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What Brexit means for you as a motorist
The UK has voted in favour of leaving the European Union and in the past few days the markets have reacted violently, plunging the pound to its lowest level against the US dollar since the mid-1980s. Nobody’s really sure what the future holds for the UK or for its economy, but the referendum result has gone against the wishes …
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 10:22 GMT Anonymous Coward
@J.R.
Exactly.
Isn't it odd how us in Holland get the same "motivation speeches"? What could the Brexit mean for us: more costs, it'll be harder to go to England, it'll be much harder to get back, etc, etc.
Basically: "Gas prices in Holland will go up when the Brexit happens" a Dutch news article once claimed. To which I had an obvious question: "So if we don't get a Brexit would that be a guarantee that the prices will remain the same?".
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 16:41 GMT Martin Summers
Exactly what I was thinking. The whole article is full of if could might and expected and totally ignoring the 'will' in the paragraph heading. Mostly all doom and gloom. Fact is the markets and the pound are rallying after an initial spooking, as people have realised that oh look the world as we know it hasn't ended and life has to go on as normal.
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Monday 4th July 2016 12:30 GMT paulf
@ Martin Summers
"Fact is the markets and the pound are rallying after an initial spooking"
Not entirely. Right now (Mon 4 July) Sterling is about £1:$1.32690 which is lower against USD than it was on Fri 24 June after the initial fall as the result became clear.
As for the "markets" which I'll take as company share values. These are priced in Sterling (pence) but, in the case of the FTSE100 at least, they represent a load of companies that earn much of their gross revenue in foreign currencies. So perhaps the share price for $MegaGBCorp has, nominally, returned to the same level in pence that it was around 22 June but on 22 June Sterling was around £1:$1.48 whereas now £1:$1.33 or roughly 11% below the referendum value. The point is the market has inherently priced in the lower value of sterling which lifts the shares in their native devalued currency.
It's staggering how many people don't get this relationship - that the hammered currency is priced into the share price "rally" but this is a fact lost on Financial "Journalists" working at pro-leave papers too <coughs>Daily Heil</coughs>.
If a currency adjusted net drop of 11% is what you call a rally I dread to think what you'd call a crash!
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 09:09 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: On the plus side...
Duty free was a total fallacy. What about the really severe limits on what you can bring back eh?
Two bottles of plonk or one of the hard stuff. Really? This a step forward?
Oh, and don't forget about having to pay for a visa to go on your hols. A Visa for France (in the schengen area) could cost you £70 (if they take pounds) each.
Then we will get to exchange controls. As intriduced by the Wilson Gov to stem the flow of cash from this country. This will limit how much you can take with you when you leave the country.
Think that this is all pie in the sky? Well, given the lack of a plan the the Breiteers for when they won (like the Iraq war...) and the mood in the EU to stick it to us all those promises about negociating a deal with the EU will be impossible. They could even give us 'unfavouable' nation status.
What price a few bottles of duty free plonk eh?
What price all the jobs that will head over to Europe?
What price the 3 Million unemployed eh?
IMHO, this was a totally stupid decision and I'm in the age group that was supposed to have voted out.
I didn't so don't blame me for the mess this country becomes.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 10:01 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: On the plus side... (bloody US operates a visa waiver for the UK)
I would like to point kindly, that the US visa waiver application form is at least 70% identical with a US visa application form.
On top of which, in both cases you can be kicked out on entry with no real appeal procedure. Don't ask me why, it's because.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 11:59 GMT JohnMurray
Re: On the plus side... (bloody US operates a visa waiver for the UK)
Because of the long list of exemptions from the VWP...
Which includes traffic convictions...and certain diseases..
And they do know, because of information exchange between the UK and US.
And they will know lots more as soon as the EU stops interfering in us giving personal data away to Uncle Sam/Tom/ETC
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 12:33 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: US visa waiver application form is at least 70% identical with a US visa application form.
The application forms are similar, but the costs and procedures are definitively not.
My wife has a Japanese passport, she is eligible for the waiver. I have a Brazilian one, and am not eligible.
She can do the whole application online for 14 bucks. After two days she gets the reply, print it, and it is done.
I must pay around 140 just for scheduling the interview, then I must travel to a city where they have an embassy or consulate, then wait hours, then wait for one or two weeks to get the visa stamped on the passport. In some cases they may even ask for additional documents like statements from employers and the manager of the bank where I have my account in.
I don't recall if the visa is valid for 5 or 10 years, and for how long the ESTA authorization is valid. But definitively the procedure is not the same.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 10:48 GMT P. Lee
Re: On the plus side...
So many contradictory statements, no arguments, no evidence... no meaning.
>Duty Free for anyone travelling between the UK and the EU...
or they might just do the sensible things and say, "carry on as before," pretty much as is the response in every single area.
Hello Bong? I've got your nephew Ryan here. He says he works for you.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 08:48 GMT Anonymous Coward
With all these "what does brexit mean to you as a ....." articles everywhere is anyone else thinking of the suggestions from DeepThought to Majicthise and Vroomfondle in H2GT2G?
"Get yourself on the pundit circuit, go on the chat shows and the colour supplements and violently disagree with each other about how brexit might work. And if you get yourselves clever agents, you’ll be on the gravy train for life."
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 10:30 GMT itzman
Re: So essentially
Anyone who thought good would come five days after the vote had seriously not understood things. On the optimistic scenarios, then maybe in five or ten years. Possibly. Perhaps.
But lots of good stuff is happening:
Cameron is toast,
Corbyn has revealed what sort of swine he really is
Labour is toast.
We get to see Farage hammering it to the EU apparatchiks, and them revealing what swine they are too.
We get to see Scotland grovelling to the EU, and being told to eff off.
We get to see BBC 'experts' being wrong, then wrong again, and finally completely wrong.
And to cap it all there is the possibility the whole EU itself could implode.
Bob Geldof will never be taken seriously again.
It's like a massive episode of 'Little Europe' - 'The people say 'Noooowooo''
The gift that keeps on giving.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 12:46 GMT Voland's right hand
Re: So essentially
Here we see Scotland being told to eff off by the EU:
Not quite. In fact not at all.
Scotland was very clearly told that it will not get anything as long as it in any shape or form is a part of a non-Eu UK. It has to reapply for Eu status as an independent country outside Uk. That process is dependent on having your laws and regulations assessed as compatible with Eu. This is why it takes 5-7 years. Now, what is the time to assess the laws and regulations which are already compliant and compatible and have not changed?
Asking once... asking twice... asking thrice...
So frankly, the only thing which separates Scotland once it declares independence from Eu membership is the two votes in the commission and Eu parliament provided that it does it immediately and forces the issue to a vote as well as forces the "compatibility check" to a vote. The Spanish and the Belgians would love to obstruct it, but in reality, they cannot.
It is quite entertaining, by "not interfering" in UK internal politics, the EU has just thrown a barrel bomb into the middle of it.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 15:17 GMT codejunky
Re: So essentially
@ Voland's right hand
"the only thing which separates Scotland once it declares independence from Eu membership is the two votes in the commission and Eu parliament"
Also their deficit has to be 3% of GDP or less (or at least getting there). And as a new member will have to agree to join the Euro.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 22:20 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: So essentially (Hadrians Wall)
The party (shortly to replace the conservative party once labour kills itself off) will build it to 'control' immigration from an EU Scotland). At the English taxpayers expense of course, so they decide to tax popcorn...
If Scotland leaves, pressure will start building between north and south England IMO.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 17:10 GMT Voland's right hand
Re: So essentially
Also their deficit has to be 3% of GDP or less (or at least getting there). And as a new member will have to agree to join the Euro.
Correct, however they are not obliged to comply with either one of these requirements day one. They can join the Eu by showing a compliance plan and a roadmap on these two.
The first one is something they need to figure out if they are to go independent anyway. No way around it.
The second one is something the Scottish voters have to be aware of when voting.
That is a relatively minor hurdle compared to overhauling you border system, criminal code, law enforcement, health and safety regs, discrimination regs, demonstrating success in beating the mob and the grey economy, etc. This is off the top of my head - what Bulgaria and Romania had to go through as the most recent arrivals. Both did not need to join the Euro, just declare an intent. Bulgaria can execute on it any time they like, they are just not bothered:
So "declaration of intent to join the Euro" clearly does not mean joining it even when you possess the fiscal discipline to have the capacity to do so.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 12:18 GMT lorisarvendu
Re: So essentially
"But lots of good stuff is happening:
Cameron is toast,
Corbyn has revealed what sort of swine he really is
Labour is toast.
We get to see Farage hammering it to the EU apparatchiks, and them revealing what swine they are too.
We get to see Scotland grovelling to the EU, and being told to eff off.
We get to see BBC 'experts' being wrong, then wrong again, and finally completely wrong.
And to cap it all there is the possibility the whole EU itself could implode.
Bob Geldof will never be taken seriously again.
It's like a massive episode of 'Little Europe' - 'The people say 'Noooowooo''
The gift that keeps on giving."
Oh well, in that case I don't mind my standard of living dropping, unemployment going up, and generally everything costing me more, just so long as you've had a good laugh.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 12:37 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: So essentially
"We get to see Farage hammering it to the EU apparatchiks, and them revealing what swine they are too."
You obviously didn't see the programme I did. In the one I saw, the school leaver at 16 who was found a job by Daddy blanket accused MEPs of never having had proper jobs - untrue - and generally behaved like a spoilt little kid having a tantrum. He ended up by telling them to grow up, something he has resisted doing since he was in short trousers. He was, in fact, being rude to MEPs who had been elected, not unelected civil servants.
As one MEP remarked, the biggest waste in the EU has been 17 years of Farage's salary.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 17:25 GMT fruitoftheloon
@Voyna i Mor: Re: So essentially
Voyna,
so what do you think of the items in the speech re the failed currency and the f'ed youth generation of southern europe re their employment prospects (which OOI was the main reason why I voted out).
Do you think many MEPs have much actual experience of the real world vis-a-vis Joe/Jane Doe in Euroland???
So what would you have the EC do differently?
Cheers,
jay
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Thursday 30th June 2016 08:27 GMT codejunky
Re: So essentially
@ John Brown (no body)
"You forgot to mention the bit where EU reps basically called Farage a liar for his Brexit campaign, which was amusing."
I have to laugh when the pot calls the kettle. Except Farage played a pretty honest campaign while both official campaigns were so amazingly FUD I seriously suspected the official Leave campaign to be some sort of trojan horse effort. Until I realised they didnt set the bar any lower than the FUD from the remain side.
Regardless of the winner this wasnt a referendum we can be proud of.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 12:01 GMT Voland's right hand
Re: So essentially
Yes and no. The article is retarded to the extreme and incompetent to the extreme.
The underlying root cause for the so called "Eu insurance expense" is the fact that a Eu country insurance includes a mandatory 3rd party cover and mandatory validity for at least 3 months a year in ALL European countries and Turkey with the exception of Albania, Belorussia, Kosovo and Albania. With its secession from Serbia, Monte-Negro dropped out of the insurance mechanism, but AFAIK it is trying to (if not already) get back.
Being outside the Eu does _NOT_ remove this expense. It is part of the standard insurance terms for the whole continent now, not just the Eu.
So first of all, going outside the Eu will reduce the local insurance costs _ONLY_ if a country also leaves the entire European (not Eu) insurance pool and insurance validity treaties and exchange mechanisms. Going outside the Eu does not change a thing.
If this happens, this means we will be back to car green cards for everything and the corresponding decrease in validity of cover abroad and massive increase in costs. If that happens, you will see the truckers set the house of parliament on fire with Boris nailed up to the front gate with tools from the truck toolkit on the next day. They will be supported by any industry which depends on trucks to move their goods around.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 17:20 GMT fruitoftheloon
@AC: Re: So essentially
Dear AC,
a lot of good 'has come of this' - quite a lot of folk in the Euroland theme park have realised that maybe they can have a voice....
Of course it is way too early to say exactly what the +/- items are, anyone who says otherwise is telling pork pies...
But plusses and minuses there certainly will be...
JAy
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 08:51 GMT Conrad Longmore
Passport, driving licence validity
Where your driving licence will be valid in the UK, there's a possibility that it will not be valid in Europe. Even more likely, the EU-style passport may not be valid for travel to EU countries at least, because travellers will no longer have the rights and privileges of being an EU citizen.. that will be something the EU will have to decide.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 09:30 GMT james 68
Re: Passport, driving licence validity
EU flag on it? so what?
It doesn't have a Japanese flag on it, yet the Japanese not only accept it at full face value but will happily give you a Japanese licence of the same grade without you needing to take any kind of test. If the Euros don't accept it then it wont be because of a little flag, it'll be because of sheer bloodymindedness.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 12:08 GMT PatientOne
Re: Passport, driving licence validity
"who do you think taught it to us during the Norman occupation?"
The Norse Men*.
That's where Norman came from. They were Norse mercenaries who fought for the Franc King and were granted land in payment. That land became known as Normandy.
Sorry, you thought the Francish invaded? No, I think they're one of the few who failed. They only managed to take what we call France from the Gauls...
* for reference, Horrible Histories can be very informative :p
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 21:26 GMT Lars
Re: Passport, driving licence validity
@ PatientOne
While I agree very much that history is interesting it still gets a bit silly if we try to build our ego on the past.
England wouldn't be England without the Normans and English wouldn't be English either, without the 10.000 words they brought with them (it wasn't all Danish). And what England had in France was all lost to (insert word of your choice here).
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Sunday 10th July 2016 10:31 GMT james 68
Re: Passport, driving licence validity
@PatientOne
French descendants of the Norwegian mercenaries, they had been living in France for a couple of generations at that point and had integrated into French society and were governed by the French royals. So in conclusion, yes, it was a French invasion by French subjects.
Horrible Histories is indeed very good in a generalised sense, but not as informative as you think, they tend to leave a lot of information out to fit a narrative into a short book on the assumption that the missing information will be filled in by either schoolwork or personal study.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 11:45 GMT james 68
Re: Passport, driving licence validity
"France has tabled a motion to have English removed as an official language in the EU. So if you want to have your UK driving licence recgnised as valid in the EU, once the UK has completed #Brexit, it will have to be printed in French."
Or not....
Because that would annoy the Americans, whose licences are also valid for limited periods in the EU along with other English speaking countries like Australia, New Zealand, Canada and funnily enough Ireland, Ireland being an EU member who's primary language is... wait for it... English. Do try and think before typing.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 15:09 GMT CommanderGalaxian
Re: Passport, driving licence validity
"Our old friend Mr Worstall has already covered the French and the language issue. Not likely to happen, how do Germans and Spaniards currently converse at the EU? Not in French....".
English will not be an official EU language after #Brexit:
http://www.politico.eu/article/english-will-not-be-an-official-eu-language-after-brexit-senior-mep/
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 11:30 GMT Mephistro
Re: Passport, driving licence validity(@ Conrad Longmore)
Why all those downvotes? Unless all the parties involved act as responsible adults -something really difficult in this context, as has been already demonstrated to exhaustion with all this Brexit brouhaha- the best you can expect a priori is a chance similar to flipping a coin.
Please consider a similar scenario, where Scotland leaves the UK. Would be Scottish citizens allowed to use UK passports in the remaining UK territories? Same thing here.
And before someone starts talking about the economic interests involved, please take in account that all the parties involved -leavers,remainers and the EU itself- have shown a marked tendency to shoot themselves in the foot, repeatedly.
Of course, an easy solution to this issue would be the UK govt. swapping the old EU passports for the new UK ones for free and with minimum hassle for citizens. But again, past experiences don't give too much hope of this happening.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 12:17 GMT Wupspups
Re: Passport, driving licence validity(@ Conrad Longmore)
Of course, an easy solution to this issue would be the UK govt. swapping the old EU passports for the new UK ones for free and with minimum hassle for citizens. But again, past experiences don't give too much hope of this happening.
I bet they charge twice as much as a standard 10 year renewal.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 11:56 GMT Alan Edwards
Re: Passport, driving licence validity
My UK driving licence is good enough to get me a hire car in America, why would France be any different?
There is also the International Driving Permit, which all of Europe is signed up to or at least recognises. Good for a year, costs £5.50 at the Post Office.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 12:28 GMT James 51
Re: Passport, driving licence validity
Your (I am assuming) UK driving license is valid in France under EU law/treaties etc etc. Depending on how far outside of the EU we stray, that particular law/treaty etc etc might not apply any more. In which case the Brexit team has two years to negotiate an international treaty with the EU, have it signed and ratified and perhaps have laws passed in twenty eight countries to implement it. With the two years cause I don't see that deadline being extended. That's why your driving license might not be valid in France or twenty six other countries in a few years time.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 21:51 GMT John Brown (no body)
Re: Passport, driving licence validity
"Will UK licences and passports be valid after the UK no longer exists? I.e., when N.I. & Scotland go their separate ways..."
Slightly less minor point. It's not just "the UK". It's the United Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The "United Kingdom" bit refers the union of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland so if Scotland leaves, the remainder becomes Great Britain and Northern Ireland. If the two Irelands unify, we become Great Britain. Wales is a principality in doesn't really come into the name of the country at all. Even England alone could carry on using the name "Great Britain" as the largest portion of the area/Island once knows as "Greater Britain" in the same way the United States of America means one country and doesn't include the sovereign states of Canada or Mexico.
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Thursday 30th June 2016 08:37 GMT James 51
Re: Passport, driving licence validity
I always thought that the Great Britain part was Scotland, England and Wales as the 'great' part was an issue with multiple islands near by having the same name and the largest was called great <island name>. If that is accurate I doubt rUK or England and Wales would be able to accurately use the term Great Britain to describe themselves.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 18:53 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Passport, driving licence validity
Your (I am assuming) UK driving license is valid in France under EU law/treaties
Well, you know what they say about assume...
Under EU law licenses are equivalent.
Under non-EU law they are valid. That's why a US license holder can drive in France on their US license, but (apart from 3 or 4 states) they can't exchange it for a French licence if they move to live there.
Post-brexit a UK driver won't be able to swap their licence for a French one, but they will be able to drive in the EU using it.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 08:51 GMT Phil O'Sophical
Speculation
Nobody’s really sure what the future holds for the UK or for its economy
here’s a quick rundown of how leaving the European Union will affect you
Don't you mean might affect you?
British drivers may need to have their passports stamped at border crossings
Oh noes, not just inspected but actually stamped as well? There are no border crossings within the Schengen area (well, except for all those where EU countries have just re-imposed them due to the migrant crisis) so this will only apply at the entry points like Dover & Calais, where passports are already inspected. Just as they currently may be at the French/Swiss border, the French/Belgian border, etc.
As for finance, British motorists get a pretty good deal already, you'll never find a 0% interest deal in France, for example, because it's not legal under French law, so it clearly isn't EU law driving that. If Germany wants to keep it's biggest European market happy it might even offer better deals to UK drivers over time.
There may also be some positive outcomes. The plan to exchange info on speeding tickets will probably fall, so if you're flashed by a camera on a French autoroute you'll not find yourself getting points on your UK licence.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 09:17 GMT gv
Re: Speculation
"If Germany wants to keep it's biggest European market happy it might even offer better deals to UK drivers over time."
It's likely that the EU will impose tariffs (to discourage others from exiting), so my guess would be that German cars would become more reassuringly expensive.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 11:01 GMT Peter Gathercole
Re: Speculation
Rare would be welcome.
On my way to work yesterday, I was on the A34 southbound overtaking the commercial vehicles, in a stream of three BMWs immediately in front of me, and at least two behind!
BTW, I'm in something that could, just, be described as a British car, although it is a little elderly.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 13:53 GMT Lars
Re: a "car made in the UK" will become a rare thing.
"Have you told NIssan and Toyota and Jaguar that? To name but three."
Not a response to any particular person. But it goes without saying that those companies have prepared for a Brexit since the beginning. The Japanese PM warned about it before the election.
What could one expect then. NIssan has a factory in Spain and Toyota in Poland, France, Portugal, and the Czech Republic.
If those companies produce cars in the UK for the EU market, why would they not cut down in the UK if they profit from it.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 09:08 GMT wolfetone
Nearly a week in to Brexit, the fact insurance MAY go down is the only good thing to come out of all this.
Also, there is a new rule in regards to non-EU cars driving in the EU. Lots of people renting cars in Switzerland and driving in to France etc are getting slapped with massive fines.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 11:25 GMT Phil O'Sophical
Also, there is a new rule in regards to non-EU cars driving in the EU. Lots of people renting cars in Switzerland and driving in to France etc are getting slapped with massive fines.
Goit a source for that ludicrous claim? Switzerland is in Schengen, and in the EEA.
Are you sure you're not confusing it with cars rented in France being driven on Swiss autoroutes without paying for the little Swiss toll sticker? That will net you a hefty fine.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 12:09 GMT Voland's right hand
Goit a source for that ludicrous claim? Switzerland is in Schengen, and in the EEA.
It is not ludicrous, it is an interpretation of one of the most recent Eu directives on hire and rental cars.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/may/28/eu-citizens-car-hire-switzerland
It is a nasty protectionist measure to ensure that you cannot get an out-of-Eu hire contract car for use in Eu. So as far as Brexit this will affect most company cars as they are officially on a hire/lease agreement - you do not own them. It will become effectively impossible to take them abroad.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 12:30 GMT Phil O'Sophical
It is a nasty protectionist measure to ensure that you cannot get an out-of-Eu hire contract car for use in Eu.
It looks much more like some over-zealous lawyers misinterpreting some carelessly-drafted regulations.
The document covers import/export of goods, and it's probably article 215 that's causing the confusion. The document seems to refer to EU residents (not citizens) who use a non-EU registered vehicle to import stuff, and then plan to leave without the said stuff, i.e. delivery drivers. It suggests that such people have no need to declare and pay import duty on the vehicle itself at the border, as long as it leaves within a defined reasonable time.
Applying it to hire cars seems plain daft, and no doubt the hire companies will challenge it.
It wouldn't affect UK people post-Brexit since they wouldn't be residents of the Union.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 09:10 GMT Anonymous Coward
I assume Brexit will not affect the illegality of UK residents owning an Italian registerd car (I know someone who lives in the UK and inherited a car in Italy who had to make an emergency trip back to Italy to sell it when he discovered he faced a significant fine for not having the car legally registered which,as not being resident in Italy he was unable to do.)
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 09:39 GMT Anonymous Coward
Care re-reg
"I know someone who lives in the UK and inherited a car in Italy who had to make an emergency trip back to Italy to sell it when he discovered he faced a significant fine for not having the car legally registered which,as not being resident in Italy he was unable to do."
Sucks to be him eh? The rules are clear - you've got 6 months to re-register it (though I'm not sure what happens if you take it out of the country for a while during that period). After that if the police stop you you can be more than fined , you can lose your vehicle.
Personally I'm sick of seeing right hand drive bulgarian and romanian registered vehicles all over london. Seems to me they've deliberately been registered in those countries (presumably with lax registration systems - turn up with cash, sorted) to avoid speeding and parking tickets here.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 09:44 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Care re-reg
"Personally I'm sick of seeing right hand drive bulgarian and romanian registered vehicles all over london. Seems to me they've deliberately been registered in those countries (presumably with lax registration systems - turn up with cash, sorted) to avoid speeding and parking tickets here."
I think because those countries you've pointed out are in the EU the fine can still stand. However I've driven the toll road coming in/out of Dublin in a UK registered car, didn't pay the toll, but I've never received the fine. So there's some truth in what you said.
However, six months in this country you have to register your vehicle if it's foreign. I know of one Romanian Transit van that's always full of scrap metal that's been here for 12 months and hasn't had UK plates on it yet.
Anonymous because:
a) I don't want to get my fine from the Garda
b) I don't want to get kneecapped for being a snitch
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 09:48 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Care re-reg
"I think because those countries you've pointed out are in the EU the fine can still stand."
Sure , it still stands. But its rather academic I can't see Little Snotbury Council sending a debt collector over to some village hut in the Carpathians to collect a parking ticket fine to be honest.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 12:14 GMT Voland's right hand
Re: Care re-reg
Personally I'm sick of seeing right hand drive bulgarian and romanian registered vehicles all over london. Seems to me they've deliberately been registered in those countries
You are blaming the wrong person. Blame the British PLOD.
Bulgaria nowdays has a full electronic car tax, insurance and MOT database. AFAIK Romania is the same.
It is The British PLOD that can't be arsed to talk to them to arrange querying it. They do not even need to do it real time, just dump the ANPR from the ferry terminal cameras and request the records in bulk. Other countries in Europe already do cross-border checks, it is simply a matter of The PLOD being Lazy to the point where they do not bother even with local enforcement and mandatory re-reg. They actually can impound an exiting car that has overstayed its welcome (6 months in last year per Eu regs) and scrap it there and then.
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Thursday 30th June 2016 09:09 GMT Anonymous Coward
"bulgarian and romanian registered vehicles"
You would see German and Czech registered ones in other areas also (especially expensive cars). They are leased or long-term rented vehicles, often. There are companies specialized in that business. Cheaper tax on them, and usually cheaper insurances as well. It is often used to mask the real "owner" of the vehicle also, very useful to escape from fiscal controls and the like, not only tickets and fines.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 11:35 GMT Phil O'Sophical
Re: Trucks
All the new ones are required to be fitted with a 56mph speed-limiter.
Wouldn't be surprising. The EU limit is 90 km/h, which is 56MPH, so probably easier to limit all international lorries to 90 km/h.
The real nuisance is that these are only accurate to 2% or so, due to tolerances and tyre wear, so you get the situation where lazy drivers just push their foot to the floor and let the limiter hold the speed. One lorry ends up doing 88 and the other 90, and the faster one tries to overtake, on a two-lane motorway. It surely wouldn't have been impossible to permit brief overtaking bursts of 100km/h?
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 09:25 GMT John Mangan
Yawn.
Nothing is going to change for a lot more than two years (assuming that no country - out of 27 - is suicidal enough to spike extensions to the talks). For the next 2-10 years we will be locked in unending horse-trading and politicking. In the meantime we will continue to be members of the EU (but with no influence), we will continue to pay our subscription, immigration will remain unchanged, there will be no new money for the NHS or any other bribe that was offered.
By the time this comes to pass most of the 'leavers' will have forgotten they voted for it and will have moved on to blaming some other entity for all of their woes.
Oh f@ck!
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 10:10 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Yawn. / blaming some other entity for all of their woes
I would blame immigrants. After all, if we're not going to deport them, or at least put in them labour camps, they're PERFECT for blaming, init?
Plus, but of course, we can blame the EU for being irrational i.e, instead of giving us the benefits of EU membership but with no obligations, they will insist (rididculous, I tell you) that those benefits and obligations are somehow... linked and you can't have one without the other... What?! Are they mad?!
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 10:53 GMT John Mangan
Re: Yawn.
"I dont think negotiations with the EU CAN last more than 2 years unless everybody in the EU wants them to."
Exactly, if someone doesn't agree to extend and the talks are not complete then WTO rules come into force; 10% tarrifs on cars, 35% on dairy, etc. and apparently the rules are 'not favourable' for financial services (alarm bells anyone?).
Greenland took two years to sort out essentially fishing and they were far less deeply embedded in the EEA, as was, than we are in the EU.
Shortened talks do NOT work in our favour.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 11:43 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Yawn.
Shortened talks do NOT work in our favour.
Which is exactly why the UK govt is refusing to invoke Artticle 50 right away, without some initial negotiations, and Juncker is insisting on an immediate trigger so that he can control it all. He's even had the gall to announce that he issued a "Presidential Ban" on all other countries from talking to the UK about terms before Article 50 is invoked. He's running scared, worried that this is only the first crack in the EU wall. He's right.
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Thursday 30th June 2016 06:44 GMT Richard 12
Re: Yawn.
If house prices do crash, you definitely won't be able to afford one.
If they fall it's because mortgages become far more expensive, thus completely ****ing over everyone - repossessions, and only cash buyers can afford anything.
The more likely scenario is that they don't rise as fast, because mortgages become a little bit more expensive and the big cash buyers go elsewhere.
If you can't afford one last week, the effects of leaving the EU makes it far less likely you'll be able to afford one in three years time.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 11:43 GMT dajames
Re: Yawn.
I dont think negotiations with the EU CAN last more than 2 years unless everybody in the EU wants them to.
It's a little more complicated than that. The terms agreed in the negotiations have to be approved by the European Parliament, and it's not clear what happens if they don't approve those terms. Presumably more negotiations would have to take place and a new agreement put before the Parliament -- always assuming that there's still time.
It is, in theory, possible for the Parliament to keep rejecting the terms, but also for the EU to refuse to give the UK more time ... what happens then?
Popcorn ...
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 11:59 GMT John Mangan
Re: Yawn.
You know, I believe that Boris is bright enough (whatever you think of his schtick) to have known that negotiating a sensible and beneficial withdrawal that 27 other national entities have all agreed to (in line with their own national self-interests) would be a hideous game of russian roulette which really does lend weight to the view that he never expected to win and only wanted to undermine Cameron.
If that is true then I would guess right now, rather than planning for said sensible and beneficial agreement, he is tearing around the hamster wheel in his mind wondering how he can still be Prime Minister without shooting his political career in the head.
I want to see him get the job and i will stand an applaud while he chokes on it.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 09:30 GMT Anonymous Coward
The illegality of owning a vehicle plated in that country as a non resident was already the case, brexit won't change that. It might change how long you get to undertake the process as you are supposed to do this within 3 months of arrival at the moment, queue comment about huge amounts of expat brits driving and living in france with english plated cars, some of them sporting CT stickers in a bid to pretend to be doing the right thing.
I just chopped my brit license in for a french/international one a few weeks before the referendum and bought the classic vehicle I have wanted for years in the UK and even paid a little over the odds for a scruffy dog eared candidate so I could complete the somewhat long winded import process before brexit potentially screwed it all up.
Discuss if in the long term the value of classic cars in the UK will become lower because of being less accesible to continental buyers, Bearing in mind also that there are people who use that as a investment vehicle.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 09:44 GMT Anonymous Coward
"Discuss if in the long term the value of classic cars in the UK will become lower because of being less accesible to continental buyers,"
I doubt private sales will be affected in the least, There are already import taxes & VAT payable on private imports, they might go up or down a bit but I can't see it having a major effect.
"Bearing in mind also that there are people who use that as a investment vehicle."
Tough shit. Cars are meant to be driven, not sit in some rich guys basement garage collecting dust until he smells a profit.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 09:42 GMT Anonymous Coward
Used cars? Insurances?
Of course the used car market won't be touched. There are not much used cars from the EU with the driving seat on the wrong side <G> That's mostly a fully internal market.
About insurances, coverage outside the UK will need to be discussed. Right now an EU insurance covers you in any EU country - no need of the "green card" or whatever is called in English.
I believe there will be an agreement to ensure it, but it also mean that there will still be rules to abide - be them EU-UK agreements or the "green card" system, which may still be an obstacle for smaller insurance companies.
Medical assistance abroad for citizens of both "areas" will need to be discussed, and if not free, travelers in both directions will need an additional insurance.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 11:51 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Used cars? Insurances?
the "green card" system,
My "green card" lists all the countries where it is valid. 46 countries are on the list, one is crossed out as being not currently valid (Iran). It goes way beyond the EU, and is the subject of separate agreements.
It still requires that the insured vehicle be correctly registered in the country where it is kept, of course. As a previous poster has pointed out you usually have 6 months to make that change after moving country.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 09:50 GMT M7S
Customs tarrifs within the EU
A colleague of mine who motorhomes across the EU each year has advised us that when crossing from Spain to France, the vehicle is now searched and duties levied on alcohol by the French "as the duties in France as higher than in Spain". When it is pointed out that the vehicle is destined for the UK and duties should not be levied in any event he is advised to reclaim the difference when he leaves France. This has happened a couple of times to him and is being reported by others as well.
They do this knowing it is not practical for most people to reclaim, or at least not worth the bother (and its the sort of thing where one can imagine that that there will only be one window processing claims for those leaving France and it will be open from 15:15 to 15:35 on alternate Thursdays in a town far from any port, or route to one)
Therefore I see little actually getting worse in this regard under whatever regime(s) eventually are in place.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 11:54 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Customs tarrifs within the EU
the vehicle is now searched and duties levied on alcohol by the French "as the duties in France as higher than in Spain".
If the alcohol is for personal use that is a violation of EU law, and he should take the police officers' numbers and make a complaint to the French authorities. The fact that the final destination is the UK makes no difference whatsoever. Sounds more like border cops lining their pockets.
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Thursday 30th June 2016 14:55 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Customs tarrifs within the EU
"If the alcohol is for personal use that is a violation of EU law, and he should take the police officers' numbers and make a complaint to the French authorities."
Anyone who's spent any time in France knows that the French interpret EU law in their own special way. I've been pulled over by french customs after going through a peage in the MIDDLE of france. I was asked where I was going, how much cash did we have on us etc etc. After 5 mins they waved us on but it was clearly an illegal stop since customs officers should have no power there, but what can you do? If you argue with them then you risk ending up spending a nice evening at a police station with your car being taken to pieces outside.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 12:38 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Customs tarrifs within the EU
There are the rules on alcoholic beverages:
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/common/travellers/within_eu/index_en.htm
Unless your colleague is beyond those limits, he's being blackmailed. Also, being both France and Spain in the EU and Schengen area, while it doesn't prohibit checks, I found surprising its vehicle is even checked. When moving across France, Italy, Germany, and Austria, I never encountered a check. Switzerland does checks, but exactly because movement of goods is not free.
Also, AFAIK you can request a reimbursement of VAT or other taxes only if you're not an EU citizen. It can be done in different places.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 10:15 GMT Handy Andy
what a pointless 'article'.
The biggest impact of brexit so far is the gold rush to produce these utterly vacuous articles on how any chosen subject will, sorry MAY become worse. In every case the exact opposite (positive) outcome is just as plausible.
And the huge waste of time anyone looking for actual facts is suffering
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 12:08 GMT Brewster's Angle Grinder
Ah, yes, as my old epistemology professor used to say, "an 'actual fact' is any statement proving I was right to vote Brexit."
Unfortunately, there are no facts about the future---there are only facts about the past---that's what makes the future "the future"; all we can do is guess the likelihood of events happening. We may, for example, presume the sun will rise tomorrow, but if a rogue black hole passed through it overnight, there'd be a supernova before dawn.1
So, if you have already decided the probably of things improving equals the probability of them getting worse, then, indeed there is nothing here to learn. But if you want to open your mind to the range of options that might occur and the probability of them occurring, then the article and the ensuing discussion have been delightfully informative.
1: To zeroth order a supernova is a black hole appearing in the middle of a star. A blackhole plunging into a main sequence star would produce similar effect: a massive influx of material, heating it up to ignition point and creating an explosion that rips apart the star.
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Thursday 30th June 2016 06:53 GMT Richard 12
One of the facts
Fuel is more expensive.
Oil is priced in USD. The pound is way down against the USD.
All oil products now cost more.
The moment the current supplies and futures hedging start to run out, prices at the pump rise.
That affects everyone who buys or uses anything transported by road, or any road transport.
100% certainty, because it has already happened.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 10:37 GMT Ripper38
Pointless article, sterile debate
Have to agree with one commentard. We're getting inundated with a mass of pointless, speculative space filling articles about what may, could, might happen to insular Britons/English if Brexit etc and so on. There's not even a "should" or an "in all probability" let alone, and God forbid, anything resembling an enagement to make it happen.
(nb. I say insular as opposed to those of us Britons/English on the other side of the water very merrily exploiting, uh benefiting from the EU).
Furthermore, and from a relatively safe distance of several hundred clicks away in Merkalland I can say that British politicians are doing us proud: between the Labour meltdown and the Tory skullduggery it makes the Borgias, the Medicis and the Game of Thrones look decidedly tame.
PS. Make Boris PM the hang, draw and quarter the conniving bastard.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 11:27 GMT tiggity
profiteering
In addition to whatever "real" costs there are associated with Brexit (probably plenty in the long term as EU countries will have incentive to shaft UK to discourage other exits ), there will be plenty of profiteering, as any excuse to raise prices is happily taken by many (not all, but significant proportion) of companies
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 11:44 GMT nonpds
I think it's all a joke......for the most part
Car industry; Well this is possibly an excuse to raise prices. Australia car prices are not higher than in the UK and neither are the USA car prices.
Petrol; This is just a joke, the only reason petrol prices are so high is because of the greedy government taxing it to death. The mention in this article possibly short term, well that's just silly too, we know the government will not allow prices to drop much as this takes money out of their thieving pockets.
I find the whole mess a joke with the exception of the ignorant, racist people, this is no joke and makes me sad to be English .
If only there could be a government that was run like a proper business, my goodness it could become very powerful.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 11:47 GMT EvaQ
passports stamped at border crossings
"British drivers may need to have their passports stamped at border crossings in the future". Sure! And maybe British drivers may need to bribe the border officials. And maybe British cars will get thoroughly inspected with dogs and mirrors and other detectors. And maybe there well be a black market for Euro-Pound exchange.
Flash-back to entering the USSR / DDR?
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 11:47 GMT 73N
Isn't the register meant to be about IT?!
Fail to see how endless speculation of possibilities is constructive, perhaps the reg needs to calm down and instead of regurgitating the same old rubbish as the tabloids have a think about what positives could come out of Brexit for the IT industry - what are our dreams as a country for the industry, if we do indeed leave Europe then each of us Brits will have a much louder voice to influence political will. There will always be winners and losers in change, it doesn't make it a bad thing - just creates new opportunities and those that adapt to change fastest are usually the ones who win.
There is also no sense in worrying about things that are out of your control... if instead everyone focuses on things we can control then it is much more likely that this will have a positive outcome.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 11:55 GMT Anonymous Coward
"The historic low interest rates consumers have enjoyed in recent years will be hard to maintain thanks to the plummeting value of the pound..."
Have you looked at the value of the Pound against the Dollar or the FTSE 100 share index today?
Already they are rebounding, give it a few more days and things will be back to normal once people realise the sky isn't about to fall down (at least, not just yet).
Just another meaningless scare story.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 12:41 GMT James 51
Assuming they're not dead cat bounces pensions and businesses like banks have taken a tremendous beating. Brexit changes the structure of the UK economy in the long term. We have all the weakness and disadvantages mid and long term spelled out but no one can know if there will be any advantages. Wondering about what is going to happen isn't meaningless, it means we can respond faster to a given scenario as we've already thought about it. I just wish the leave campaign had a plan for winning.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 11:58 GMT Anonymous Coward
Car prices
"Throughout the campaign, experts said that even if the UK left the EU, the prices of new cars shouldn’t rise too much "
People forget that many car prices could crash in price.
We could easily scrap many tarrifs and import limits for non-eu made cars...Kia,Hynundai, Toyota, Honda, Nissan will all gladly take up the slack for Renault, Peugeot and VW.
We may even get to see the Japanese micro cars we don't get here because of the tariffs.
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Wednesday 29th June 2016 12:39 GMT GrumpenKraut
There will be more days of sunshine in the UK
caused by the heat emitted by a million speculations "What Brexit means to your X".
I can prove this scientifically, just trust me. -------------->
Seriously, from the perspective of a Kraut somewhat shocked by the outcome, I just wish you the best. Only time will tell.