Re: Why is "Call me Dave" Cameron telling me what to think?
@codejunky Do you go to the Donald Trump School of Debating?
"This is an important one, you may want to try to understand it"
"So from their website you manage to understand 2 (hope you wernt guessing)"
Rule 1 of not sounding like a dick: play the ball, not the man.
"1) Vague comments about savings covering a little more than you mention. Interesting you have already found another argument to leave though already. Well done."
Made-up reasons are not reasons. We wouldn't be better off: this is a reasonable statement. Even most people on Brexit side don't pretend that we would be.
"2) Democracy. Freedom of choice. The right to vote for our leaders to do what we want. This is an important one, you may want to try to understand it as people all over the world have fought for it and are."
I think I do grasp the basic tenets of democracy: the demos, a body of people, elect people to represent them. Like the European Parliament, which is elected via the demos of the people of the EU. The European Commission is appointed from the constituent democratically elected governments of the EU. Sounds about as democratic as any other democratic system.
What you appear to mean is that you have chosen the UK as the correct boundary for the demos to vote as a bloc, and any other is wrong. This argument could be equally applied to Scotland, Yorkshire, and my road, which has rules imposed on it from those terrible people on these other roads. The difference between other European countries and other roads is that you have declared France to be the Other, whereas Newcastle-under-Lyme and Newcastle-upon-Tyne as being the Same. You are free to have that opinion, but it is just that, an opinion. It's not a reason for doing anything unless lots of people agree with you that this is the boundary of the Other.
"4) Trade and looking to participate in the world at large not just that bit known as the EU."
You mean like TTIP? So you are in favour of it? Stay in the EU, get TTIP, leave the EU, get TTIP-on-steroids? Or did you mean some other type of free-trade agreement?
"Aint you glad we are not in the Eurozone?"
Yep. I said at the time, to anyone who would listen (fewer listened then than listen now) that you cannot have monetary union without fiscal transfers. Setting one interest rate isn't great for the whole of the UK, never mind the whole of the Eurozone. It inevitably leads to to asset bubbles and overheat in some parts, and without fiscal transfers to smooth things over you get Greece. And you will continue to get Greece until there are fiscal transfers.
Do you oppose fiscal transfers to Greece? To Northern Ireland? To Wales? To Cornwall? My guess is Yes, Maybe, No, No. But the reason for this is the same as the reason for choosing a size of demos: it's a matter of opinion. Broadly speaking, the younger people are the more they think that the EU is an appropriate demos for some issues, normally because of exposure and growing up with it.
(If you think that that is indoctrination, note that the same happens with racism and exposure to non-white people. Either both are indoctrination or neither is.)