry has got wise to Oracle and it may be that its board envisions a day when it will need all the help it can get.

    1. Rich 11 Silver badge

      Re: "Once great company"

      I've never forgiven them for their product placement in the Iron Man films, ruining my suspension of disbelief. "Uploading to the Oracle Cloud..." Yeah, right, you're getting every cent's worth on that, Tony.

  4. Vatsan

    I have a somewhat tangential view on this. Why the Americans, who are supposed to be true-blood democrats, unable to accept their own Election Verdict? Like it or not, they all now need to rally behind their President-elect, whatever maybe their personal dislike towards Trump. These anti-Trump Americans still unable to reconcile with the Election Verdict are sending out a very bad message to other democracies.

    I also see lot of parallels between Trump's Win and Mod's win here in India. Here too, many are yet to reconcile with his victory but as someone affirming faith in democracy, atleast I shall extend to my support to my PM

    1. zebthecat

      Since when has supporting an election winner become mandatory?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Why have you changed "accept" to "support"? Are they the same in your mind?

      2. Nunyabiznes

        It hasn't. It is traditional to wait and see what actually happens before hanging someone however.

        1. HausWolf

          That didn't stop the pubs 8 years ago.

      3. steve 124

        Supporting? Never. Accepting the democratic process that got them there? Law.

        Even Obama is trying to cast doubt upon the process (the very same process that let him stay in power for 8 horrible, cancerous years).

        Don't like Trump? Say so.

        Don't like the process that allowed we the people to elect him? Move to another country snowflake, this is how democracy works. Stop rioting in our streets, cause come January 20th, that shit will be dealt with by actually enforcing the law (something that really hasn't been happening over the last 8 years) and you definitely aren't going to like that.

        1. Orv

          "Don't like the process that allowed we the people to elect him? Move to another country snowflake, this is how democracy works."

          Pfft. Rich from a side that spent eight years trying to portray Obama as an illegitimate president. Trump RAN on the idea that Obama wasn't born in the US and therefore wasn't elected legitimately. Even now, as he's about to leave office, Republicans are still trying to "debunk" his birth certificate. They just can't let go.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          The un-united states of America

          Just the small problem of more than 50% of the electorate voted for Clinton.

          (Yes I understand the college vote). How does one construe this as the will of the people?

          Please explain.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: The un-united states of America

            > "Please explain."

            No problem. You say Hillary won the pop vote and is therefore at least morally the winner, right? Wrong, because your argument rests on flawed premises.

            It's known that Hillary's high total comes from just a handful of states with large urban populations. Take away just California and she loses the pop vote too. Trump saw that he wasn't likely to win electorally in CA or NY, so he concentrated on the rest of the country instead. If the contest had been one big poll, Trump would have spent time in those states, not only picking up plenty of votes directly, but also because Republicans there would come out in greater numbers due to their presidential votes actually meaning something, which wasn't true this time.

            So an unknown but substantial number of Trump votes would appear, possibly switching the popular vote. I know you would insist that it's too small a change, but I say it would be plenty big. The point is, you can't show what really would have happened, so your popular vote hobby horse doesn't really exist.

            Sorry, but that's reality. You keep on cuddling that belief tho. I guess it's all you got.

            1. Orv

              Re: The un-united states of America

              "Take away just California and she loses the pop vote too. "

              Oh, the game where we arbitrarily decide which states' voters don't count as "real Americans" and discard their votes. You know, if we throw away Texas then Trump loses the electoral college.

            2. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: The un-united states of America

              Rubbish. You cannot choose to ignore votes simply to bolster you argument.

              If Trunp was not so dangerous, he'd be a laughing stock. Thankfully, I can sit here in the UK and watch the farce unfold. When he builds his wall, remember to put a lid on it.

        3. Jason Bloomberg Silver badge

          Don't like the process that allowed we the people to elect him? Move to another country snowflake, this is how democracy works.

          I thought, in a democracy, people were entitled to mould that democracy into the democracy they would like, not eternally stuck with what they had.

          Isn't what you saying more akin to fascism?

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Go

            "I thought, in a democracy, people were entitled to mould that democracy into the democracy they would like, not eternally stuck with what they had."

            Precisely! Thus we now have President Trump.

    2. Just Enough

      "These anti-Trump Americans still unable to reconcile with the Election Verdict are sending out a very bad message to other democracies."

      Ha ha ha ha ha ha! You think any democracy on the planet is still looking towards the US electoral process for "a message"? Americans still like to believe that they have a model democracy, when in fact it's a two party duopoly governed by vested interests. Following the utter shambles that was the latest election, and America has absolutely nothing to show other democracies. The US election made a mockery of the word "democracy" long before now.

      1. John 104

        @Just Enough

        Technically, we here in the U.S. are a republic.

    3. Orv

      I will never rally behind someone who has explicitly threatened to take away my human rights and the human rights of people I care about. Sorry. I don't know how they do it in India, but if someone promises to slit my throat I don't come in close for a hug.

      1. Malignant_Narcissism

        "but if someone promises to slit my throat I don't come in close for a hug."

        Curious, were OK when Obama attempted to negotiate with terrorists in his first term?

        1. Orv

          "Curious, were OK when Obama attempted to negotiate with terrorists in his first term?"

          No idea what you're talking about. Keep in mind I don't read Breitbart so I'm not up on the latest conspiracies.

    4. Malignant_Narcissism

      "Why the Americans, who are supposed to be true-blood democrats, unable to accept their own Election Verdict?"

      Because that's the bleeding-heart, bed-wetting liberal way.

  5. Stevie

    Bah!

    I'd have thought letting Oracle loose with a bottomless budget (as taxpayer funded budge ts so often are) would be a guarantee of nil results in four years. Adding in the "cloud" part would drive home the last nail in the coffin.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    oracle have plenty of off-shore staff who wont take issue with ethical/moral implications.

  7. W4YBO

    Behave...

    Ever notice how many of these politically volatile articles have "This post has been deleted by a moderator" in the comments? How badly do you have to behave to have your comment moderated out of elReg?

    Come on, folks. The election's over. Try to get along with each other.

  8. Mystereed
    Trollface

    Is the Register pandering to Trump too?

    That picture at the top seems to have larger hands than average?

  9. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

    Book tip for the upcoming holidays:

    Sinclair Lewis' "It Can't Happen Here", free e-copy here.

    It Can't Happen Here is a semi-satirical political novel by Sinclair Lewis published in 1935. It features newspaperman Doremus Jessup struggling against the fascist regime of President Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip, who resembles Gerald B. Winrod, the Kansas evangelist whose far-right views earned him the nickname "The Jayhawk Nazi". It serves as a warning that political movements akin to Nazism can come to power in countries such as the United States when people blindly support their leaders.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    This kind of shit happens after every election in the USA. They take it seriously.

  11. steve 124

    aw, what will we do now?

    Guess we'll just have to make Oracle great again without him!

    Good luck to him on his job search (I'm sure this guy has enough money to not worry about it at this point).

    His Linkedin statement mentioned dismantling Social Security... which you would think someone in this position would be smart enough to know can't happen.

    For our blimey friends that may not know, Social Security is not an entitlement, it's a government enforced retirement plan. From your first until your last paycheck, the US Gov takes out money and puts it in your Social Security balance. Therefore, SS can't be dismantled because it's not goverment money, it's citizens money. That single statement made by this guy lets me know he has no clue what's going on and is just following the mass media's negative campaign against the new POTUS.

    So, committing career suicide on Linkedin? I'm for it for anyone who is foolish enough to believe this sort of crap. Another snowflake melts.

    1. ElReg!comments!Pierre

      Re: aw, what will we do now?

      > Therefore, SS can't be dismantled because it's not goverment money, it's citizens money.

      In France it's citizens' money too, but it IS indeed being dismantled, which was made possible by an annexation of its budget to the State budget and the subsequent pilfering to fund, among other things, oversea wars or the current gang's friends' businesses.

    2. Orv

      Re: aw, what will we do now?

      "Therefore, SS can't be dismantled because it's not goverment money, it's citizens money."

      Bush's plan to dismantle it was to give that money to Wall Street to "manage". This was shortly before the housing bubble popped, so it pretty much would have ceased to exist after that.

      Also, the idea that it's citizens' money is merely part of the law, and with majorities in both houses Republicans could change that law to send it all to Russia if they wanted to.

    3. HausWolf

      Re: aw, what will we do now?

      Except the speaker of the house and the head of trumps budget team have both expressed a desire to "privatize" social security and that never ends well for the working class.

      Also it hasn't stopped the government from taking the "citizens" money before.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: aw, what will we do now?

      For our blimey friends that may not know, Social Security is not an entitlement, it's a government enforced retirement plan. From your first until your last paycheck, the US Gov takes out money and puts it in your Social Security balance. Therefore, SS can't be dismantled because it's not goverment money, it's citizens money. That single statement made by this guy lets me know he has no clue what's going on and is just following the mass media's negative campaign against the new POTUS.

      If you you think you're educating those hailing from Blighty I have a surprise for you: they're WAY ahead of you in experience. During the Blair years, one Gordon Brown (yes, he of "let's sell off all the gold we have at the worst possible moment", presumably so his mates could snap it up at bargain prices) came up with the brilliant idea of also taxing those very funds that were being built to take care of the future of all those people forced to pay into these large pots of money. Because, you know, it was money, and the future of people wasn't really their priority.

      Put another way, as he was in charge of channelling as much tax money as he could manage to Tony & friends he decided to raid that money too, he just called it "tax".

      The same will happen to you guys now, because you voted in the same sort of hyenas who promise much, deliver nothing and use the occasion to fill their pockets until they come apart at the seams. Yes, you will probably vote for these idiots again because they keep promising. Blair managed this twice, so be glad you have a legal limit of "one more time", unless they change that too. They'll get away with it too: if you see with what little effort Blair & cronies got away with what they did I have no doubt that the US equivalent will have no consequences either. Well, that is for Agent Orange and friends. The consequences for the man in the street may be very dire indeed - but they don't matter. They never do.

      Enjoy your country while you can - 2017 may not be fun.

    5. Mark 85 Silver badge

      Re: aw, what will we do now?

      The problem is that the money taken out of paychecks (and the employer contribution) for SS no longer is in SS control. It's been moved to the general budget for some decades now. So it's not "secure" as such but subject to the whims of Congress on how much SS gets. So far, they haven't failed to pay the full amount each year, but those days may be numbered.

  12. TomasF

    100 signatures in IBM...

    'Nor is it a case of the technology industry rising up against Trump: the IBM staff petition we reported on yesterday still records “100 signatures reached”.'

    So that's all the remaining US based IBM employees, then? Not bad...

  13. Moosh

    The most surefire way to get downvoted in these echo chamber comment sections is to even entertain the notion that Trump isn't literally Satan and Hitler's lovechild.

    This exec is an uninformed moron.

    1. HausWolf

      trump isn't the exec... yet.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      entertain the notion that Trump isn't literally Satan and Hitler's lovechild.

      He isn't? Actions speak louder than words IMHO..

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        I must admit, Trump has gone down in my estimation since he became associated with Oracle.

  14. John 104

    Idiot

    What an idiot.

    I'm all for having a political viewpoint. However, letting it get in the way of your professional career, unless you are in the political machine, is immature, idiotic, and very short sighted.

    1. Orv

      Re: Idiot

      "I'm all for having a political viewpoint. However, letting it get in the way of your professional career, unless you are in the political machine, is immature, idiotic, and very short sighted."

      Ah, the techie's Nuremberg defense.

  15. PTW

    So, instead of staying at Oracle, where he could have made changes in policy...

    He stormed off like a petulant child, as is the want of the modern day leftist.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: So, instead of staying at Oracle, where he could have made changes in policy...

      Ha, ha, ha, ha, oh you're serious?

      You clearly don't know Oracle, Larry, Safra & Mark set company policy, that's it.

      No one else's opinions/views/anything else matter, if you don't agree with the companies policy/direction you can leave, that's it, seems like he took the only option open to him, joining it publicly is the only unusual part.

  16. Florida1920
    Pint

    Good man!

    This one's for you, George! ------------------------>

  17. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

    LGBTQ

    That's a new one. What's the Q stand for?

    Oh, and a quick heads up to all those mentioning Trump following through. You have no idea how hilarious that is the inner teenager for we Brits.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: LGBTQ

      Either Queer (reclaimed to mean doesn't easily fit into a category) or Questioning.

  18. mikefrank

    I didn't think I could lose even more respect for her

    But as one of the leaders of the Monsanto of the tech industry... I should have expected it

  19. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Pigs flying?

    Wow, an Oracle executive is complaining about ethics. Pigs must be flying outside today.

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