back to article Data retention grants still not flowing to Australia telcos

Australia's telcos and internet service providers still have not been told when they will receive promised grants to help them implement mandatory metadata collection. Australia passed metadata retention laws in 2015 and they came into force on October 13th, 2015, albeit with a two-year grace period in which to satisfy the …

  1. Adam 1

    That reminds me; my VPN subscription renewal is due.

    1. nicholasporison

      Which vpn you have subscribed like purevpn, hma, ivacy etc ?

    2. czthomas

      A. A VPN encrypts nothing whatsoever that is subject to Data Retention.

      B. the people running the VPN will readily hand over your private data to foreign governments or gangsters if they see a profit in doing so.

      C. Some VPNs have been setup specifically for the purpose of stealing unsuspecting customers' private data in order to hijack their computers to use as hacking proxies.

  2. Winkypop Silver badge

    Malcolm in the muddle

    Apparently all you need is "innovation", oh and Jobs and Growth [TM]

  3. MrDamage

    No Money, No Retention.

    As per title. If the govt backtracks on the payment scheme, then the ISPs have every right to refuse to implement the Orwell Protocol.

    1. Mark 85 Silver badge

      Re: No Money, No Retention.

      That might work. So might the carrier handing them a bill every time the government wants some of that data.

      1. czthomas

        Re: No Money, No Retention.

        No Retention, fines.

        The legal onus is on the telco to keep proper billing records, not on the government to pay them anything to do so.

    2. czthomas

      Re: No Money, No Retention.

      No, the ISPs have no such right.

      This kind of playground thinking is precisely the reason why the government had to introduce a new Bill to update the 1978 Act and make it clear to even the most simple-minded or irrational that telecomms service providers are obliged to keep proper records and to cooperate with law enforcement when requested.

      In 1978 we had adults in charge who understood this perfectly. Fast forward 35 years and a horde of simple-minded overgrown children have been molly-coddled all the way into supposed adulthood without ever being made aware of the concepts of reason and responsibility and they need a nanny-state to tell them the facts of life.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What money?

    Why do the ISP believe they're going to get any money? When will they accept the fact they've been BS'd by our politicians? It happens to all of us.

    The best they can hope for is the promise of some amount of money with an equally large "application fee" deducted from it.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Start archiving the encrypted data to an overseas 'cloud' that will purge the data if not paid in full.

    Send in a letter reminding them of the consequences of late /delinquent payment (s).

    Better yet, send the data to a USA server, and suggest that if they want anything, the USA may help them out, if the USA based company implements a commercial decision.

    Or set up a data holding company, that declares insolvency if bills are not paid on time, with multinational style thin capitalization with penalty clauses that generates tax effective outcomes for the parent.

    ISP's are not a charity nor suffer debtors.Get a court action for breach of something to make it all legal..

    1. czthomas

      Ludicrous suggestions.

      It is the Telcos' legal responsibility to keep proper billing records.

      The government is under no obligation to subsidise them to carry out their business properly and in accordance with the law in the first place.

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