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Who the heck puts the future first and past last in a graph? So we get confused on the trend? Or is it made for people reading right to left?
In its inaugural Voice of the Enterprise: Storage Study, 451 Research forecasts public cloud storage spend to double in two years – with NetApp, HPE and IBM falling down the supplier rankings as Amazon's AWS and Microsoft's Azure bulldoze their way in. We have seen a copy of the report: 451 asked its enterprise research base “ …
It's sad to think that the forward thinking of their customers that put NetApp into customers is the same thing that will kick them out. An environment with NetApp felt like the future for the last few years (compared to other SAN) but cloud is making it feel like the past. That said, NetApp "in the cloud" is a great solution for larger enterprise to get around the various shortcomings of AWS and Azure for a few years.
Cloud solutions, specifically software as a service are very obviously the future of most software for most people. These will fairly obviously be running on PaaS or IaaS from AWS or Azure due to the PAYG cost model which allows them to sell SaaS on a PAYG model.
There is no room for NetApp in this model or any other storage vendor. Sure, there will be niche solutions which need storage but these probably won't justify the cleverness.
As for right now, NetApp solutions when properly implemented make other SAN vendors look very 90s with their automation and integrated recovery shenanigans. That's why Microsoft and VMware love them so much too because they make private cloud look good.
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This seems like a fairly pointless study to me. But assuming there is any relevance, isn't it a bigger issue for a vendor to be dropping significantly in terms of %, rather than dropping their position in a list. Look at HPE for example, barely drops in terms of % yet is highlighted because it slips down the list? EMC are still leading but have a much larger proportional drop. To me that's a bigger issue. Although will add that I think this whole study is a bit of a nonsense.
Relatively pointless it seems. Bit unfair pulling out HPE as the casualty in 'placing', when you look at the (backwards!) graphs you can see that they actually survive best of all the vendors in terms of %age drop. No doubt down to the all flash 3PAR still being needed for the top tier local stuff.
Don't rule out local object as a disruptor either. I'm seeing solutions at the large-scale end that are better priced than current cloud storage offerings.
Shipping lots of something doesn't mean it's in widespread use. I'm aware of several service providers using 3Par who no doubt bought oodles of the stuff. This means there could be 30 customers each with a large install - statistics lie all the time and shipping reports even more so. I am indeed talking about enterprise customers with proper data centres, and almost none of them have 3Par. Don't feel bad though, only one of them had Compellent and that was being replaced so 3Par definitely seems more popular than that.
Please bear in mind that because you work for HPE you will tend to see more customers with 3Par than us vendor neutral bods who see a cross section of SAN customers from various verticals, and as I said it's very rare to see a 3Par in the wild.
"Shipping lots of something doesn't mean it's in widespread use"
Tell that to EMC & Netapp, yes there will always be legacy kit hanging around the data centre after all, those vendors have been shipping the same kit for 20+ years. Basing your argument on counting badges alone is reaching a conclusion based on the past and doesn't reflect the present which is an ever growing market share for 3PAR.
Don't believe me ? Then ask your vendor of choice for the industry numbers.
I also know of many service providers running 3PAR but I don't deal with them directly and that's just common knowledge of where 3PAR was originally targetted. What I do see today is an ever growing list of financial, commercial and public sector customers and most of those are takeouts of incumbent vendors rather than existing HP storage customers.
But maybe your just not as vendor neutral as you're suggesting, if you really were then you'd be selling lots of 3PAR just like the rest of the independents and if you aren't then you're doing yourself and more importantly your Customers a disservice.
Despite the hand waving you can't turn back the tide.
You actually sound scared Mr HP(E). No need to ask for "industry numbers" when you're actually in the customer data centre. If there isn't a 3Par there they simply aren't an HP(E) customer. The lack of customers with a 3Par in the data centre is all the evidence necessary. Get out more, stop reading biased reports drip fed by your own marketing department. Really, 3Par isn't as wide spread as you think. Try going outside...
Ah righto Mr (wish I worked for may favourite vendor) so you don't trust the IDC numbers who incidentally collate those from, and supply them back to ALL of the vendors, your favourite ones included.
Your unwilling to go as far as even a brief investigation into the facts, even from an independent source or a vendor of your own choosing.
Yet despite this lacklustre attitude and obvious inattention to detail you somehow manage to circumnavigate the UK's datacentres on a regular basis auditing their crown jewels along the way.
If I really do sound scared, it's possibly due to the calibre of people being allowed to enter a datacentre these days.
No questioning of facts here. More pointing out that there are a huge number of different facts to choose from, allowing every vendor to "prove" they are "number one" in one way or another. You quoted 3Par shipments and I was talking about customer numbers - these are very definitely different things. Amazon AWS would require more shipped units than anyone else (if they bought SANs), so in theory with only a single customer you could "ship the most units". That doesn't make you popular, that means you have a few good mates with massive buy in - as stated 3Par are popular with the service provider crowd who number few but buy in bulk. As also stated, in the real world, in real data centres, in customers very large and small, myself and my many colleagues at a large HP reseller very rarely see 3Par on customer sites whether in new deployment or existing system. In the UK that is.
What we do see is a boat load of EMC, Equallogic (but almost no Compellent), NetApp, Hitachi. I've even seen more deployments of Nimble in the wild than I have 3Par and I consider them to be new and pointless as a vendor (in terms of they bring nothing new).
I've nothing against 3Par, it's a pretty good SAN that's dependable and performs well but there really aren't that many customers using it.
"I've even seen more deployments of Nimble in the wild than I have 3Par "
Well that just really goes to show you aren't getting around as many customer DC's as you'd have us believe and it sounds like your mate at a HP reseller obviously isn't doing his job, either that or he's desk bound.
3PAR's install base, even excluding service providers dwarfs Nimble by a huge margin. Q.E.D.....
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