Alleged Brit hacker Lauri Love bailed amid US extradition battle lull Alleged Brit hacker Lauri Love, who is accused of compromising US government servers and faces extradition to America, has been bailed by a UK court. US prosecutors want the 31-year-old university student shipped across the Pond for questioning after he allegedly infiltrated systems used by the US Federal Reserve, the Missile …
@AC, I don't see how any of that pertains to the original comment. It appears to have been an observation that he is still a student at the age of 31 and an assumption that Love has a bit of Peter Pan syndrome.
Perhaps the OP isn't aware of the particular circumstances that led to Love's current circumstance such as serving in the Finnish army. Certainly it does give one pause why someone of his age would still be a student without knowing much of the background.
Indeed as youth unemployment is becoming a problem all over and students often opting to stay longer in university it may certainly seem like some are merely taking advantage of the system instead of becoming good little taxpayers as most expect. Then again that may make the OP from a place where education is somewhat less expensive than it is in the U.S.
P.S. would now be a bad time to point out the logical disconnect of "Christian compassion (read psychotic vindictiveness)" and Lauri's father Alexander being a prison chaplin? Or is it only the merkin christians you oppose and european christians are ok?
RE: "Learnin at your age is fer pufters"
I think "Pufters" is a British phrase rather than an American one, and nicely illustrates my experience that British anti intellectualism is easily the equal of the American, if not worse. Intellectuals seem to have gone out of favour in the West, sadly.
Full disclosure: I too was a mature student though had finished before age 30, and no one ever knew I was mature unless I told them. Certainly my behaviour didn't betray me. Before that I was a draughtsman and went back to school when I grew fed up of mechanical engineering and fancied a few wilder years. I'd recommend returning to education to anyone, if the grants weren't so crap these days. If you can go back to school and want to then don't let all these boring, dull witted conformists talk you out of it. Fuck em all.
Note, my comment isn't aimed at the pufters comment its tagged on to, but all the other comments suggesting there's something wrong with being a student at 30. Dull lifeless creatures all.
Maybe he spent ten or so years working before university
Or did a Bachelors, went to work and came back to do a Masters or PhD.
In this case I think he's still on a bachelor's having dropped out before a stint in the (Finnish) Army and doing "stuff" before signing back up into academia.
As you say, there are lots of reasons why people might be a "student" at 31, both Under-grad and post-grad.
"31 and still a student,FFS Nothing more to say on this subject"
I went to University at the age of 29, I also did a masters at the age of 35 so went back again. All of this I did whilst holding down a full time job.
I would have gone earlier but military service, travel and life intervened.
You are never too old to be a student.
This smells. The ferals seem to be looking for a scapegoat for their incompetence. So indict someone who looks like someone you can ludicrous charges against.
If he did hack the systems as charged this points to a very severe intelligence flaw. If any bloke can do it so has every foreign spookhaus.
I cannot well enough describe my loathing for the phrase "Man Up" so will just hold my nose and walk swiftly by to the point. They aren't attempting to evade justice, just attempting to be subject to justice in Britain; (as an aside, I first wrote UK but these days there is very little United about any of it). They don't want a vulnerable son being thrown into a notoriously dreadful American penal system, (though Britain has its own notoriety in this too). And even more, they don't want a vulnerable son being thrown into such a penal system while being thousands of miles from any family or support. Cant say I blame them. He didn't hurt anyone except maybe the pride (and jobs?) of a few techies who let him in. Good luck to the poor kid and his family.
It seems to me that the US prison system is based on punishment and revenge and not so much on reform.
I've not looked into the numbers, but at least most western nations seem to at least have an ideal of aiming for reform, The US and their privately run prison system seems to be geared towards revenge and profit. It'd be nice to be proven wrong.
Reading the indictment it seems there are specific allegations and not the bullshit "Secret Informant told us" which is clearly cover for mass logging of an IRC server.
"Love and his conspirators took steps to conceal their identities and illegal hacking activities. To mask their IP addresses, the conspirators used “proxy” and “tor” servers to launch the attacks. They also frequently changed their nicknames in online chat rooms, using multiple identities to communicate with each other."
i.e. Tor is backdoored, Proxy servers are logged, and (IRC) Chat Rooms are also logged on mass. Watch what you say.
"To gain entry to the government victims’ computer servers, Love and conspirators often deployed what is known as a “SQL injection attack.” Structured Query Language is a type of programing language designed to manage data held in particular types of databases; the hackers identified vulnerabilities in SQL databases and used those vulnerabilities to infiltrate a computer network."
No, an SQL Injection attack is where the website hands text directly to a database including any query and commands it contains, so anyone can send commands via the webpage directly to the back end database.... aka "Bobby Drop Tables".
https://xkcd.com/327/
I can see you're aiming for "infiltrate computer network" which I assume is needed for the hacking charge? So the misleading explanation in the indictment.
If what he did is legal in the UK, there's no case for extradition
If what he did is illegal under UK law, prosecute him in the UK, again no case for extradition.
If the Merkins won't provide the evidence to prosecute here, then throw the case out.
It's not a difficult concept, surely?
Hacking? is that like snooping in other peoples business & watching what they do? Is that hacking?
With Windows 10 you get watched, snooped, spied on & anything else you can imagine, and all for free.
If the American army & any other top secret BS the yanks have, if they all used windows 10, then would Lauri Love be in the same shit as the FBI, CIA, NSA & any other BS you can think of?
I think the yanks can PISS OFF!!
to quote the late Pierre Trudeau, Mange Là Merde!
Why is it if a crime is allegedly committed within the 12-mile (19.312128 kilometres) limit of Blighty, and the alleged victim is in the USA, Mad MAY ships them off instead of putting them on trial in the UK?
France has the trial in France!
Of course it was that allegedly pair of philanderers - Blunkett and bLIAR - who signed the deal deportation deal with the USA.
Its just basic common sense that In order for the UK to even begin to consider deporting anyone, the US should be required to come up with some proof/actual evidence first, not just unsubstantiated allegations. Anything else is a blatant abuse of basic human rights. That said, if this idiot did actually hack into the US gov or anyone elses computer without permission then he should be punished.
That's the imbalance in the treaty with the USA. The US only has to make the accusations and claim they have the evidence. The UK has to make the accusations and send the US a copy of the evidence where they will then decide and contest it directly from the safety of their home shores.
This is more an indictment of British negotiating skills and the sheer power of the US to enforce their will on others.
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