Yet another step towards their goal of making everything an online service.
Also yet another move that will irritate former loyal customers and prompt them to look for alternatives.
any cloud provider that harvests even one byte of data from a private cloud is probably breaking the law.
So far (and I might be wrong) AWS does not do this.
For Microsoft to basically say that you (the person/company) paying for the cloud is also going to have bits of data copied and used by MS is just wrong, so wrong.
If the service was free I might understand it but you are paying MS a monthly sub. Should that not guarantee your privacy (unless subject to a court order)?
I am so glad that I will knowingly never use an MS cloud offering
This change in terms should make any company using MS Cloud service think long and hard before renewing their contract. Sadly, I think that far too many companies (including my own but I'm out the door at the end of the month) have drunk the Office 365 coolaid to back out now.
As one poster said here recently, 'come back Notes, all is forgiven'.
Perhaps the grass is not actually greener on the other side after all?
On the one hand Microsoft fight a very expensive legal battle to keen Ireland out of US court jurisdiction because it would kill their cloud business otherwise...
...and then they go and shoot themselves in the foot like this. Nobody any sense or a half-way competent legal department would sign up to those conditions. Even Google Cloud specifically excludes this sort of data slurp.
"Nobody any sense or a half-way competent legal department would sign up to those conditions."
Those without sense won't run it past their legal departments anyway. Legal departments need to be pro-active in this. Sadly, being in a legal department doesn't guarantee sense; I wonder how many legal depts. and law firms are actually using these products already.
Before becoming CEO.
Evidently, he's also had the approval of shareholders and directors to steer Microsoft in this direction.
The Microsoft we used to know is dead. It's now a Google-clone. Even Yahoo has turned into Google-lite (no thanks to Marissa Mayer). I saw the almost identical sign-in box used in both Yahoo Mail and Gmail. Definitely not a coincidence.
It's a bit like the Supermarket having a "Free food policy" that stipulates you will pay the full monetary cost of everything you buy.
"That includes subscription products like “Office 365,..."
Ummm, if Office 365 is an Enterprise Product, why does it keep inflicting users with offers to install itself (presumably for a fee) on copies of Windows 10 Home on single workgroup (ie: Non-Domain) computers?
Is it too late to go back to Win 7?
so that Microsoft can “collect your Microsoft Edge search queries and full browsing history associated with your user ID to personalize your experience.”
Now why the hell would I want my "experience" personalized? I just want to use the damn computer and do the things that I want. I don't need a personal experience or relationship with it. It's tool... a machine, not a person. Eat s**t and die MS.(1) Win 10 will never see the light of day or the dark of night on one of my machines.
And no, I don't want you peeking in my data, bugging my friends, or generally fiddling with my equipment.
Time for some e-mail filters, perhaps? See icon... it's a better solution. (2)
And lest the Penguin Brigade come forth to preach to me, I'm working on it.
(1) This also applies to any other bit of software or company that insists on "personalizing my experience". Wankers..... Now get the f**k off my lawn.
** See (1)... apply as applicable.
The determined greed to have the cake and eat it is losing me as a customer. I avoided Google services for years because they market me as a product and get from me every drop of data they can in exchange for free stuff. I am happy to pay for what I use and so I went with Microsoft.
Now MS want to have Google's business model on top of their own. Well no, you can't. You can ask me to pay for your product or you can ask me for my usage data in exchange for it. But you can't ask me for money and then take my data as well. I wont tolerate such double-dipping.
And don't ever contact my friends or colleagues on my behalf using my image or name.
“We may also contact you regarding third-party inquiries we receive regarding use of the Online Services, as described in your agreement. You will not be able to unsubscribe from these non-promotional communications.”
Does this mean that I (as a third party) can ask Microsoft to spam anyone who meets certain criteria?
Does this mean that I (as a third party) can ask Microsoft to spam anyone who meets certain criteria?
that depends on how you read the agreement.
they say they wont “Microsoft will not use Customer Data or derive information from it for any advertising or similar commercial purposes.”
but also say “We may also contact you regarding third-party inquiries we receive regarding use of the Online Services, as described in your agreement. You will not be able to unsubscribe from these non-promotional communications.”
so IMHO is on IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY to PAY M$ then yes you can get them to send information " regarding third-party inquiries" to their "customer" base
So EVERY company using M$ services will HAVE to inform their customers that their data will be stored and (as Microsoft will be mining it) processed outside the EU. to comply with Data protection Laws.... and wont be long until privacy shield is shot full of legal holes.
Oh well have until January 2020 to work out my personal strategy. - being a non millennial i care about my privacy.
Presently I have Office 365 Business Premium, which gives me most of the Office applications (not Access) on up to 5 devices plus 1TB of sync-able Cloud storage and, usefully, a managed Exchange server, for GBP 78 a year. Which is a really good deal. By dint of stuffing around I manage to turn off most of the Win 10 Pro and other MS nastiness, and remind myself that my data is stored in the USA, but that need not be an issue, with careful planning.
I soon discovered that using Office 365 gives me an Azure AD account, gratis. And then discovered Azure Information Protection (in Prview). At this point I decided I better understand a bit more about Azure. Which seems more useful that I anticipated, which was encouraging.
But what is truly overwhelming is the rate at which new and updated services are being released, the uncoordinated prerequisites for similar services and the understandable inability of authors and online trainers to keep abreast of what is being released.
MS has tools that allow what feels like zillions of their people to cooperate on everything, but nothing to make sure that somebody has a clear overview of what is being pushed out the door as policy.
I have found 3 different sets of prerequisites for the new Azure Information Protection service. When I ask the team developing the software what the situation is, silence. Because nobody sees the big picture.
And that is the date where Microsoft has officially lost its mantle of OS maker and transitioned into Ad-slinging personal data slurper.
That is also the date where I will have retroactively dumped Microsoft into the same bag as Google and all other sleazy Internet companies who just want to milk my details to make their money. That you have to pay Microsoft for the privilege is just the cherry on the cake.
Thanks, Microsoft. It was an interesting quarter century and I am happy for what we had. I will cherish my Win 7 license for as long as I can string it out.
But we're done now. You have become something I cannot abide, and I will not trust you again.
...with this kind of sh!t? We've known it was going to happen ever since MS had all that telemetry pouring out of the preview versions of Windows 10. Then when the belief that that telemetry was just for beta development was proved wrong with the full release of Windows 10 still having it all, we were told again where MS were heading. Now with the Anniversary release and these updated policy elements, it's being told to us again - MS want to stick their nose in to every part of your online life (and probably a fair bit of offline life too) in order to monetize it for themselves. This is exactly the same as Facebook and Google, and probably Apple too (though I don't use their stuff so don't know for sure).
Windows 7 FTW. Linux Mint FTW. At least for the foreseeable future. I just hope hardware makers keep writing drivers for Windows 7, no matter that MS might try to buy them off. And I also hope that hardware makers wake up to the need to write Linux drivers as standard at the initial release of a product.
" Permission for Cortana to access to your browsing history, so that Microsoft can “collect your Microsoft Edge search queries and full browsing history associated with your user ID to personalize your experience.”
"This is exactly the same as Facebook and Google, and probably Apple too (though I don't use their stuff so don't know for sure)."
- Facebook, you have 1 billion persons WILLINGLY giving away all sort of details about they private life!
- Google won the search battle by being the BEST, not by LOCK-IN and extortion as M$ does when you buy a PC. Yes they use data, it is their business model, but as there is no lock-in you are free to use any other search engine (which I do!).
- Apple is very clever with their business model. For example the app-store, there is 0 technical invention (that pre-existed on Linux) but they invented a brilliant economic model around that: micro payments, pay developers, etc... Their model is NOT based on monetizing data (so far!). See also the headlines of Apple vs FBI on the matter of the "terrorist" iPhone.
Yeah, but Windows 7 users will be totally screwed, eventually. As El Reg reported, MS has already bribed Intel et al. to drop Windows 7 support from new chip design. Read it here.
So, anyone using Win 7 (for me, it's only for some old programs I like) need to either plan to keep your current hardware or find an alternative program for your alternative operating system.
I received the email today (4th August). It says "We are also updating the Microsoft Privacy Statement. These updates are described on our FAQ page here, and are effective as of August 2, 2016." (i.e. two days ago), and also that "If you do not agree, you can choose to discontinue using the products and services, and close your Microsoft account before these terms become effective." <- bit late now!
1) Not using a Microsoft account, which also means no Cortana.
2) Not using Microsoft Edge.
3) Not using Outlook.
4) Not using Skype.
5) Not using Microsoft Band (or any other Microsoft accessories and wearables).
6) Not in the EU or US.
Am I (more) safe from Microsoft snooping?
"Am I (more) safe from Microsoft snooping"
7) NOT USING A MICROSOFT OS
I think that might do it. (it's why they've embedded their spy-crap into the OS itself, and changed the EULAs to "make you agree" whether you knew it or not)
It's going to take "voting with our feet" to convince these clueless idiots of their WRONG. It's time for a REVOLUTION!
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A primary focus on functionality is very bad. Security should be designed in not an afterthought.
When EU GDPR begins enforcement in May 2018 wonder if this will effect policy at Microsoft, Google, Apple, Facebook, and the others abusing our personal information with data by collecting it for their secretive internal operations. To grow their bottom line at our lack of customer privacy expense. When GDPR goes into effect will the violators simply provide another version in only the countries who push back or change their global policies. Hope the latter. For those unfamiliar with EU GDPR here are the timelines, milestones met, with press releases from a very reliable source: http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/reform/index_en.htm
More details on this topic are at: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/secure-architecture-options-cloud-mobile-app-iot-shaun-maki
Anyone care to come on here and mock Linux users after reading this story?
Or any of the other stories that seem to appear daily, detailing the new MS strategy of "we milk you for all your data and charge you for the privilege"?
I'm sure all businesses must be overjoyed by this latest "innovation"
Monday they updates "skype"
Now it lands at a different login page, profiles have been cut back to 50%, you need 70 before they will work correctly.
also many "names " have been blocked and spaces inserted into the profile names. surprise surprise....... any corporate domain that hosts 365 now shows up as a "microsoft" email address. "as in thank-you for registering a microsoft email address"
The users 'microsoft' email address is auto linked into the persons skype account, try to remove it and the "skype" account is closed.
We also found that office 2016 auto disables if it cannot connect to the internet to validate once a month.
so FU if you are on a train speeding thru the china countryside working on a corporate proposal and cannot get an internet connection when it decides to kick in.
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