back to article Final Euro Parliament vote on passenger name records delayed

A final vote by the European Parliament on a proposed directive allowing the transfer of passenger name records (PNR) from airlines to EU countries has been delayed by "left wing groups", Reuters has reported. Socialist, Liberal and Green MEPs have blocked talks on the proposed PNR Directive scheduled for next week, with there …

  1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    But of course

    "PNR data collected may only be processed for the prevention, detection, investigation and prosecution of terrorist offences and serious crime"

    This statement is perfectly valid and acceptable. The only issue is : what is the definition of "terrorist offences and serious crime" ?

    What happens when disagreeing with government policy on any matter becomes a serious crime ?

    1. DaLo

      Re: But of course

      Or what happens when your name is similar or the same as a known terrorist (or just mistakenly added) and you get stopped from taking your family on holiday and only find out at the airport? However you are not told why, given no right to appeal and may never be allowed to fly again.

      http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/no-fly-mistakes-cat-stevens-ted-kennedy-john-lewis/

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: But of course

      We take misuse of recycling bins very seriously.

    3. Warm Braw Silver badge

      Re: But of course

      What happens when disagreeing with government policy on any matter becomes a serious crime ?

      What do you mean, when?

    4. Loyal Commenter Silver badge

      Re: But of course

      The problem here, being that the terms, 'prevention', 'detection' and 'investigation' could be taken to mean almost anything, so could be used to justify bulk collection of personal details by dodgy governments (like our own). I would have no issue with collection of individual records with a court order from a judge or equivalent, but the risk is that the implementation would require only a rubber-stamp from a politician with no proper judicial oversight whatsoever.

      1. Oengus

        Re: But of course

        but the risk is that the implementation would require only a rubber-stamp from a politician petty public servant with no proper judicial oversight whatsoever.

        FTFY

    5. Crazy Operations Guy

      " what is the definition of "terrorist offences and serious crime" ?"

      Pretty much anything that would embarrass the Government. Whistle-blowing on human rights violations, revealing the misdeeds of the political elite, or even just making them look foolish tend to be counted as 'serious crimes'.

  2. Graham Marsden
    Childcatcher

    "The leaders of the left-wing groups...

    "...in the European Parliament have played games with this proposal from day one," Timothy Kirkhope, a Conservative MEP said, according to Reuters. Kirkhope said that the proposed law is a "critical counter-terrorism tool".

    Ah, Monsieur Pot, je suis Monsieur Kettle...

    1. Loyal Commenter Silver badge

      Re: "The leaders of the left-wing groups...

      a.k.a. everyone who is not right-wing and trying to force it through by greasing it with weasel words.

      1. Chris Parsons Bronze badge

        Re: "The leaders of the left-wing groups...

        Presumably downvoted by the frightful Mrs May?

        What worries me is how few people care about this. Still, I suppose as long as Poundstretcher is open and East Enders is on the telly, what is there to worry about?

  3. Christoph

    "home addresses, mobile phone numbers, frequent flyer information, email addresses and credit card details."

    And anything else they can think of that might be useful for identity theft?

    When all that lot gets hacked the fraudsters will have a field day.

  4. BernardL

    Dear Mr Kirkhope,

    It's called "democracy". Perhaps you've heard of it?

    1. Loyal Commenter Silver badge

      They've heard of it, and it frightens them, which is why they are trying to subvert and dismantle it.

      1. Chris Parsons Bronze badge

        The Establishment

        ...and how they get away with it. A book by Owen Jones, well worth a read to see how far we have sleepwalked down the road to totalitarianism.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "bring the EU into line with US, Canada and Australia."

    By taking a leap backwards? No, thank you.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "bring the EU into line with US, Canada and Australia."

      Of that 3, the only one that does not cause me to shudder is Canada. I just feel sorry for them because of their very dodgy southern neighbour.

      For the last 70 years or so, the USA has undermined democracies all over the world and now is so in the power of big money that their Regressives (aka Republicans) can push a sub-literate ****hole for their top government job and thousands think he is the man for it.

      Australia has opted to leave the commune of civilised nations by sticking all refugees and migrants in a prison camp in another country rather than learn that refugees and migrants are very different.

      No, I do not want to be associated with either of those 2 countries that bring shame upon the very concept of democracy. Canada has been doing what it was told. Can they afford to stop now?

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Thank $deity for the left-wing!

    No more comment needed!

    1. The Indomitable Gall

      Re: Thank $deity for the left-wing!

      Yes, planes would be very difficult to fly if the right wing was all they had.

  7. MT Field
    Meh

    Perhaps we're overdue a prolonged period of regressive, repressive government. Only then will we learn and only then will we overthrow the shackles and enter a new age.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Mushroom

    Welcome to the 1950's...again.

    "The leaders of the left-wing groups in the European Parliament have played games with this proposal from day one,"

    McCarthy's force is strong in this one

    1. Mark 85 Silver badge

      Re: Welcome to the 1950's...again.

      Add a heavy dose of Hoover pulling strings in the background.

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  10. Wommit

    " The approved compromise text establishes that PNR data collected may only be processed for the prevention, detection, investigation and prosecution of terrorist offences and serious crime."

    Like going on holiday during the school term time, or trying to get your children into the 'right' school. Dog fouling is also a terrorist act I hear.

  11. Arctic fox

    Coment from one of these "left wing groups"?

    As in, where is it El Reg? You just quote one side on this one? Poor stuff, only saved by several well taken points BTL.

    1. Loyal Commenter Silver badge

      Re: Coment from one of these "left wing groups"?

      I detect a right-wing systematic down-voter. Someone obviously doesn't like balance in their journalism...

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Unhappy

    Travel

    Go by ship, train, road vehicle or shanks pony, do not travel by air and do not go to North America for any reason, its no longer worth it

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Travel

      I live in the UK, and have ex-pat relatives living in Greece. Please explain how I should travel to see them without using air travel, bearing in mind that the longest length of leave I can book from work is two weeks. It's bad enough as it is having to travel to Gatwick in order to fly to anywhere on the mainland other than Athens or Thessaloniki (and my rels live in the southern end of the Pelopponese peninsular, which if I fly to Athens is an hour's bus travel into central Athens, and a four hour bus journey from Athens to Kalamata just to get near to them).

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