India to add seven new elite IT training institutes India has named the three cities in which it will build new Indian Institutes of Information Technology (IIITs) and revealed it will name another four cities in January 2016 to bring the total count of such institutions to 25. India is blunt about the purpose of the IITs, saying they “are expected to bring out high quality IT …
All it does is gets you a foot in the door.
What really matters is whether you can actually do the job.
I've done a lot of hiring. I've seen excellent people who have only does a 6-week course in Visual Basic. I've seen useless people with doctorates. The one think I never look at are their degrees and grades.
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Having worked with a fair number of IT developers from India (my previous employer shipped them in a dozen at a time to boost manpower on several projects) i must say my experience was mixed. Many of them had a Masters degree in some form of IT, and a few of them were excellent, some of the best people I've ever worked with (particularly the guy whose wife used to make fresh pakoras for him to bring in on a Monday morning!). But with many of them there was something missing - flexibility and initiative. What we needed was IT specialists who could do anything - investigate a bug report or enhancement request, discuss it with the users, analyse it and plan the necessary action, code it and test it. Real jacks-of-all-trades. What we got in many cases were good programmers. Give them a detailed specification they would follow it, crank out some decent code, and test it. But that was all.
I hope their new institutes will be helping their students to develop real-life skills and competencies, (like problem solving) and not simply an understanding of Javascript syntax.
Yeah ability to think on feet while problem solving can be lacking. I think a lot of the universities in India just teach people to cram and lean to parrot back set answers in exams. While I have worked with a number of excellent IT staff who've been through an Indian university, I've unfortunately worked with far more who are seemingly incapable of thinking laterally!
....they could teach some of them how to do the job properly?
I've worked with, and on occasion for, many talented people of Indian origin, none of whom graduated there. In 20 years as a developer, I've yet to work with a single Indian graduate that could be called competent, proactive, or capable [for a graduate].
Every day I deal with people offshore from China to Singapore, Lithuania to America, and the only ones that I know will be unable, unwilling, or unconcerned with regard to doing the job well are those in India.
I realise that will upset some of our offshore friends and some Guardian readers, but it is what it is. All the wishful thinking and pipe dreams in the world aren't going to change that.
Higher quality graduates & staff are available at similar cost in a host of onshore locations such as Scotland or Leeds, so the sooner my employers location strategy catches up with reality the better.
Lest anyones race card be twitching, I have Indian friends, have dated Indian girls, and love a good curry ;-) This is a comment on the quality of their IT staffing, which I'm suggesting is educational, historical, and cultural, as opposed to having a racial basis.
I agree, but I have to add I have worked with skilled Indian outsourced techs who are self-taught in spite of their Indian degree. I'd say 70% to 80% of the crap ones ride on the coattails of the 20% to 30% of the good ones. Odder still is the crap IT worker is more coveted by floor and bench managers because they are able to charge them a bigger kickback to have their job.
I worked at a webhosting company where our Indian customers would be the ones who complained about Indian technical support (why they choose an American company).
LucreLout>> "Lest anyones race card be twitching"
Yes, it's a minefield. I complain that many can't speak English and people say well, you can't speak Tamil, etc. Well, yes, but I didn't say that I could on my resume. Even the facts --- 1.2Bn people and not a single university in the world top 200 by any remotely respected ranking system --- must not be repeated at the Gallus Faeces Organisation.
For the skilled Indian IT worked to overcome. They already have the fake degree holders, corrupt bench managers and floor managers, Schools claiming to offer H1B visas. Now they have "Elite graduates" from an "Elite School" to compete against, but it will still be the same old 70% of crap IT workers trying to ride the coat tails of the good ones ...or find a way to get 10% of their salary in the coveted "middleman" position most of India jockies for.
Having worked with many, many H1B visas over the years, can say the vast majority have impressive diplomas that are essentially paid for. One Unix admin had an impressive resume with tons of education/experience. First day working with him, he asked what a symbolic link was.. jeez..
Google-Copy-Paste skill will not help in long run. The job market will vanish when other countries stops outsourcing.
Need to bolster talents and creativity. Most of them don't even vaguely understand how the frameworks are working under the hood, so once their "tool-driven" skill gets obsolete so does the guy.
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