Did Donald Trump really just ask Russia to hack the US govt? Yes, he did In the latest of a series of implausibly appalling statements, Republican presidential nightmare Donald Trump encouraged the Russian government to hack into the servers of US government officials in order to provide him political ammunition against his Democratic rival. Speaking at a press conference on Wednesday, Trump said …
Trump was going under the assumption that the Russians ALREADY HAVE the Clinton email, from a server that no longer exists.
If they do, then the Hillary defense ("no security compromise") is a lie.
And if that's a lie, then Hillary's the one who compromised national security and should go to jail.
Trump was calling for the Russians to supply evidence of Hillary's crimes.
You were saying?
*pedant alert*
You honestly believe a man who can give a speech for over an hour and not make a string together a single meaningful sentence knows anything about how email works?
Shall I explain it to you then?
/pedant
/coat :-)
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Actually, yes. Any Wall Street type is going to have the SEC watching, always watching. Knowing how email works and the security thereof would be part of the job(security), yes? There's always business competitors watching too.
Trump was calling for the Russians to supply evidence of Hillary's crimes.
What crimes? It's always smoke and never fire from the Clinton-haters.
Trump, on the other hand, is a proven racist, lying fraud.
Forget any claims of false equivalence, too; Trump is a threat to democracy and the world. Clinton isn't.
"Trump was going under the assumption that the Russians ALREADY HAVE the Clinton email, from a server that no longer exists."
that was MY first impression as well.
A thumb-UP from me, even though the 'howler monkeys' are thumbing you down [a badge of honor, heh]
and, did ANYONE ever think that Trump *might* be telling a JOKE? *I* thought it was UPROARIOUSLY funny!
"and, did ANYONE ever think that Trump *might* be telling a JOKE? *I* thought it was UPROARIOUSLY funny!" --- it was a joke, a sharply sarcastic and cutting one, but the left don't like it when they are the butt of said joke. So now they feign more outrage and clutch their pearls ever so tightly when Trump jokes about missing emails than they ever did when Hillary actually put said emails out there to be hacked in the first place.
> and, did ANYONE ever think that Trump *might* be telling a JOKE? *I* thought it was UPROARIOUSLY funny!
Very obviously was. He said the media would reward them for it. The media is paid for by Clinton and will not publish things that harm her campaign.
Even discussing this is part of the fail media's plan, but... There is no part of the government that could be hacked to reveal Hillary's missing emails. Unless there is a larger treason scandal involving Obama and every department of the government, including FBI and Justice Dept. So right off the bat, the liberal/Clinton false story this article is running on is disproven.
Second, Hillary said under oath that the deleted emails contained no sensitive information. So even if the Russian could hack something and get them, that would represent no risk at all to security, unless Hillary lied under oath. If she did, then she is no longer eligible to hold office.
Finally, the Russians already have the information, as they compromised Hillary's server. The fact that they haven't released the emails yet shows they are working with Hillary's campaign, which is probably why they're so bent on claiming the opposite with Trump.
> the one who compromised national security and should go to jail.
Just like Cheney went to jail when he compromised security by outing a covert agent?
Just like Reagan went to jail when he compromised security by illegally selling arms to Iran and then using the proceeds to fund the Contras? And then lying about it to Congress?
Just like W went to jail when he compromised security by lying about WMDs in Iraq and using that as a pretext for a multi-billion dollar war that cost thousands of lives; and triggering a domino retaliatory effect of terror attacks in in the US and Europe?
The fuckwits who are calling for HRC to be variously hung, shot, or executed have convenient fucking memories. To say nothing about the relative scale of HRC's alleged transgressions compared to some real criminals who got off totally scott free.
Next you'll be suggesting that the gwb43.com email scandal is anything like the Clinton one.
But it's very clear in tribal politics, whatever the other guys do is terrible and should involve jail, flogging and hanging, but our lot are pure as the driven snow. Because ideals, ends justify means, them lot want to destroy our country etc etc.
> Trump was going under the assumption that the Russians ALREADY HAVE the Clinton email, from a server that no longer exists.
Was he now? How exactly do you know this? Are you suggesting we should just take his PR flack's feeble attempt at damage control at face value?
His exact words were: "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing."
Maybe they do, maybe they don't already have them. If they do have them, they don't need to go hacking. But I think the implication is clear: he meant go for it.
I dunno, that's how I hear it. I only have 50+ years as a native English speaker, so what would I know.
>> Easy to tell who has never used a database in their life in this thread.
It is, isn't it?
Or at least who finds DBs an apparently unfathomable and insurmountable challenge, if one takes into account that you seem to be equating locating files locally stored in a presumably well structured and indexed archive to clandestinely retrieving files that were stored by a non-cooperative remote entity, that have supposedly long since been deleted and, further, that the bleeding FBI already tried to recover -- with presumably much more cooperation than the Russians are likely to get, one might add -- and reportedly couldn't!
I think it would come under "incitement." But then him and "Dobby" do seem to see eye to eye on many things.
Personally I'd rather like Donald (or "The D" as I like to think of him, since so many of his supports just can't seem to get enough of him) to win.
Like Brexit for the British.
But without it being so completely impossible to reverse.
TRUMP ROCKS YOUR SOCKS OFF!
Get over it!
Additionally,. he's probably the only thing that stands between us and nuclear war with Russia.
But then again, humanity ending because the politically correct thing to do is to vote for a mendacious imperial neocon that happens to be female (though sadly not black and gay, one cannot have everything) is just a cynical glimmer in God's scheme of things.
See me not care.
Your evidence that Clinton is prepared to use nuclear weapons against Russia pre-emptively?
As for Trump:
“Europe’s a big place,” he said on Fox. “I’m not going to take cards off the table. We have nuclear capability. Now, our capability is going down rapidly because of what we’re doing. It’s in bad shape, the equipment is not properly maintained, there’s a whole lot of talk about that, and that’s a bad thing, not a good thing.”
(http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/1/donald-trump-threat-nuclear-weapons-europes-big-pl/)
I don't think there's anything in The Art of the Deal which suggests that having a weapon, making sure it's ready to use, declaring that its use is "on the table" and suggesting that other parties (e.g. Saudi and Japan, but not presumably Iran) could and should have their own nuclear capability, amounts to ruling out the possibility of actually using it. Plus, of course, using nukes against ISIS is a possibility he's suggested - and American nukes would really help sort out the Middle East.
And still there are people who think Clinton a bigger danger!
I don't think there's anything in The Art of the Deal which suggests that having a weapon, making sure it's ready to use, declaring that its use is "on the table" and suggesting that other parties (e.g. Saudi and Japan, but not presumably Iran) could and should have their own nuclear capability, amounts to ruling out the possibility of actually using it. Plus, of course, using nukes against ISIS is a possibility he's suggested - and American nukes would really help sort out the Middle East.
Speaking of "Art of The Deal" - it's real writer said :
“I put lipstick on a pig,” he said. “I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is.” He went on, “I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization.”
"And still there are people who think Clinton a bigger danger!" --- Ask the Libyan's, Egyptian's, Syrians, Kurds, Yazidi, Iraqi's, etc. who the bigger danger is? They are not dying in their thousands thanks to Trump, but thanks to Hillary's inept and downright negligent foreign policy.
Here is the constitutional definition of treason:
Section 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.
Analysis of Trumps statement:
Levying war - no.
Adhering to their enemies - no.
Giving them aid and comfort - no.
Answer to your question - no.
Depends if you consider Putins Russia to be an enemy of the US, does it not?
Putin certainly considers the US to be an enemy of Russia. The little man is paranoid, but I guess he has to live with the constant fear of defenestration.
What's truly scary is that one day, this man could be POTUS. I only hope that the smart citizens of the USA see beyond the bluster and rhetoric. I do, however, worry that they won't. As for the accusation of Treason, I'd say it was close, but no cigar....yet.
Truly scary, but partly because he's not organised. He just shoots his gob off without any thought to the consequences.
The comment caused dismay even among reporters who have grown used to Trump's outrageous off-the-cuff comments, typically designed to make him the focus of that day's news cycle.
I don't think he wakes up in the morning, slides his feet out of the golden Trump Towers bed, extends his hands to the golden fire to warm his tiny fingers in the heat of burning international treaties, and thinks, "I know! I'll slag off menstruating Native Americans today. That'll get me a few more newsroom minutes than just harping on about illegal Mexican rapists again."
I don't think he wakes up in the morning, slides his feet out of the golden Trump Towers bed, extends his hands to the golden fire to warm his tiny fingers in the heat of burning international treaties, and thinks, "I know! I'll slag off menstruating Native Americans today. That'll get me a few more newsroom minutes than just harping on about illegal Mexican rapists again."
I'm pretty sure he does.. That's how he ended up as the Republican nominee without having to spend much on campaigning - get free media attention.
"Maybe he could be kept around for amusement after the election - make him foreign secretary or something."
Or ambassador to Great Britain. Be careful what you wish for, as they say.
If he becomes President he might make Michael Savage Ambassador to Great Britain.
"Maybe he could be kept around for amusement after the election - make him foreign secretary or something."
- Between him and Boris, R.I.P. Diplomacy. Good time for a career in International relations damage control. Better still, create a new BDSM fashion and have them ball-gagged most of the time.
"Hillary, for the last two years: "There is nothing sensitive or classified on my personal email server, and no emails were missing."
Democrats, today: "Ohmigod, there's SO much classified material on that server and in the missing emails!""
Citation needed? Democrats seem to be saying "Russia has hacked into the official DNC server, and Trump is encouraging them to do it some more." Where was classified material mentioned anywhere? Confidential, maybe.
Really. I had NO idea that ~30,000 emails on yoga, Chelsea's wedding, and recipes were a matter of national security.
The flip-flopping on this is highly amusing.
And Wikileaks, and whoever is feeding them the DNC emails and such ?
Troll Level: Supreme Grand Master. . .
When confronted by his father, Augustine, George Washington said, "Fuck yeah pop, i chopped that muthafuckin cherry tree down!" A few hours later in his fathers study George attempted to clarify the situation by stating that he hadn't chopped the cherry tree down and that it had already been cut down when he had got there and he had only picked up the axe and swung it violently to ward off a bee which he thought was going to sting him.
-- um, not so much. Have you read transcripts of his interviews? The man can't hold a train of thought, address a question directly, or elucidate concepts higher than a middle-school level.
If he had not received several million dollars from trusts set up by his father, and several million more in loans (some of them apparently still not repaid), then Mr. Trump would probably be a second-rate used car salesman out in Great Neck.
*shrug* Trump's not qualified for public service. He's not even interesting.
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Let's give him a bit of credit... he's a media darling because he's a walking soundbite. The public knows him as the "you're fired" guy and either don't remember or don't know his past history.
I won't go into the Hillary as it's not relevant to this. I'm equally disgusted by her also.
I'm amazed how the author and most of the posters here all think you're oh so clever in continually dumping on Trump, but clearly none of you have actually bothered to do your own homework so are badly uninformed about just how corrupt/evil/self-serving/psychopathic Hilary really is.
Look, Trump is clearly not a great choice, but literally any choice is better than Hillary. All I'm saying is before you just repeatedly mock Trump (mostly at the liberal media's encouragment), at least bother to educate yourself by doing your own research on Hillary first.
With two, three, or possibly even four SCOTUS judges up for replacement, a lot of people think there's quite a bit more at stake.
Whatever you think HRC's flaws might be, think really hard about how bad it'd be if Trump gets to pick them. We just don't need any more Anton Scalias or NRA sock puppets.
"Whatever you think HRC's flaws might be, think really hard about how bad it'd be if Trump gets to pick them. We just don't need any more Anton Scalias or NRA sock puppets."
I don't think Trump would be picking even a Scalia.
He'd want to have at least two Supreme Justices with the surname 'Trump'. Any other vacancies would be filled from the runners-up of Miss America.
Or you could join the growing minority of voters and "Throw your vote away" on a third party candidate.
I mean - Fuck! - Cthulhu would be a lesser evil than the two muppets that we are told are the only two options. This, in a country with over a dozen different varieties of corn flakes - and we only get two presidential candidates?!
What is a liberal media, I thought most Americans got their news from Fox.
Meanwhile, on the east side of the pond, it's not all tea and unstraightened teeth, we know the difference between 'another' self-serving career shark whose playing the game of politics and a loose canon likely to thoughtlessly upset the wrong applecart.
Some applecarts could do with overturning, the system no longer serves the greater good, but not blindly and without thought in pursuit of media attention.
"Some applecarts could do with overturning, the system no longer serves the greater good, but not blindly and without thought in pursuit of media attention."
I don't agree. At some point the stench become unbearable, and overturning that stinky applecart becomes imperative, regardless of how it's done.
"Some applecarts could do with overturning, the system no longer serves the greater good, but not blindly and without thought in pursuit of media attention."
I don't agree. At some point the stench become unbearable, and overturning that stinky applecart becomes imperative, regardless of how it's done.
I hereby invoke Godwin's law. This is how it starts.
Er... no.
I do not support Trump but I do know how to read. He was saying the Russians already have the data and should release it to show what HC was up to. Whether that is a sensible thing to say is a different matter, but there was no request to hack anything.
It's bad enough that Trump says stupid things without the media making it worse.
Yes the media does love having a comic whipping boy in Trump. Funny the media doesn't mention that one of Hillary's delegates had to bow out of the convention after attempting to murder her husband. Yup, there certainly is a little cognitive dissonance going on because you know it would be fodder for a fortnight if she were a Trump delegate.
Yup, there certainly is a little cognitive dissonance going on
You seem to have difficulty recognising the scale of difference between the public announcements of one candidate and the actions of a single delegate whom the other candidate has almost certainly never met or even heard of.
We are whipping Donald for what he does and says, not what some delegate he has never met has done and said.
He was sued and fined twice by the feds for racial discrimination in his housing. A former casino employee reported all blacks had to leave the casino floor when Donald and Ivanka were there. He told a manager he did not want a black guy counting his money. He filed for bankruptcy at least three times. His businesses have been involved in hundreds of lawsuits and hundreds of small companies have complained about non-payment of bills. He encouraged crowd violence at his rallies. His comments to and about women not in his immediate family are classic examples of misogyny. The Speaker of the House of Representatives from his own party called other comments text book racism. He has expressed admiration for Vladimir Putin, Saddam Hussein, and Moammar Qadafi. He insulted not just John McCain but every American veteran who was ever captured and held as POW, while he used four student deferments and finally a medical exemption to avoid serving in Vietnam. He promised to raise money for veteran groups but didn't actually deliver the money until the "liberal media" kept asking about it. He ahs been endorsed by the KKK and the American Nazi party and instead of disavowing either is fine with it.
I don't care what any of his ignorant delegates or supporters think, do, or say. Donald thinks, says, and does enough stupid, vile, hateful things all on his own.
Thats because the media are a bunch of Hillary fangirls.
Just look at BBC, especially World News. The BBC was once the bastion of quality reporting. Now has lost all credability. Both Katty Kay and Lucy Hockings clearly can't wait to trash Trump at every opportunity and breathlessly wax lyrical about Hilary all the time, and also regularly make a whole news segment about some tiny non-newsworthy thing, clearly just because its about someone who did something and has a vagina. Whatever happened to unbiassed, professional reporting?
.. are being reported quite accurately indeed?
Considered - then I found the actual footage of the interview and watched it. Found that the facts don't substantiate the story, and contradict the headline.
I would add an icon, but what we really need is one with a bowel of popcorn.
Up until a couple of days ago Dems and Hillary stood pat that the 30,000 emails she had her lawyers carefully delete were entirely made of emails about her yoga classes and Chelsea's wedding.
Now today they are saying those 30,000 emails are a matter of National Security and must never be released - 'IF' someone has them.
I can't wait to see her and her corrupt family get flushed down the drain for influence peddling.
No they didn't.
A majority of people in the party don't want Bernie.
Bernie was still nominated and still came second by a relatively close margin.
Several of his policies have been adopted by Hillary, and will be enacted if she becomes President.
Not all, but 1,000,000% more than if Donald Trump gets to sit in the Oval Office, because he's going to reverse everything Bernie stands for.
"No they didn't."
Wait, what? Is that it? Dude, the charge is election rigging, with plenty to back it up, and you think those three words is enough to refute it? And how do you know that without the rigging, Bernie would not have won? Isn't that what the rigging was for, to make sure he lost?
And is he supposed to be happy that the one who rigged the system (and unfairly won) is currently mouthing some of his less extreme positions?
It is to laugh.
I see a real dilemma here in this election. Choose between:
1. Spoiled white boy who has done some dodgy business, here and there
2, Career criminal who has spun, lied and cheated her way to the top.
Honestly, who is better qualified to run the free world?
Upon objective reflection, I think:
Firstly, we are well and truly fucked, the candidates are living proof that a democracy gets the government it deserves.
I also think the orange-haired wide boy is the lesser of two evils. He would need time before he could implement a fraud machine this formidable. But with a bit of luck, he might put some of the previous dynasty into jail. Then we should all head for the hills.
"Honestly, who is better qualified to run the free world?"
How about the one who wants to make America BETTER? Not pandering to groups, dividing people by race and religion, showing favoritism to certain races, religions, behaviors etc. and paying groups of people with "other people's money" in order to purchase their votes. Yes, that would be 'Business as Usual' for the Demo-Rat party, and the ones who run it, i.e. the Clint-stones and (formerly) Debbie "Blabbermouth" Schultz.
I'd say TRUMP is better qualified.
Trump already wants to lower tax rates, make 'gummint' (so-called because it nearly always GUMS THINGS UP) more business friendly [so we can have JOBS instead of 'unemployment' or 'welfare'], and THEN go after the gummint WASTE FRAUD AND ABUSE to make the annual budget actually go DOWN for once. I can hardly wait for a bunch of gummint dweebs that merely punch a clock everyday, and spend 'work' time surfing the intarweb all day, to get those pink notices from Trump's administration: YOU'RE FIRED! And the national debt - doubled under Obaka - needs to be dealt with as well. I'm sure Mrs. Clinton would TRIPLE IT.
But I digress...
Trump's habit of saying whatever the hell he wants to say is actually *REFRESHING*, particularly for people like *ME* who are *SICK* and *FORNICATING* *TIRED* of "political correctness" and the hypersensitive chip-on-shoulder HOWLER MONKEYS who go into full poo-sling mode every time they even THINK they (or anyone else) *might* be offended. Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Exactly! Only free to say what the howler monkeys LET you say according to P.C.. And I know that *I* am sick of it, and seeing Trump say this stuff and *CHANGE* *THE* *NARRATIVE* every time just makes me smile...
The Brexit thing is actually a good idea, nothing to be embarrassed about.
As for Boris Johnson, I suppose you're fooled by the light-colored fly-away hair into thinking he has anything in common with Trump. Johnson doesn't.
(I wonder if you're a Canadian. Canadians have a history of often picking PMs on the basis of personal appearance and charming looks, rather than past performance and policies.)
@WatAWorld
"The Brexit thing is actually a good idea, nothing to be embarrassed about."
I am forced to completely and totally disagree with you. Ignoring the actual result itself (which is still frankly a wildcard at best) the month or so of squabbling, infighting, outright lies, scapegoating and straight-up bullshit being spaffed about by both sides was a national f'ing disgrace. That's without taking into consideration the violence and publicly-broadcast hate that were fuelled by the issue.
As far as I can tell, even before the first vote was cast, we made ourselves look like squabbling, childish fuckwits on the global stage. If that's not something to be embarrassed about, then we've certainly lost any right to tell another country to be ashamed of itself.
Pretty clearly didn't ask them to hack the government.
"If Russia or any other country or person has Hillary Clinton's 33,000 illegally deleted emails, perhaps they should share them with the FBI!"
"Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press."
He's implying that someone already stole the emails from when she was secretary of state "accidentally using personal email for government business" and if they were found the press and the FBI would like to have them.
I mean I'm assuming the anti-trump brigade have lost the ability to read.
Consider how many TV commercials work. They don't tell you why their product is good. What they do is crazy stuff to make you REMEMBER them and to make associations in your head. Trump has gotten from being essentially a political joke to presidential candidate by using this technique. Based on these skills, Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame) has been predicting that he will likely win the election and made that prediction before the primary elections even got going.
Whether he's really a nut or is a master persuader, something seems to be working for him. If he wins, we'll all have to hope he's not a nut.
Obama said it at the White House Correspondents dinner: The press is responsible for Trump being where he is. The press pushed him and covered him, and paying equal attention only to Hillary, paying little attention to the other candidates, and ridiculing and ignoring the best candidates.
They took a guy who ran for office to get some publicity for himself and his brand, and put him in the final running for the White House.
As Obama said to the press at that dinner, "I hope you're proud of yourselves."
What you're seeing is the Wall St establishment and the idle rich using the newspapers and TV networks they own to give the middle class the choice between another rich candidate with a history of successfully defeating the middle class and a kook.
The press covered Clinton and Trump, while suppressing and ridiculing the reasonable candidates, like Sanders, Ron Paul, and so on.
"Based on these skills, Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame) has been predicting that he will likely win the election and made that prediction before the primary elections even got going."
He also predicted that Trump would get a landslide in Iowa, and then accused the Republican establishment of electoral fraud when Cruz won it. Then he endorsed Clinton because he was worried about being assassinated (no, really). He also believes in a bunch of ridiculous 'positive thinking' nonsense (like writing things down 15 times a day to make sure they happen), and thinks Kanye West is also a genius 'master persuader'. So yeah, forgive me if I doubt his thesis.
I think it's rather more likely that Trump simply tapped into many Americans' less pleasant urges at a point when globally elites are highly distrusted. Sanders also gained from it; in the UK, Corbyn has seen a similar thing; Podemos in Spain, the Front Nationale in France, Syrzia and Golden Dawn in Greece, and the 5-Star Movement in Italy... they're all just expressions of the crumbling credibility of the elite. An elite which Hillary is more or less the ultimate example of.
Trump is saying stuff which pisses off the establishment politicians, and a lot of people are currently pissed off with establishment politicians. So they agree with him and let him off the virulent racism and quasi-fascist authoritarianism. Bombastic Bob and Big John may sound like morons, but if you read their posts then they do outline their own motives quite clearly - and most of the are based on distrusting regular politicians and being entirely happy to unleash a monster just to shake the established order up. They're not able to provide a convincing argument because we're working on the assumption that we want incremental changes to the system. Trump supporters want to destroy it and rebuild it from scratch.
... if Hillary has done everything that everybody has ever accused her of, and maybe kicked a few puppies besides, she still wouldn't be as big a menace as Trump. And don't get me wrong, I like puppies. On the other hand, Hillary? Let's just say she is the least worst option available.
What makes Clinton II the bigger risk is that she'd actually stay in office for at least one full term, and the bureaucrats would obey her.
If Trump wins he'll first be ignored, and ignored far more than Obama ever was. The CIA director and several top generals have already said they'll ignore illegal orders from Trump.
If congress fails to over rule Trump's actions first, the SCOTUS will over rule them.
Then Trump will probably be impeached.
And if he isn't impeached, sad to say the US is the country where everyone has the "right to bear arms" to prevent tyranny. So sadly I see a Trump sharing the fates of Lincoln and Kennedy. (I'm against violence, but I'm a Canadian, not an American.)
So I'm not worried about Trump. The USA has plenty of legal and illegal checks and balances to counter him.
But when Clinton is elected, and she will be, she'll successfully continue the establishment's "US War on the Middle Class", on the world's middle classes, and on the sovereignty of foreign governments.
So Clinton is the real risk.
But when Clinton is elected, and she will be, she'll successfully continue the establishment's "US War on the Middle Class", on the world's middle classes, and on the sovereignty of foreign governments.
i think you'll find it's really the Republican's war on the middle class.
Democrats want to increase taxes on the wealthy and increase capital gains taxes, whereas republicans want to "reduce taxes" - meaning reduce taxes for the wealthy (and slash unemployment benefits, health care spending, and other things that benefit the middle class more than the wealthy)
Let's just say she is the least worst option available.
Unless you research beyond the low-hanging fruit of"everyone knows". There are other options, including another option that is on the ballot of all 50 states. And the Libertarians, with all of their flaws, are much less bad than Kang and Kodos.
"Speaking at a press conference on Wednesday, Trump said: "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press."
I personally have little doubt that Israelis, French, Germans, Brazilians, Mexicans and Iranians have also hacked into US government computers, and that at least the Israelis, French, Germans had success.
>> So Trump is merely asking the Russians to look at their copy of the emails that have since been deleted from US government and Clinton personal mail servers, copies they made back before the emails and backups were deleted.
It would be pointless to ask them to hack in and find the emails on US government servers now, they're all deleted from US government and Clinton private email servers. <<
Now, the USA has publicly stated that federal agencies can legally break into foreign computer systems, including foreign government computer systems, and the intelligence services of other countries are all federal agencies, and to them US computer systems are all foreign computer systems.
The USA has set the precedent that it is legal.
Nobody at the NSA went to jail. The US does not consider it a criminal act for one government to hack into another government's computer systems. Rather, when discovered it is just a case for diplomatic tit-for-tat gestures.
"Rather, when discovered it is just a case for diplomatic tit-for-tat gestures."
Unless you have special insider knowledge (in which case, why are you wasting time commenting here when you could be making bank undermining international diplomacy?), what you're saying isn't even proveable. Growing up with a parent in, ahem, national security-related business, one of the tenets I learned is that most of the most egregious cyberespionage stuff is never going to go near the light of day even to people in the business (i.e., diplomats), much less the general public. It's that whole "need to know" concept that's a bedrock principle of Spookland.
Sort of expected The Register to stick to the main point here:
The awful attitudes toward information security as demonstrated by the democratic party and the obama administration. The data losses have been staggering the last few years.
Instead, the journo only engages in tiresome 'misunderstanding' of one of Trumps 'funny tweets'. Dem's plan of misdirection is bloody obvious. Let's talk about anything other than how dnc shafted Bernie.
Come on The Register, you can do better, focus on the real issues of information security.
The awful attitudes toward information security as demonstrated by the democratic party and the obama administration. The data losses have been staggering the last few years.
It's more of a problem of government in general being behind the times in terms of information security.
Maybe because they don't have the budget to implement properly?
Instead, the journo only engages in tiresome 'misunderstanding' of one of Trumps 'funny tweets'. Dem's plan of misdirection is bloody obvious. Let's talk about anything other than how dnc shafted Bernie.
Misdirection and personal attacks are what Trump uses to deflect attention from himself..
For example, where are his tax returns?
Trumps "funny tweets" are, as many have noticed, just to get free media attention.
Oh, and notice how he's a master of unclearness and innuendo?
No, actually he didn't.
The "Missing Messages" were on a private, non-government server, thus any hacking would not have been against the government, just his "competition".
Secondly, after having listened to the interview, as opposed to the media reports, he did NOT ask Russia to hack anything. The only way they could deliver the "missing emails" were if they already had them. Which, and lets be honest, every government with a cyber espionage division already has them (including the NSA) and if there were any "smoking guns" they probably would have leaked by now.
Trump may be an idiot, but so are the media outlets and individuals misreporting this story. If anything, this is one of those stories that acts as a bellwether, clearly show the biases of the American press. Didn't really expect that here... but not overly surprised.
You're correct. The emails were deleted by Hillary's staff and the hard drives scrubbed. Hacking the computer now would accomplish nothing since the emails aren't there. The computer is probably still in FBI custody and not connected to the internet so it'd be impossible to do anyway.
You're correct. The emails were deleted by Hillary's staff and the hard drives scrubbed. Hacking the computer now would accomplish nothing since the emails aren't there. The computer is probably still in FBI custody and not connected to the internet so it'd be impossible to do anyway.
I absoutely love the guy! In a world that is getting destroyed by political correctness and a sick tendency to not wanting to see any problems at all, anywhere in society, Trump says what he thinks without euphemisms and look where it has taken him! =)
It gives me great joy to see all political correct socialists and journalists scream in agony as soon as Trump says something politically incorrect. He is the first politician in a long time that I actually bothered to listen to.
Walls and immigration stop? Come on... take it with a grain of salt, and should there be a drop in immigration, no one will die.
NATO? That is actually in the contract. Trump is saying that if you want to be in NATO and enjoy the benefits, then pay what you're supposed to pay. The US cannot act as world police and pay for everyone, that just leads to free riders. Nothing shocking there.
Among the commentards on this three have been several, including this one from an AC, which make the same point. For convenience, I copy them below.
The similarities seem to be name-calling (howler monkeys appears more than once), seeing everything as 'political correctness' (i.e. anything that would refer to or support or even to promote women, non-white people, gay people, etc and consider this as fine), to see the Government as source of waste and evil (which somehow is full of lazy pen-pushers but not food inspectors and postal workers and the CIA and FBI), and the wish to stop being bothered by all these issues and to 'tell it like it is'.
The hatred for HRC is startling, the contempt for anyone not straight white men is interesting, and yet it is clear that the world is run by straight men, mostly white, and so why on earth are they worrying? HRC will not change this reality. Why is here so much anger? What is it that these people think is being taken away from them? Guys: you are still completely dominant. A few more female and brown faces need not send you into a fury. Or is it that anything less than 100% is the world going to hell in a handbasket?
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TRUMP ROCKS YOUR SOCKS OFF!
Get over it!
Additionally,. he's probably the only thing that stands between us and nuclear war with Russia.
But then again, humanity ending because the politically correct thing to do is to vote for a mendacious imperial neocon that happens to be female (though sadly not black and gay, one cannot have everything) is just a cynical glimmer in God's scheme of things.
See me not care.
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"Honestly, who is better qualified to run the free world?"
How about the one who wants to make America BETTER? Not pandering to groups, dividing people by race and religion, showing favoritism to certain races, religions, behaviors etc. and paying groups of people with "other people's money" in order to purchase their votes. Yes, that would be 'Business as Usual' for the Demo-Rat party, and the ones who run it, i.e. the Clint-stones and (formerly) Debbie "Blabbermouth" Schultz.
I'd say TRUMP is better qualified.
Trump already wants to lower tax rates, make 'gummint' (so-called because it nearly always GUMS THINGS UP) more business friendly [so we can have JOBS instead of 'unemployment' or 'welfare'], and THEN go after the gummint WASTE FRAUD AND ABUSE to make the annual budget actually go DOWN for once. I can hardly wait for a bunch of gummint dweebs that merely punch a clock everyday, and spend 'work' time surfing the intarweb all day, to get those pink notices from Trump's administration: YOU'RE FIRED! And the national debt - doubled under Obaka - needs to be dealt with as well. I'm sure Mrs. Clinton would TRIPLE IT.
But I digress...
Trump's habit of saying whatever the hell he wants to say is actually *REFRESHING*, particularly for people like *ME* who are *SICK* and *FORNICATING* *TIRED* of "political correctness" and the hypersensitive chip-on-shoulder HOWLER MONKEYS who go into full poo-sling mode every time they even THINK they (or anyone else) *might* be offended. Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Exactly! Only free to say what the howler monkeys LET you say according to P.C.. And I know that *I* am sick of it, and seeing Trump say this stuff and *CHANGE* *THE* *NARRATIVE* every time just makes me smile...
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Looks like the Clintonite Hasbara has arrived. Thinkprogress.org shall be pumped into every home!
The hatred for HRC is startling
I don't see why "hating" a burnt-out (and possibly psychopathic) neocon, product of the imperial city, promising four more years of the same of bullshit (or worse, quite likely worse) is "startling".
The record of HRC speaks for itself.
Where do the "politicial correctness" elements come in? It's because La Clinton uses them in a fully conscious way. Instead of promoting good policy and bring new stuff to the table, it's "Vote for Me, I'm a Woman - Please disregard the rest of my shit!".
Woman should be at home and tend her garden.
More commentary from the decidedly not-conservative / not-republican Consortiumnews:
The Fear of Hillary’s Foreign Policy
The Democratic convention leaves one with an uneasy sense of déjà vu about the potential foreign policy direction of a second Clinton presidency. We’ve seen this movie before and we know how it turns out: badly.
The mood among some of the Democratic Party’s foreign policy cognoscenti here is one of an unadulterated smugness bred of certainty mixed with a sense of global entitlement. One Democratic U.S. senator lamented to a roomful of well-heeled donors and foreign policy experts on Monday that the U.S. had “lost” Ukraine. Lost? Was it ever America’s to begin with?
Yet the Democratic Party’s foreign policy elites are certain that that is so. They are also certain Donald Trump is dead wrong about everything; they are certain NATO is the “cornerstone” of American national security and therefore any criticism of the alliance is “dangerous”; and many are certain that the Republican nominee is the Kremlin’s very own Manchurian candidate.
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton may well be the most qualified candidate for the nation’s highest office since George H.W. Bush, but there the comparisons end. Clinton is not running to extend the Obama legacy (whatever that may be) but to extend the Clinton legacy, and this should worry us deeply.
I don't want to read the biblical tea leaves but...
Assuming the author is from the USA, I see this as a sad indictment of the failure of US health care. In a sensible society he would have got psychiatric help to deal with his obvious anger issues and inability to see issues in proportion.
'Hating' a politician in most modern democracies certainly should be startling; disliking, not voting for, arguing with, are rational responses. Hate suggests that actually you can't make a rational argument. Sadly encouraging hate for the other has always been a way for unscrupulous individuals to elicit the support of large groups without having to actually put forward coherent policies of their own.
Even the MSM notices what's up:
Grand Theft Convention.
No, that's not a new video game. But it is what we just saw Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump do to the Democrats and Hillary Clinton, and the Democrats and Hillary Clinton are helping him do it!
During about an hour-long news conference earlier Wednesday, Trump was asked repeatedly about allegations that the Russian government is behind the hacked and leaked Democratic National Committee's emails that embarrassed the party on the eve of their national convention in Philadelphia. Trump quickly pivoted to also discussing Clinton's private email-server controversy and the 30,000-plus emails the former Secretary of State had deleted from her private server under questionable explanations and circumstances.
Advantage Trump.
Then came the money quote, or the bait, when he said: "Russia, if you're listening,I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing; I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press."
That comment was sure to grab headlines all on its own, but then the Clinton campaign incredibly took the bait and had a top policy advisor respond with this statement: "This has to be the first time that a major presidential candidate has actively encouraged a foreign power to conduct espionage against his political opponent."
Advantage Trump.
Wise words indeed.
Like never feed the troll.....
The Hillary love fest at the DNC continued unabated while Rome burned.
DNC chairman steps down amidst charges of favoritism.
Everyone now gets a fresh reminder of HRC's sloppy data security habits.
For the first time, I clicked on a link detailing the rather checkered history of the Clintonian years.
For the first time, I am beginning to think DJT is the least worst option.
And now the Democrats are trying to make Donald Trump look like a security risk,
It's dirty, smelly mud-slinging at its worst. But it will confirm many people's worst fears and may even backfire on the Dems.
Advantage Trump indeed. He might look and sound like a bufoon, but don't be fooled. He could win on points.
This would be tough, the e-mail server is in the custody of the FBI and should be quarantined to protect the "data from being tampered with" in case they turn up evidence.
The request for "releasing what you have already found" is not treason if it is evidence of a criminal act.
But, that evidence would be useless in court, chain of custody could not be verified.
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Arguing for a flaw in the chain of custody may be successful and it may not. It's not so simple. In my experience, if the judge wants to convict, he rules that the chain is "sufficiently intact" - unless a clearly required signature is missing or something.
Even if they find an error, they can rule that it didn't reach to the level that would require disqualifying the evidence.
Now, in computer cases, the data may zip anywhere. That usually doesn't stop it from being used. There are different standards for data cases. For example,something simply being on a computer is usually considered possession of it. However, it's well known plenty can end up on a drive without the physical owner's permission.
It might make good TV but at the end of the day countries need governing and governing is mostly mundane details, building roads, getting garbage collected, educating children. Trump has no coherent policies, a track record of basically selling cheap glitzy trash and self publicity.
It might well be that I would vote for him on reality TV show for amusement (the John Sergeant Strictly Come Dancing principle) - but for a real job that matters?
And if you think his statements on NATO aren't shocking, then maybe type 'appeasement' into Google. Rather ironic when Estonia is the 3rd largest 'payer' by proportion.
I genuinely feel heart sorry for the American people, but this is one of those times.
On the one hand they have a fairly unpleasant Politico, bred for the purpose of trying to become the first female POTUS and all the crooked nastiness that any "designed" Political Dynasties comes with.
On the other they have Donald. A man more bonkers than Screaming Lord Sutch with absolutely none of the grace and humour of the man, and to my mind a fucking dark side (encouraging his supporters to beat up the opposition... history has seen that before and it never ends well).
An unpleasant crook or an unpleasant congenital lunatic. USA is fucked either way.
As for "colluding with Foreign Intelligence Agencies", please, no, he didn't, not based on that outburst. Not saying he wouldn't if he thought it would benefit him, probably call it "price of doing business", but one of his bonkers outbursts does not equal colluding/encouraging.
It is a larger problem to not know the extent of Hillary's transgressions prior to the election, than to see what emails she exposed.
You are merely being a vulture picking at things as an excuse to hate, when this is only a response to what has already gone wrong with government, their scheming and lack of transparency then feeding the public LIES.
The difference between Hillary and Donald is that Donald tells the truth even if you don't like it, while Hillary tells you sweet lies while robbing you blind, then no matter how bad it gets, then you area all the more desperate for another sweet lie.
This is a continuation of the Obama administration if Hillary gets elected. Now we are on the verge of race wars, of having terrorists attacking us and our allies, a continuation of the degradation of our economy, and fewer and fewer middle class wage earners able to support themselves instead of having public assistance programs control their lives.
This is not what America used to stand for. Perhaps you are too young to remember. Our forefathers did not fight world wars for us to just turn over our lives to leftist control freaks who want to give away the spoils of our country to foreigners who left their own country because they couldn't make a good living there and were desperate.
It is time for all honorable citizens to take back America. That starts with honesty, not attacking someone because they are honest. Better to deal with what you know than be stabbed in the back.
"foreigners who left their own country because they couldn't make a good living there and were desperate."
Isn't that the start of modern America? On your statue of Liberty :
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
The Times has this, this morning:
"Republican national security experts warned that Donald Trump’s freewheeling rhetoric could provoke “an accidental war” if he became president after the tycoon suggested that he would recognise Russian rule in Crimea.
Asked if he would recognise Russia’s annexation of Crimea and lift US sanctions on Moscow, Mr Trump said: “Yes, we would be looking at that.”
He made the comment during a press conference in Florida on Wednesday..."
Anyone going to tell me he didn't say that?
If he did he's an even bigger arsehole than I thought.
Wait, this is the best bit :
“Donald Trump says he gets his foreign policy experience from watching TV and running the Miss Universe pageant,” Mr Panetta said. “If only it were funny.”
After being hammered by the press about any possible links to Putin, Trump jokingly referred to Russia as a possible source to find Hillary's illegally deleted emails. It would be nice to find them whatever the source. The FBI said it was likely Hillary's careless approach to government secrets. If Russia, or any other country has her deletions, please release them. We need to see the true face of Clinton corruption.
What a blatantly biased article. Asking someone to find illegally deleted emails is not asking that someone to hack the US government. Besides, he specifically said "Russia or whoever". Ridiculous. The real issue is that Hillary deleted the emails when they were already declared as evidence. Russia has nothing to do with it.
Trump has plenty of things worthy of criticism, but this is not one. Indeed, all these reaching attacks by the media have made me move toward him. At least he will have a hostile media. Hillary will have paid servants tailoring the propaganda.
I'm voting _against_ Hillary. I'd rather have immaturity than evil.
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