"we will restore those settings"
How? Creepy....
Microsoft withdrew downloads for its latest official edition of Windows 10, version 1511, after it meddled with people's privacy settings. Earlier we reported how Redmond disappeared the update, which could be fetched via the official media creation tool (MCT). The download became available in mid-November after Microsoft …
Mentioning Microsoft an virginity in the same breath is almost a technical oxymoron. Better to mention prostitution and Microsoft would be a more honest opinion. Technical excellence and Microsoft parted company some time ago when the rabid marketeers with a shared braincell decided they were masters of the universe.
" It will take a major security breach to wake people up."
No it won't. J. Q. Public isn't concerned about security other than protecting their credit card numbers.
What WILL wake people up is Microsoft's Ransom-as-a-Service rentism business model. When people suddenly become aware that it's costing them a bomb to run their comuters each month and wonder where all the money's going, that's when they'll wake up and realise they've been diddled.
I don't think an exodus to Linux will happen straight away. But I think it will gradually gather momentum once the rentism kicks in and people start looking for ways to cut costs and get their files back without having to pay the monthly ransom to continue working with them.
> And, of course, they say, in big letters, "This program wants to access your System Restore data to return to your old settings. Please click here to approve this"...
In your world, I suppose they should say "this operating system needs to access your computer's memory. Please click to approve this" about 8 billion times per microsecond.
Seriously? You object to the system using System Restore to restore your system? Or you're just being a bloody idiot? Which is it?
> Seriously? You object to the system using System Restore to restore your system? Or you're just being a bloody idiot? Which is it?
Oops, nice False Dilemma. You fail to realise there's a third option, so let me explain it:
System Restore is there for ME to restore MY system to a configuration that worked after something has gone wrong.
It is NOT there for SOMEONE ELSE to run a piece of software, browse through my previous settings and change them WITHOUT MY PERMISSION!
Does that make it clear now?
https://bookofbadarguments.com/
The print edition would make a good xmas present for junior minds, it's basically a cut-down version of the Wikipedia List of Fallacies. But with cute drawings!
> That old thing called System Restore. Or whatever they call it now. The
> same method that lets you uninstall an update would allow them to find out
> your previous settings and put them back in place. No data would need
> transmitting to MS for that.
Except your passwords have already been uploaded to Microsoft, replicated across a bunch of disks in multiple data centres, found their way onto backup tapes, and probably downloaded by your friends:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/30/windows_10_wi_fi_sense/
The only way to undo this is going to be to change your passwords absolutely everywhere.
They spotted it, pulled it, and now communicate their d'oh moment. To me that is ok. No, it should not have happened, yes, it nevertheless did. But "oopsie" indeed...
(usually run some flavour of Linux, and we too had strange things happening, gotta admit this, folks! And as an admin I was close to some really stoopid blunders as well - don't ask...)
"They spotted it, pulled it, and now communicate their d'oh moment. To me that is ok. No, it should not have happened, yes, it nevertheless did."
So, you catch sight of the bloke in the stripy jumper, wearing an eye mask and carrying a bag labelled "swag" outside of your house. He points to himself and says, "Look at me, what am I like?" and disappears into the bushes.
And that's OK.
I think not.
The whole situation is rather strange. I updated two Pro 3s and our home office heavy-lifter and in all cases all the privacy defaults I had turned off during custom install were still turned off. This update appears to have had random effects which does suggest that on this occasion it was a F**kup rather than deliberate action.
""when the November update was installed, a few settings preferences may have inadvertently not been retained for advertising ID, Background apps, SmartScreen Filter, and Sync with devices.""
""when the November update was installed, a few privacy settings preferences had purposefully been turned back off for advertising ID, Background apps, SmartScreen Filter, and Sync with devices."
TFTFY
So, according to your tinfoil hat conspiracy theory, Microsoft's master plan here was to do it on purpose and then embarrassingly tell everyone they did it by mistake, and then revert it all back?
What exactly would be the point of that, other than deliberately making themselves look stupid?
Nothing tinfoil hatter about it...
MS's record over the past 3 months has shown us exactley what they are after and will do almost anything to acomplish their goal of assimilating every user and acruing every bit of data about them. If you thinks that's tin foil hattery, you crack on with your farce book and twatter accounts. At least I know i'm doing something to protect my last shreds of privacy...
First they got caught...
You missed the "cover up" from the lawyers...
Then the misdirection that it was "inadvertent"...
What may have been inadvertent was the actual release - as the users hadn't YET been conditions to accept everything MS poops out - and the information that they can rummage through your restore to get things they shouldn't have.
along with a number of commentards, I think that this was deliberate. They (MS) put all this crap in thei OS and we go and disable it. so why wouldn't they want to enable it again?
This is nothing more than
The Shape of things to come.
or
seconds out, round 2.
This is not over yet, not by a long chalk.
> along with a number of commentards, I think that this was deliberate.
Of course you do. This surprises absolutely nobody.
Should anyone be surprised that you specifically are dumb or obsessed enough to think a company (any company at all) would deliberately set out to alter settings so that at some point in the future they might possibly be able to steal data from an apparently completely random and quite small subset of upgraders, then withdraw the update that could (in a handful of cases) cause the settings changes (that might or might not allow data to be stolen depending on applications used, presence of firewalls, whether the machine was even used or not), admit that they did it (claiming incompetence) and turn all the settings back again?
Given your posting history, I think not.
Seriously, you need to get out more. You're making David Icke look rational.
"so that at some point in the future they would be able to" capture the passwords, preferences, and viewing habits of the hundreds of millions of users who failed to realize the settings had been changed.
As everyone should know by now, data is money. Money is power. Information is power. Q.E.F.D., the more info you have, the more power you can grab.
How could anyone not understand this?
> The only reason this became an "incident" is because they GOT CAUGHT.
Except that they didn't. They pulled the patch themselves when there were no reports of it doing anything weird and when asked why, told people why.
If they'd "GOT CAUGHT" then the usual Win10 Hate Brigade would have been trumpeting this for the last week. They weren't.
You're wrong.
> So just like the id that gets passed to Google Analytics by pretty much every website you go to then.
Technically it is not the website that passes stuff to Google Analytics, it is done directly from your machine by Javascript that is loaded from the web site. That JS does not run on _my_ machine because it gets blocked by NoScript and Ghostery.
@Diodesign
You dont have to HAVE it.....
*Source=Your Link
Note If the advertising ID feature is turned off by the user during the new device customization process, the feature will be turned off by default for any user account added to the device later. If they want to use the advertising ID, those users will have to explicitly turn the feature on through PC Settings.
It is optional !!!!
You can reset your unique ID, but doubt anyone who's not turned it off would know it existed.
It exists so that they can only server you relevant advertising rather than flooding you with ads that don't interest you (Ha, ha, ha, I nearly believed that for a minute)!
> It exists so that they can only server you relevant advertising rather than flooding you with ads that don't interest you (Ha, ha, ha, I nearly believed that for a minute)!
Indeed, I love this mantra. The only relevant advertising I want to see is no advertising. However all of the profiling algorithms I've seen coming from advertisers come to the incorrect conclusion and think I either want some advertising, lots of advertising or (most commonly) an utter deluge of shite advertising. Hence I'm obliged to use a range of software to correct the erroneous data coming from various advertising companies.
Note If the advertising ID feature is turned off by the user during the new device customization process, the feature will be turned off by default for any user account added to the device later. If they want to use the advertising ID, those users will have to explicitly turn the feature on through PC Settings.
So it's "opt out" instead of "opt in" then. This doesn't bode well for privacy and not being slammed with ads does it?
Note If the advertising ID feature is turned off by the user during the new device customization process, the feature will be turned off by default for any user account added to the device later. If they want to use the advertising ID, those users will have to explicitly turn the feature on through PC Settings.It is optional !!!!
Except, of course, when an ill-formed (or not) update explicitly turns it back on again....but of course, we all know that Microsoft, the Corporation of the Gods, would never do that, now don't we?
Oh...wait....
Not sure if you're being serious or not. I'd like to think there is irony there, but just in case I'll quote BlartVersenwaldIII's post a few above yours:
The only relevant advertising I want to see is no advertising
The only way to 'improve my experience of advertising' is to get rid of it.
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It does seem that Windows 10 is in desperate need of tools that can block/obfuscate/randomise these unique identifiers.
I wonder when we'll see the relevant update in the Adblockers or security software, because without them the use of 'random' IPv6 addresses services little practical purpose.
...tbh the fact they've come clean about this has left the sneering commentards looking a bit flat. If only you'd found out about this before they admitted what they'd done then maybe your paranoia would look a bit less mental.
Don't get me wrong, Windows 10 is making me seriously consider getting a linux for the home pc, but this story is not the place to rant about MS being total bastards because it just shows them as incompetent.
It's not that they messed up and had to reset the Advertising ID setting to what it was before, it's the fact that such an identifier is assigned to W10 users in the first place. Google Anal-ytics has the "decency" to work via a separate domain, which can be blocked. Making it part of the OS turns it into a different kettle of fish.
Whoever thought that up should be fed, genitalia first, into a meat grinder.
Okay, you can reset it. But just like MSFT can apparently 'accidentally' disable the privacy setting on the AdID, I don't think it's beyond them to 'accidentally' re-enable a 'reset' AdID, or generate a new one that then just happens to become correlated with your old ID.
>A kettle of fish that a user doesn't have to block because the user can just switch it off.
Except when the bastards "accidentally" turn it back on again.
An "apology" at those who read the technical news will make good all sins, though?
Compulsory updates. Mmmmmm...
On what schedule will you be checking your "please don't pwn me" settings are as you left them?
That's a bit harsh. There are folk out there who, if they're going to be shown adverts, would rather they're geared to something they may actually be interested in.
There's no such thing as free, and if the cost I'm paying is seeing ads (yes, adblocks exist, but they're for the morally vacant) then I'd rather see one that may inform on additional options for a current purchasing decision than a, for example, loft lagger in lossiemouth.
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Windows 10 is making me seriously consider getting a linux for the home pc
A bit slow on the uptake, eh?
not the place to rant about MS being total bastards because it just shows them as incompetent.
So it's OK because they're occasionally merely incompetent bastards, and full-blown proficient bastards at other times?
A bit of an arrogant prick, eh? I've tried linux's before, they've never worked well enough for me to want them driving my home pc. It's my choice.
Now MS have started to go all Google I may be tempted to move, but the linux users on here regularly put me off with their in-fighting and pomposity.
So you let other people's attitudes dissuade you from decreasing the area through which you are snooped upon?
What, you think running linux means you can't be snooped upon?
If I was in a 3/4 letter acronym organisation that minority running linux flavours would be exactly the ones I'd concentrate my efforts on.
Now MS have started to go all Google I may be tempted to move, but the linux users on here regularly put me off with their in-fighting and pomposity.
I was pompous when I was a Windows user and now I'm a pompous Linux user. Can't be bothered in-fighting; just want to own my computer...
About two months ago I posted a comment here noting that Win 10 updates reset my privacy settings to default. This was passed off at the time as "an oversight" by MS. Clearly it has happened again. How many "oversights" must we be exposed to before it dawns on people that MS do not intend to let you have any privacy at all? Data slurping IS the name of the business, and nothing must be allowed to hinder it. I have zero trust in Microsoft.
I tried Win 10 out of idle curiosity. I will certainly not be using it in the real world. The test machine no longer exists, and I am posting this from my primary Linux desktop.
Tried Windows 10, won't be keeping it. So far each attempt to make something past Windows 7 has ended in disaster for Microsoft. Fair enough each successive Windows performance has slightly improved but this for me is not enough to justify moving from Windows 7.
Windows 7 is supported till 2020 so I will continue to use it till then. If the software (and some games) that I use eventually work on other platforms like Mac or Linux then I see no reason to keep the Windows machine.
All I need to do now is filter extensively through Windows update to make sure they don't keep trying to sneak in the Windows 10 auto-upgrader. Once it is on it's a bitch to remove.
- S.A
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Okaay.
What happened to the rest if it - ..we will of course delete all of the data that we exfiltrated against the express wishes of the customer?
The thing is, this behaviour has been in Windows 10 throughout much of its development, so why are we supposed to think that it was a mere blunder? Such 'blunders' give them an obvious opportunity for a quick snapshot of whatever they're interested in and I think it would be foolish to believe that (a) it was accidental and (b) it won't happen again.
Where's the "Pull the other one" icon?
I would so like to see this message written in fire in letters thirty feet high on the far side of the Quentulus Quazgar Mountains in the land of Sevorbeupstry on the planet of Preliumtarn, which orbits the star Zarss, which is located in the Grey Binding Fiefdoms of Saxaquine.
And made out of correctly stacked MSFT executives doused in petrol.
Incompetence? Perhaps. Deliberate test? Maybe. "Oops, we're sorry" statement? Meaningless corporate PR.
Whatever the reason, the fact that the Snoopware exists at all is galling. It shouldn't even exist in the first place to be enabled and for that Microsoft should be continually clobbered in the only way they understand - the wallet.
And, before anyone responds with the ridiculous "But so-and-so tracks you via x" or a variation of, they're scum as well and that statement shouldn't distract from the bile and clobbering that MS rightly gets for this.
And, before anyone responds with the ridiculous "But so-and-so tracks you via x" or a variation of, they're scum as well and that statement shouldn't distract from the bile and clobbering that MS rightly gets for this.
I think most of us are "equal opportunity" bashers. We bash Google, advertisers, TLA's and FLA's and anyone else who slurps our PC's.
When I installed Win10 I went through and disabled/turned off every privacy related setting, app & feature etc. Even disabling the diagnostic services (they were never any bl**dy help anyway).
I have noticed that seemingly random 'background apps' keep getting re-enabled on a regular basis. My best guess is that it is updates that are doing this (it's been happening since I installed just after release). I did wonder initially if using an app made it happen, but this does not seem to be the case (and I never use 'xbox' for example which was the last one to magically re-enable).
Grrsigh.
That Windows 10 upgrade? It "accidentally" downloads to your computer even if you didn't reserve a copy.
Installing that Windows 10 upgrade? It "accidentally" was checked off to install that update this time.
[a week later]
Next year, that Windows 10 upgrade will not "accidentally" be checked off to install that update.
Your default apps? Those were "accidentally" changed to Microsoft's apps in Windows 10 when you updated the OS.
Your privacy settings? Those were "accidentally" forgotten and reset when you updated the OS.
There's a whole lot of "accidental" mistakes being made by a company that isn't "accidentally" large who doesn't "accidentally" have millions of Insiders doing their beta testing for them.
It is quite obvious to me that there are two factions at Microsoft that are fighting with one another. One faction is wanting to clamp down and control everything right away (users be damned). The other faction, while not necessarily opposed to total control, would at least like to see it done in a more gradual, phased way.
I do not for one minute believe that the reset of Privacy Settings was accidental. As we may recall, not too long ago Microsoft upgraded many Windows 7 and 8 computers to Windows 10 without user consent. They later claimed that this was "accidental". It does not seemed far-fetched to believe that someone at Microsoft simply jumped the gun, so to speak and pushed out the mandatory update to Windows 10. Perhaps this was just to see what kind of reaction there would be. Faced with overwhelming criticism and condemnation, even from journalists with a otherwise pro-Microsoft bent, they relented, and said this was just an "accident", much like they are doing now in claiming that the privacy settings change was also an accident.
I am confident that they will have a lot more "accidents" like this in the future. What unnerves me most is that they have the demonstrated ability to change privacy settings or to force users of prior versions of Windows to upgrade to 10 in the first place.
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Basically right from the beginning once Windows anal probe 10 was demonstrated to contain those Trojans, it was said, no matter what you do, what setting you try, M$ will undo them and go full anal probe mode.
It will be one whoops after another, not accidental but purposeful. The only reason they came clean once they were exposed because, yeah bit embarrassing, they were basically caught right behind you with their zipper open, probe out and ready to bend you over your keyboard.
Proof of concept, no matter your privacy setting they can and will undo them. Either you can uninstall those components completely and block their installation or basically you are an idiot if you install windows anal probe 10.
When will MS begin behaving as though they actually care about their customers? An O/S has one task; to support the applications built upon it in the most secure, efficient and reliable way possible. By now MS should be purveyors of the fastest most reliable O/S in the world, thereby also making it the most cost effective choice. Instead they chose to constantly add more and more annoying useless, fascile and fatuous bling to Windows, killing its performance and efficiency and thereby increasing cost of ownership, reducing user productivity and destroying the reputation that the MS, the O/S provider - is trying to build. How naive can these people be? Is the average age of employees at MS just 12? By all means make and sell applications, the Office suite is good, (it would be great if it too weren't also bloated with the same kind of bling that began with W8). For years we have resisted Linux and Apple because of the applications MS sell; for us that principally means Office but also Visio and many others. However W8/10 is the straw that will push us into Linux once W7 has lost all reasonable levels of support. Apple is no option as it is clearly headed down the MS path too. So wake up MS before you finally commit commercial suicide, suffocating at the hands of all the garbage you've been choking your O/S with. I'd end by saying "rant over", but I mean it.