back to article Illegal drugs and dodgy pics? Nah. Half the dark web is perfectly legal

Despite its reputation, less than half of the sites on the dark web are illegal, according to a new study by security intelligence outfit Intelliagg. On the 48 per cent of the dark web which crosses the line, the unlawful content is mostly related to financial crime rather than drugs or sexual perversion, contrary to tabloid …

  1. David Roberts

    So dark net is no longer dark

    Apart from all the bits they didn't find.

    1. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

      Re: So dark net is no longer dark

      All the fabulous stuff is on the mauve net anyway.

    2. Ole Juul

      Re: So dark net is no longer dark

      It never was. It's just an alternate network. In fact this quote from the article:

      "websites are hard to find, unless you’re in the know, and sites on the dark web cannot be reached without the use of specialized software."

      is complete bullshit. Just download the Tor Browser and you're on. While you're there you can download Darwin's Origin of Species, the Bible, Koran, or other controversial classics from one of my sites here http://ibgk7stvp6bov6x6.onion Of course all these onion sites can be reached from the clearnet as well and you'll find them on Google too. This darknet nonsense has got to be the joke of the century.

      PS: The Tor Browser is just a recent version of Firefox with the Tor protocol built in. Also, to reach onion sites, you can just append .to on the end of the address. There are other suffixes which work sometimes like .nu. But why not just do a search here https://ahmia.fi/.

      1. Seajay#

        Re: So dark net is no longer dark

        "One of my sites" suggests that you have at least 3. This report says that there are only 30,000 in total so you are personally 0.1% of the entire dark web or 0.2% of the legal dark web. Check you out.

        1. Ole Juul

          Re: So dark net is no longer dark

          ". . . 0.1% of the entire dark web or 0.2% of the legal dark web. Check you out."

          Thanks. Actually, I don't think it is so easy to measure how many there are. One thing about .onion sites though is that they are dead easy to set up and can be hosted anywhere because they don't need an IP and so NAT is no issue. There's no need to get/buy an IP or domain name. It's very convenient - and they're certainly not "illegal".

          Actually, I should have mentioned above that Tor Browser is not only Firefox with Tor, but it looks and works much like Firefox for your daily browsing.

      2. sisk

        Re: So dark net is no longer dark

        Er...wouldn't Tor Browser qualify as "specialized software" for these purposes? And aren't there some hidden services you can't reach by going to whatever.onion.to?

        1. Old Handle

          Re: So dark net is no longer dark

          Tor Browser is "specialized software", sure, but so is Firefox... It's just kind of a dumb claim. They're trying to make it sound mysterious without really saying anything. And yes, I would imagine onion.to has blacklisted any super illegal sites they are aware of, though I'm not dumb enough to go poking around to find out for sure.

  2. TheProf
    Joke

    Small world

    Hmm. If I move to the dark side could I expect a lot less spam?

    1. Kane
      Thumb Up

      Re: Small world

      "Hmm. If I move to the dark side could I expect a lot less spam?"

      I don't know, but you could expect a lot more cookies.

  3. cbars Bronze badge

    Come on!

    "the dark web cannot be reached without the use of specialized software"

    Which is freely available and basically a one click install. This is theregister! Why are you dumbing down so much?

    1. Mike 125

      Re: Come on!

      Ok smarty pants - so what does the sw actually do?

      I always assumed 'dark' just means no DNS lookup. Is there more to it than that?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Come on!

      THINK OF THE DARK WEB LIKE AN ICEBERG!

      The part of the iceberg above the water is the surface web, such as your Facebook and Instagram. The much larger darkweb is full of crack smoking jihadists, who are plotting to steal your megahertz.

    3. Loyal Commenter Silver badge

      Re: Come on!

      "the dark web cannot be reached without the use of specialized software"

      ...called a "Web Browser". Examples include XMosaic and Netscape Navigator...

  4. JimC

    How do they define Dark Web?

    If my company has a server for staff/customers that isn't linked from the public pages and isn't in google, is that the dark web?

    1. Bumpy Cat

      Re: How do they define Dark Web?

      I don't know if this is formally defined, but I've seen this clarified as "deep web" vs "dark web". "Deep web" is content inaccessible to search engines - ie intranets, content and servers blocked by security policy/systems, and (I suppose) private address space like 10.x.x.x.

      "Dark web", on the other hand, is content that requires specific software to reach it - TOR, I2P (Invisible Internet Project), etc. These are actively hidden from normal use and require unusual clients to reach; dodgy stuff naturally migrates here, but I've also seen it used for free speech purposes. The latter (avoiding censorship) is the subject of my current MSc project, and was one of the original ideas behind TOR when it was developed and released by the US Navy.

      1. sisk

        Re: How do they define Dark Web?

        I'd go a step further and point out that the "Dark Web" uses heavy duty end-to-end encryption and some method* of location masking to ensure anonymity, where as the "Deep Web" is basically just a part of the World Wide Web that you can't get to without knowing the address and/or being on the correct side of a firewall.

        *I say some method because I believe over time the methods in use now will be replaced. Location masking is vital to anonymity and the Alphabet Soups can currently break through the current methods. It's just a matter of time before someone comes up with a better one.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: How do they define Dark Web?

        The deep web also includes things that search engines just can't make sense out of, such as databases. The search engine may be able to see the database just fine, but can't get any data out of it directly, because it isn't stored as web pages.. A user has to go to the database's custom search/query engine to actually access the data--which will dynamically generate web pages in the process.

  5. Alister

    It depends what you call the "dark web".

    Do they just mean .onion sites, or do they include sites that don't have a DNS lookup, or which serve on non-standard ports?

    There must be thousands, if not millions of the latter.

    Lots of companies, ours included, have web sites and services accessible on the internet which are for company use, and don't appear in DNS or use standard ports, or only accept connections from certain IP ranges. Are these all counted as the dark web?

    EDIT: JimC got in before me :)

  6. Alister

    specialist software and expertise

    I love this bit:

    A spokesman from Intelliagg explained: “The dark web is renowned for illicit and illegal trade, unmonitored and anonymous. Not any more. We have successfully penetrated into the darkest parts using specialist software and our expertise.

    Yeah, so they know how to use a TOR browser and a port scanner... whoop-de-doo...

    1. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

      Re: specialist software and expertise

      This is marketing by two companies aimed at the corporate world. And not at their IT departments. So yes, compared to, say, the Internet Explorer* it is specialist software, and expertise is required to run it. At least that's what will be on the invoice.

      * AKA "The Internet". As in the old helldesk chestnut "Waah! I've accidentally deletet the internet! What do I do now?!?"

    2. Badvok

      Re: specialist software and expertise

      "Yeah, so they know how to use a TOR browser and a port scanner... whoop-de-doo..."

      I think you'd need a bit more than that to find even a reasonable percentage of the available anonymous sites, or does Google now index this stuff too?

  7. Phil Bennett

    Authorised employees or..?

    "employees of banks advertising services, including laundering money, to interested bidders"

    So Panama online then?

  8. Winkypop Silver badge
    Coat

    "is renowned for illicit and illegal trade, unmonitored and anonymous"

    Oh the Dark Web!

    I thought the article was referring to the world of international money laundering and tax evasion.

    Now, where's my Panama hat?

  9. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    So what's the legal half doing and why is it dark? Is it the product of those designers who think grey text on a black background is cool?

    1. FrogsAndChips Silver badge
      Big Brother

      That "legal" half is mostly used by communities to discuss some topics they would rather keep far from the eyes of family/employer/government. Think LGBT, furry fetichists, health issues...

      Also keep in mind that what's legal in your country may not be so in another part of the world.

    2. sisk

      Anyone without free speech would find the dark web very useful, as would anyone with an interest not considered socially acceptable but not necessarily illegal. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more than a few Ashley Madison style dating sites in there and I'd be downright shocked if there weren't a few sites where LGBT folks gather to chat away from the prying eyes of straight cisgendered folk and the bigots that walk among them. Other examples might be a Chinese anti-communist site, an anti-Islam site based basically anywhere in the Middle East except Israel (or an anti-terrorist pro-Islam site run by someone living in a Daesh controlled area for that matter), a site talking about how terrible Best Buy is run by a member of the Geek Squad...Basically, use your imagination and come up with reasons people might want to have a site that couldn't be traced back to them.

  10. ZootCadillac

    It's all pre-paid credit cards for cheap prices. Which would sound great to someone wanting to take the risk. Have fun complaining when nothing arrives.

  11. Someone_Somewhere

    I2P

    because there's more to life than Tor.

  12. Seajay#

    I've heard of this dark web that requires specialist software to access. It didn't sound so sinister in the previous article.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/28/gopher_server_revived_after_15_years_of_downtime/

    1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      That's just the Dim Web. The Dark Web uses WAIS.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I use TOR

    purely to peruse torrent sites and to buy horticultural items that are no ones business but my own.

    Neither of those things are illegal in anyway at all...

    1. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken
      Coffee/keyboard

      Re: I use TOR

      Upvoted for "horticultural items", see icon for details.

  14. sisk

    30,000 sites is actually quite a bit larger than I thought the dark web was. Mind you, I don't make a habit of hanging out in the dark corners.

    1. Someone_Somewhere

      Re: 30,000 sites

      How dark can it actually /be/ if someone's managed to count 30,000 'king sites on it?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: 30,000 sites

        Well... You have to bring your own TORCH to find them so it was dark before then.

        Torch search engine: http://torchtorsearch.com/

  15. Christian Berger

    Maybe we should call it by its propper name

    "Websites that don't come up in (the first 2 pages) of Google results".

    1. Someone_Somewhere

      Re: Maybe we should call it by its propper name

      Or websites I found on duckduckgo/ixquick/startpage?

      Of course, if we're simply talking about 'sites nobody visits' then 'yahoo.com' has got to be the darkest website I've never encountered.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Joke

    Initial report can be found here?

    That was almost interesting.

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