Another update that will restart my system in the middle of class while I'm trying to take notes.
Microsoft has released an update it says is the first major release for Windows 10. Redmond said the new version of Windows 10, version 1511, will offer better performance and compatibility with third-party hardware. "With this update, there are improvements in all aspects of the platform and experience, including thousands …
Mothers these days had their teenage and university years the Nineties. Given how much simpler technology has become these days (I can install and use GNU/Linux without even touching a compiler, and say what you like about Windows 7,8 or 10, compared to the Hell that was Windows 98 using and configuring it is easy), I think parents now are probably more technically adept than most kids. Or close.
The tech-illiterate parent syndrome can probably start to enter its dying decade, I hope.
Two days ago I was unable to work on my Surface Pro 3 because windows decided that it was a good time to patch. The Surface was unavailable for over an hour while it did this (and it wasn't due to lack of patching). I ended up using a unix device to complete the job.
So, hating to disagree with you there fella, but the kid has a point...
"The Surface was unavailable for over an hour while it did this"
Really? an hour? My laptop is about the same spec (yoga2 pro) and doesnt take anywhere near that long - my kids i5 with a really slow spinny disk hdd only took 15 minutes and that was to apply a few months worth of updates..
I think you need to have a look at your machine, there is clearly something wrong.
Forgot to mention:
"Two days ago I was unable to work on my Surface Pro 3 because windows decided that it was a good time to patch"
This does not disprove my point - it just proves that you have not taken the minute required to schedule a time for the patching to happen, its three maybe four clicks (taps on your surface).
Of course, if it makes you feel better im sure there is a command line command that you can run to do the same thing - to make you feel more at home..
Except that they pulled the music and movie store from Malaysia shortly before and Cortana is still not available (but is available in India?!? WTH?).
Also, it rolled the graphics card drivers on my laptop back to pre-release July 15th, 2015 ones (that's my main beef with Windows 10. AMD released updated drivers on August 3rd and again on August 21st. Windows keeps pushing the July 15th drivers despite the drivers being already newer). Also, it did something to the drivers- AMD Quickstream keeps complaining that it couldn't find the license to operate the software.
If you think about it thats the perfect country to launch a service that sounds like its reading a badly written script and when you ask it for help it either asks you a stupid question in response or it gives you a completely irrelevant reply.
Although I am not good in it myself, English is a stupid language. GET IT. If you do not know the criteria of judging languages, then don't even think of replying or thumbing down.
I bet you Rothschilds fortunes that your accent in the major Indian language - Hindi - would be WAY MORE funny and less understanding than any Indian's english accent.
Quit moaning about India taking your country jobs. Instead, India is suffering from huge brain drain from entire West collectively.
Apart from draining best minds, West lobbies Indian education committes to degrade the syllabus content and methodilogy. Another bump. Don't ask for proof.
[I am not anymore in mood to put all that I wanted. Suck that for now]
"Although I am not good in it myself, English is a stupid language."
Well when you become good at it , get back to us.
"I bet you Rothschilds fortunes that your accent in the major Indian language - Hindi - would be WAY MORE funny"
Indian languages are already funny even when spoken by the natives. And when they do the head wobble its just pure comedy gold. :o)
"Instead, India is suffering from huge brain drain from entire West collectively."
Well since your women are unable to keep their knickers on and the men to keep their dicks in their pants for more than 5 minutes and with the consequence your population is over a billion , I don't think you have too much to worry about there.
I have discovered Linux appears to be quite stable.
This afternoon the Cat tried to interface with the keyboard and I did not manage CTRL|ALT|LOCK under his tum before his bum reset the computer. When interrogated about which key combination he had used he resorted to extreme purring.
Can someone remind me why everyone uses Windows... or is that a Facebook thing?
I will endeavour to oblige.
I try out Ubuntu (and K), Mint and Fedora on a regular basis to see 'if the time has finally come'.
Over the weekend I clean installed Ubuntu 15.10 on a dedicated drive. The FIRST of the non-ubuntu 'store' programs I installed refused to work because some dependancy was not included anymore, and I couldn't find it through their software management system.
Luckily for me, I still have a fully functional Mint system.
Last week I did a Win 10 install, and a Win 7. All the software required by the user installed. 10 had all the requirded drivers on board, all the drivers required for the 7 system were available for download from the OEM's and all of them were recent versions.
YMMV. just saying because you asked.
@Peter R. 1
Very unreasonable downvotes in response to an honest view. My experience is pretty much the same as yours - regular assessment but stumbling over issues that make the Linux experience less than the seamless transition many commentators would have you believe that it is.
I find Microsoft's recent change of tack into data mining etc., deeply troubling and I will probably leave them at some point when Windows 7 becomes unsustainable, but Linux isn't there yet. For me at least.
You are not the only one. However, if you are using the "Enterprise" edition MS are now committed to permitting you to completely strangle all telemetry with this latest update. If you are running the Pro-version you might care to take a look at "Spybot Anti-Beacon" to see if it might serve your needs. From their site:
"Spybot Anti-Beacon is a standalone tool which was designed to block and stop the various tracking (telemetry) issues present in Windows 10. It has since been modified to block similar tracking functionality in Windows 7, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 operating systems."......."Simply clicking “Immunize” on the main screen of Anti-Beacon will immediately disable any known tracking features included by Microsoft in the operating system" ***
***I should underline the point that I have no connection with that site of any kind whatsoever.
Well whilst I am in no position to guarantee anything I can say that it is the original spybot team who have been in the business for something like a decade and a half. A quick search reveals that it has been tested by a number of known and respectable sites. Whether or not it would meet your needs is of course up to you to evaluate.
"non-ubuntu 'store' programs"
You mean some 3rd party 'app' from the Software Centre? If so, It would have been nice if that had been 'caught' before 15.10 was released, but hardly an indicator of whether an OS is stable or not.
This might have been the responsibility of whoever submitted it, not Ubuntu/Canonicals.
Ubuntu is moving to 'Snappy' packages in a release or two, which should prevent those issues in the future.
"Luckily for me, I still have a fully functional Mint system."
Yes, lucky. You found the token problem you were looking for so you could dismiss an entire OS as 'refusing to work'. Although it doesn't sound like you even use Mint much by you choice of terminology.
With Linux, drivers mostly depend on how well (if at all) the kernel supports the hardware. If you have mainstream hardware your generally good to go, no fuss. If you have something exotic or very very new there is a chance of issues as hardware vendors rarely consider it worth the effort to provide anything at all.
And I tried to install firstly Suse Leap 42.1 and then Mint 17.2 on my Intel driven 5yo laptop that I decided to blow Win 10 32 bit away on. The Suse download produced an errored dvd that stalled mid way through the install ( tried two burns) twice, and and Mint 17.2 disc which I'd used before wouldn't progress past the splash screen. My original Ubuntu 14.04 installed flawlessly however - still the best distrowatch imho.
"The Suse download produced an errored dvd that stalled mid way through the install"
In my experience if there's any kind of error on a DVD then installation is probably a waste of time
Was the .iso checksum OK ?. If it was and your hardware will support it why not use a USB install ?
Leap is 42.1 is very new - I'd use 13.2 - I've installed that on a number of machines with no problems at all. I'd also use a liveDVD or LiveUSB to check everything out and then use the install option from that.
' Re Leap is very new. ...'
Totally agree with you. To clarify I had already tried out the iso in Virtual Box and it had worked fine, so the problem was in the burning process. There is no Live DVD for Suse Leap so I risked it. I posted my original comment in response to someone else posting about the benefits of Mint and comments around the stability of Suse. I don't like USB installs as I can't really be bothered with all the mucking about that it takes to prepare the pen drive. Much easier to burn the iOS to disk and this is only the second time that a DVD hasn't worked.
I've found Linux to be a matter of personal experience and it can still be a hit and miss affair with regards to variables like hardware compatibility, software bugs and glitches and the like.
Personally had the best results from various Ubuntu versions over the years and have never had much success with distros like Arch, Fedora, Mint or Non Linux BSD.
"To clarify I had already tried out the iso in Virtual Box and it had worked fine, so the problem was in the burning process."
Can I enquire if you used the 'check installation media' option from the boot menu of the .iso. In my experience that shows up all flaky disks ( unless they are so bad that they don't boot ) Also - was the .iso checksum correct ?
My experiences over many years with OpenSUSE, installing on all sorts of machines is completely positive.
antiX 15 is an excellent light weight Linux distro and they in conjunction with Mepis make MX-14, 15 in beta, which is a little heavier as it has a more traditional GUI. Both are great. I should mention that I have no relationship to either distro other than being a satisfied user of those distros.
"Can someone remind me why everyone uses Windows"
Because it the most supported desktop OS in the world?
Also contrary to popular belief Linux doesn't always work. I had no end end of pain getting bloody mouse to work on my system along with it being convinced I have a HDMI monitor (along with my real one) attached and deciding to use it as a primary monitor.
2 hours dicking around with these two very basic things drove me mad. Searching shows these are not uncommon issues.
@Lost all Faith - I'm astonished - that's the first time I've ever heard of anybody having problems with a mouse being recognised in Linux. I'm curious as to what caused the problem, if you'd not mind sharing, so that if I ever come across that problem I'll have some idea of what's up.
Mouse Issue example
Same in MINT
As par the course for Linux, had to resort to command line fixes. of course, due to the fact it thought I had a non-existent monitor, guess where the shell was coming up...so had to spend a hour finding that issue first.
For most the larger and easy access distros (Mint, Suse, Puppy etc.) and some of the others (Slitaz comes to mind) you don't need to go to the terminal for much, even during initial set-up, at least for an average desktop setup. Even with AMD graphics (as long as you stick to the OSS drivers).
If you are going to try to use hardware from firms that don't give a shit and implement stuff that can only be operated by their drivers that is your own lookout (the only peripherals I've had issues with is Logitech).
Other distros make no effort to avoid the command line (arch, gentoo and the like). Their intended userbase are expected to be able to use the CLI - it's intended.
"...you don't need to go to the terminal for much"
But i think that is often still too much. I've dabbled a little in Linux over the years and i'm really impressed with the live disc operating systems (if you need to rescue a pc with a dodgy disk, Knoppix is excellent). Incredible to think that you can just boot from a CD and have a usable system in a few minutes.
but i've never switched over fully. just feels like too much effort, plus i do want support for a few old games that i might get to play again some day. whenever i did try linux, i would always get to some point where the thing that i wanted to do required me to use the command window... and it's hard to go along with that. either i blindly trust the command as written on the net (not least, that i know what it does and that it does what i expect it to) or i have to learn a whole language just ot set a folder permission or something. That's my experience of desktop linux. great up to the point where you need to type "sudo", but that point will always come.
in fairness to MS, i think that the windows 7 install process was impressive... load the disc, put in some info (like username, product key and WiFi / network access etc.) then just leave it for about an hour, come back and it was done. I'm sure it isn' that simple every time, but the last few times i have re-installed 7 it was very simple.
and i never had to resort to a command window. so that's why i still use windows.
just my opinion.. and i'm putting off going back to work on a sunny friday afternoon... :)
There will always be things more convenient to do on a command line a opposed to through a gui.
It is why, after all, after years of ignoring the command window, Powershell was introduced on Windows.
The casual Desktop user shouldn't have to go near the linux equivalent any more than the windows user should, and unless you are doing something complicated I think this is currently as true for linux as it is for Windows (as long as you are using a good desktop ui on a well set up distro).
I've met a number of ubuntu users of late who are lost on the command line (didn't even know what apt-get was), but they never need to use it, and most Linux installers never drop you into the command line at any point (and indeed install in half the time (about 20-30 minutes).
There are always going to be issues with hardware that require tweaking to work. This is difficult to sort due to the vast range of hardware in use on 'PCs' and the fact that many manufacturers only write drivers for the most popular platforms (windows), and if they do provide a linux driver it's generally very beta, not been updated for ages or doesn't support their older products.
Old Windows games are not a problem (mostly) on linux either (especially dos/95 era games) and also older windows games tend to have stable support under wine.
@HamsterNet - the Terminal is only there for you to use IF you want to, same as the command line is in Windows. You don't have to go anywhere near it if you don't want to.
And if you;re talking about situations where you;re installing to the latest hardware, well, let;s see:
- kit sold with Windows in mind; - MS and various hardware vendors work on drivers before kit is released. User buys kit with Windows installed (or installs Windows themselves) , and all is sweetness and light, fair enough.
- user installs Linux on same kit as above. Open source coders haven;t yet had time to produce drivers to make the new stuff work as well as it might (or, occasionally at all). However, some months down the line, open source coders catch up with that kit. All is now sweetness and light.
Or, put rather more bluntly - if you're technically able and confident enough to be installing operating systems and mess around with software, you should be bright enough to understand why Linux is best installed on slightly older kit, not bleeding-edged stuff. And if you're not, then I wouldn't want you looking after ANY kit, Windows or otherwise.
People that keep failing to take into account the amount of time it takes to develop drivers and fail to acknowledge that the situation as it has been thus far has always disadvantaged the open-source coders will always feel that Linux isn;t desktop-ready yet.
Those who actually want to just use desktop PCs for everyday kind of tasks will find that Linux on kit a couple of years old works fine in the vast majority of cases. Once installed, it gives a lot less problems than WIndows, is more customisable, and is likely to be more secure than Windows on the same kit for the average user (if only because they'll be getting their software from a vetted repository, instead of going to free software sites and downloading malkware-infested software, but there are other aspects to the security angle as we all know, I'm sure). Add to that the lack of data-slurping, and that's most concerns most people have with a home PC dealt with. Linux in the workplace is another matter, of course.
YMMV, as ever, but I find it peculiar that some of the experts here seem to find Linux problematic whereas a non-expert user like me not only has seldom had problems with it in a decade of use, but neither have folk I've helped get started with Linux, all of whom are considerably less techyy than me.
It's almost as if if you find Linux problematic, then you're too niche a computer user. Weird.
Personally I use Windows at home because I play games, and it's still the OS with the widest support for gaming.
At work, it's more of a legacy thing, but until the last few years Active Directory/Group Policy was one of the best ways of administering lots of users, at the right price (free).
> Active Directory/Group Policy was one of the best ways of administering lots of users
Sadly it still is. Unless there is something new that I'm entirely unaware of..
 Entirely possible. Despite having a brain the size of a planet sometimes I get asked to open doors and so miss stuff.
 Yes yes - I know you can run Samba4 in DC mode. It's 'almost but not entirely like' Active Directory and doesn't play entirely nicely with Genuwine Winders. Admittedly, I only tried it on my home vanilla AD domain but that put me off even suggesting it at work. Especially a $EvilOutSourcer quivered with fear (then delight when they realised how much they could potentially charge us for it) would be in charge..
Windows server costs approx a grand, give or take depending on licensing program you're a part of. Hardly free. Although for a large corporation it's a drop in the bucket.
But it pisses me royally off that one is *forced* to buy windows enterprise in order to not have microsoft hammer the network with garbage traffic while spying on our users.
Have you actually used Windows 10? Because if you had, you wouldn't make such a silly statement.
Now, now. There's no reason to be so up-in-arms, ol' chap. You shouldn't underestimate the OP's ability to issue silly statements on the basis of the limited evidence provided. Trolls are a silly sort, after all.
I read this and I shrugged, I read a more detailed description. I shrugged again.
So the unloved Edge now integrates with the unlovable Cortana. Wow.
And the kludgy start menu will now show all of the programme links, so that there is enough room to show all your programmes in their own unwanted folders without removing the crap links that you never wanted anyway ("My progname on the web" "Get more of our stuff" and so on).
But we still won't be able to actually set the start menu up in some kind of order, or get rid of those built-in (cr)apps that only a command line instruction can even appear to remove without some pretty fierce tinkering
Pity there's no icon for ex-Windows fan.
My gripe from the beginning about Windows 8.x and now 10 has been about user choice. Why must Microsoft eliminate widely used features because they think other, replacement features are in fact better? This isn't just a rant for Microsoft either (I'm looking at you, Adobe, Google, etc.).
If you want to make money as a developer, you have to produce a product that people want. Feel free to innovate, but continue to give people what they want. Is that so hard to understand?
I've attempted to move from Win 7 to Win 10 twice and both times I ended up rolling back because I couldn't get my Creative sound card working properly. I've researched it very thoroughly and the official Microsoft standpoint is (in not the same words): Creative have made a complete mess of this, probably deliberately in an attempt to force people to buy new sound cards ...
It will always be a WIP, I just installed another update to a Win8.1 machine. No doubt updates are still occurring for W7 too.
The initial release of W10 definitely had rough edges. Edge is very fast but limited for instance. But W10 it is definitely stable.
It is like saying W7 wasn't finished because they added BT4.1 support years later.
And W10 isn't complete per se perhaps but changes will be bug fixes and additional features like this lot coming I guess. I don't have massive requirements, not a gamer although this laptop has a GeForce thing in it, supported and updated several times already. The fingerprint reader works for instance without the HP additional sw, very useful for that Windows Hello business.
Some fancier BT support would be good, I just installed a W7 thing that added some, worked too, which says a lot on its own.
Windows 10 was hyped as being the last Windows release. This implies that Slurp is using a rolling release model rather a scheduled release model. The best rolling release Linux distros are not considered stable enough for regular Linux users. Assuming the Linux experience is valid, rolling release distros are trickier to keep running than scheduled release distros then W10 stability will be somewhat erratic compared to previous Windows versions. Thus W10 will act more consistently like a very late beta/release candidate over time; which is the nature of rolling release Linux distros.
I use a rolling release Linux distro (Antergos, Arch derivative) and can confirm one has to be more alert and willing to fix minor issues than with scheduled release distro like Linux Mint. If this behavior rears its head with W10 there will be more user complaints when less skilled users start using it. Compounding this, is Slurps relative inexperience with a rolling release compared with Arch Linux' 8+ years.
"Thus W10 will act more consistently like a very late beta/release candidate over time; which is the nature of rolling release Linux distros."
AFAICS that was the plan for the consumer versions. The business versions get the fixes after the beta testers have checked them out. They've learned from Red Hat/Fedora.
Actually Fedora and Red Hat are separate projects/products. While Red Hat does push the envelope more with Fedora it is a not the beta version of RHEL in the manner the W10 Home/Pro are real beta versions for enterprise. Fedora is intended to a more advanced but stable distro with newer features than the much more conservative RHEL. Also, there are several distros which are basically rebranded RHEL such as Centos
reply to my comment...
I installed it yesterday, took ages, two hours. Worked. Visible differences:
1. Context menu on start button more W10y.
2. Edge has tab previews on hover (which is nice because they disappeared from the task bar).
3. Title bars are smaller and neater, big enough to use touch but not as big as previously I think.
4. Selecting a directory for screen background now allows top-of-tree dirs so you can shuffle (also new I think) all the photos in a tree if you desire - which is obviously how it should have been in the first place.
Probably loads of other stuff I don't see, won't see or haven't seen yet but nothing radical.
Name me a desktop OS that is finished (ignoring those that get 'finished' through abandonment or those burned into hardware)?
All OS, whether distributions of Linux, OSX and Windows remain largely unfinished. The earlier they are in their release cycle, the more issues crop up. I'm not saying Windows is perfect, but over the last 20 years, I've yet to find a completely flawless OS.
Perpetual fixes for bugs - ah, you mean patches. So these don't exist outside of Windows either? And as for phones, well, do we really need to go into flaws and bugs in Android or iOS, let alone Windows Phone/Mobile/Telex/Fax...?
The more features and twiddly bits people want, the more complexity rises and the greater the risk of faults creep in. Unless you want a really small, functionally hobbled install (which can really only be achieved with Linux), then its an inevitable evil.
Got it setup since August on three machines, some quite exotic, and it's been working great so far. Two are upgrades from 7 and 8.1 and one is a new installation following SSD crash - bloody OCZ Vertex 2, that's just the second one giving up on me. You still get the odd bug - see above post - but all in all it's been a really smooth experience for me. I never could get used to Windows 8 without proper start menu but 10 really brings the best of both 7 and 8 together.
Looking forward for that upgrade.
Also running a couple of Linux servers. They are working fine too.
The Shadow of the Penguin
You mentioned 'Linux' just then. So you can't moan about it being mentioned in other comments.
It started (in this thread) with one poster talking about their cat and using linux (her, not the cat - maybe ). Since then, most of the posts about 'linux' have been people mentioning 'linux' in order to complain that 'linux' was being mentioned.
Linux is clearly most talked about, unfortunately those most talking about it don't have anything relevant to add to the discussion, either about linux or Windows 10.
I have a common machine, and Windows 10 cannot run on it. Phenom II rig with nForce980a motherboard with a pair of GTX650 Ti Boosts. The rub comes in that the onboard GeForce 8100 which I have been using for CUDA cannot work in tandem with the 650 Ti Boosts. Microsoft insists on installing two separate video driver packages, of which only one can be active at a given time. This means that if I choose to use the 650 Ti Boosts, I cannot use the 8100, and if I choose the 8100, well, broken system- the motherboard is an Asus M4N98TD-Evo- which left the 8100 active but not have any video headers whatsoever- Asus expects one to use the 8100 only for CUDA. The last working driver for the system is 341.44, the exclusive 341 drivers for Win10 strangely omits supporting anything newer than GeForce300 cards, while the newer 350 drivers offered for the 650 Ti Boosts omit support for the 8100. If I install 341.44 for Windows 8.1, it will only get undone as Microsoft will smugly "try to help" by upgrading my drivers automatically every now and then given that Win10 does not allow one to turn of automatic updates, even if it's drivers. It seems that my only resolve is to downgrade the 650Ti Boosts to the pair of 260 GTXes in the store room (and even that I don't know how well it would go, I think the 260 have overheated and burnt out given the frequency of BSODs and graphical glitches on them- why I threw them aside for 450s and then 650s).
And oh, regarding the SBZ comment above, it's more or less the same issue with the X-Fi Platinum. Except that even digital passthrough doesn't work.
But nanny Microsoft knows best....
so do what she says or get the hell out of town.
That's the impression I get from seeing reviews/comments/articles and some limited experience with W10.
I just don't see the need to use it at all.
I have just rebuild my Work Laptop after an HDD failure. I installed Server 2012 rather than W7 (or later).
Yes I have a legal license. It came from a canned project.
Got it tweaked to my wants and not a stupid tile anywhere to be seen.
Dear Satnad, can we have the option to have the Server Desktop on W10?
Do that and I predict the uptake will be a lot more than that measly 8% it is currently at.
Go on, take a punt. you never know it might be a success....
Give people a choice. Not everyone wants to drive a Black Model 'T' you know.
There is a lot not to like without ever using it e.g. telemetry, forced updates, overwriting drivers, Cortana, etc. Plus I'd never agree to the Win10 licence agreement in a million years.
So, it doesn't matter how good the Win 10 OS is now or in the future, the above points are deal breakers for many users.
Personally, I've found a way to end my decades long association with MS rather than upgrade any of my machines to Win 10. MS forced my hand and I wasn't locked in so I left.
I've used W10 and it still has the same shit, slow, antiquated update engine of previous incarnations of Windows but now with brand new added stupidity.
Windows update is an embarrassment and Microsoft should be ashamed. I can have a brand new Linux system installed, patched and fully configured even before Windows has gone through it's first patch reboot.
Instead of arsing about with icons and twiddling with colours, fix some really important things.
I have two dead Win10 computers from clients on my desk and neither will work. One has the 'left mouse click doesn't work' bug and the other has the 'screen flash' bug. Revert to Win7 and 8.1 for both of them, because older operating systems which haven't been released 12 months before they're stable don't crash and burn like this.
I really don't understand Microsoft on this. This update appears to finally add something for "enterprise" when enterprise is their fucking bread and butter. This kind of shit should have been priority 1.
You get businesses on board, and usage of windows would naturally trickle down... Nope, not with the new function-follows-form Microsoft...lets release a half-assed retail version of windows and then bolt on what our *paying* customers want after the fact.
I've had a long career shoveling Microsoft's crapware, but it's getting harder and harder. I'm secretly hoping Microsoft has a plan B, for those customers who have absolutely no plans to upgrade to their latest flagship shit show but really, I know there isn't.
"I really don't understand Microsoft on this."
It's not difficult to understand. Enterprise doesn't want untested software so the little people get to be beta testers. It's not enterprise coming second, it's non-enterprise clearing the minefield first.
This must have been what the very brief "configuring windows" message that flashed up on PC last night was all about. They do seem to have made the update process less intrusive than it used to be, just as well as they force them on you!
I must say Windows 10 has been very smooth for me since upgrading from Windows 7. It boots up in half the time W7 did and no crashes or bugs that have affected me. To be honest though, apart from improved boot up time there are no new features I've actually used :-\. Oh well I'll take a 50% boot time improvement for free!
Most of the hate seems not to be coming from the linux userbase, but from those still on Windows.
The posts that mention linux are mostly testimonials and the usual FUD or old issues in response from those that feel threatened by it.
I am confused by reference to outdated comments...But then it's lunchtime (and a Friday) and I've already had a half pint.
Some of the harshest criticism is from those who value privacy and a minimal amount of corporate ethics. The concern is genuine and based the Slurp's behavior with W10 and before. Many have been burned by Slurp numerous times before (do not ask my opinion the Slurp's user help - not fit the public) and are fed up with being burned again. My Windows boxes will not be updated to W10 but will remain with their current versions. Because of Slurp's antics they will be permanently banned from the Internet and they will never again phone home. They are currently dual boot with Linux Mint which is the primary OS on them.
I have a feeling that I'll be in the same situation as time goes on - a Mint laptop for "work," and a Win box for gaming. There's no doubt in my mind that <u>at this point in time,</u> a Windows box is superior to a Linux machine for most / high end gaming, though that may change as time goes by. However, for "real work," such as web browsing, office-type apps, balancing my check (-que?) book and other mundane day-to-day tasks, the Mint box does exactly what I want, without the faffing about of the tiles, weird interface (compared to 7) and other humbuggery that WX brings to the table. My PC is a tool, not a plaything for MS to muck about with as they see fit. The rest of the household is perfectly happy with their Windows 8.1 machines - but they've no updated to 10 yet. Nor will they until there's no choice.
I don't use Linux and I never have done. I don't hate MS. But let me tell you about my week.
Last night about 9:30pm I logged on to my computer for the first time all day to find that Outlook was broken. It turned out that an update had borked it. Cue 60 minutes of tech troubleshooting at the very end of a very long day indeed.
This morning I picked up a computer running Office 2013 which refuses to acknowledge the licence that was installed on it last week. This morning I fixed a Windows 7 Pro machine which had somehow decided it had an illegal copy of Win7 on it.
This afternoon I'm backing up the files from one machine which has totally failed (due to MS updates in Win10). Yesterday I did the same to another machine which has totally failed (due to MS updates in Win10). This weekend I will be - guess what - restoring those machines to factory settings and restoring all the files and then I can return them to the customers next week.
It's my job. Fine. But my job is being made 20 x harder by Microsoft NOT DOING SOME BASIC FUCKING TESTS BEFORE THEY ROLL OUT A NEW OPERATING SYSTEM OR A FEW UPDATES.
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The 3 machines on 10 seem to work fine, upgrade went smoothly (apart from having to force it with the media creation tool) a fourth one wouldn't upgrade by that route, not investigated further yet.
The upgrade to EL Capitan was dreadful, basically it trashed the machine. It worked once then wouldn't complete a second boot. (Not a unique situation, I have since found.) It also seems like a lot of software won't run. End result after a LOT of faffing around was a dual boot system (fresh installs) of Snow Leopard/El Capitan.
It is like Microsoft and Apple have traded teams. The WIn 7/8 update to 10 was as smooth as pretty much every previous OS X upgrade I have done, while the SL to El Cap upgrade was as bad as the worst windows upgrade I've ever done.
Typically an over the top upgrade for Windows is something I would avoid, (but obviously required to get the free Windows 10 activation). But it worked fine twice and had a trivial issues once. (And refused once).
Anyone planning an El Cap upgrade, I suggest waiting, or doing an install on a separate drive or partition.
I'm no Microsoft basher - I run their operating systems and applications on all my PCs and I am generally happy with their product set.
BUT the latest Win 10 update has made changes to my non-Microsoft applications - a space where the Operating System should not be dabbling.
The two issues that I've noted so far (I've only been running it since this morning) are:
1) It removed Piriform's Speccy application from my PC and put it in windows.old - displaying a message about this for all of 5 seconds, which I was lucky to see, but not offering me any option to prevent this
2) It changed the association for .PDF files from Foxit Reader to Microsoft Edge - again, without warning or permission
An operating system update should not be dabbling in the user/application space without permission. I've no idea what other changes could have been made, but it's not acceptable behaviour.
"You could not make it up."
Far from it. It's common to large organisations of all kinds. They are unable to learn from experience. The people involved in one cycle might be badly burned enough to learn but next time round they've gone on to other employers or left to spend more time with their money. There's no mechanism which records "we don't do that because..." so a whole new lot of people come along to make the same mistake.
Of course there may well be people in the organisation who do remember but they're in pay grades which rate their knowledge as irrelevant.
This is a full install of a new version. Similar process to the original Windows10.
And it still assumes that Windows is installed on the disk the system booted from.
Clearly Microsoft has no imagination.
I boot from disk 2 so I get a grub menu, with timeout, and can manually chose Linux.
The default boots Windows from disk 1 (so my wife doesn't have to do anything to get t where she wishes to be). This update/install can't handle this.
All 3GB downloaded, installed, and I restarted. The box came up, a big 0 showed for a split second, then a "normal" looking boot occurred.
Windows told me the update had failed.
So into Windows Update - that re-applied what it had already downloaded but with the same effect on rebooting. Then I remembered the boot order, so changed it in the BIOS.
Reboot and back into Windows Update. This was convinced I was "Up to Date", but when I asked it to check it agreed I wasn't - and decided to download all 3GB again!
At least it looks more promising now. - it's reached 54% after ~30 mins...I still have Configure Settings got come - I'm hoping it remembers what I had...
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