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Expect scientists to start arguing about whether there's a match in the long (very long) term between mass extinctions and rising number of comet/asteroid impacts, which, at least according to a new paper, both appear to occur around every 26 million years. Over the years, there have been many attempts to run that hypothesis, …

  1. lawndart

    says:

    Only 70,000 years ago a faint binary star system passed very close to Sol. Scholtz's Star actually passed through the Oort cloud and would have perturbed the orbits of innumerable comets, asteroids and other gravelly/icy bits. In about 2 million years our descendants (or their evolutionary successors) will have a target's eye view of an incoming storm of debris. The 26 million year event may be irrelevant.

    1. Jason Hindle Silver badge

      Re: says:

      Well, if our descendants haven't developed anti gravity, by that point, then we deserve extinction.

    2. Tom 7

      Re: says:

      Man's greatest worry is Homo Sapiens - the next century looks dodgy.

    3. aeonturnip
      Mushroom

      Re: says:

      The science says it won't be a biggie (see arxiv link). There will be a lot more things to worry about before that.

      http://arxiv.org/abs/1502.04655

      1. asdf
        Trollface

        Re: says:

        >There will be a lot more things to worry about before that.

        Well at least if Niven is right and the black hole in the middle of the galaxy has shit itself with a GRB we won't have to worry for another 20,000+ years.

    4. WalterAlter
      Mushroom

      I'm gonna tell you one thing, kid...

      Younger Dryas Event

      http://cosmictusk.com/clovis-population-decline-at-younger-dryas

      http://craterhunter.wordpress.com/

      http://sites.google.com/site/dragonstormproject/

      1. asdf

        Re: I'm gonna tell you one thing, kid...

        Bah Toba came a lot closer to wiping humans out than the Younger Dryas. Space rocks get the press but its probably the volcanism (which admittedly space rocks might cause) that does most the actual killing.

  2. W Donelson

    Don't worry

    Don't worry. We will do ourselves in LONG before any asteroids....

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Mayan calendar

    They were warning us!

  4. Michael H.F. Wilkinson Silver badge
    Joke

    We really, really

    need to invent slood!

  5. Amorous Cowherder
    Pint

    When you have a species obsessed by the movements of little green pieces of paper ( Cheers Douglas! ) and the fame of celebrities who contribute next to nothing in the grand scheme of things ( Thanks Facebook/Twitter and Simon Cowell ), I reckon we'll be extinct in around 250 years!

    I'll have 6 pints and several bags of peanuts please and hurry up, the species is about implode in on itself....

  6. Ashton Black

    Energy

    Ok, the only way we are going to survive long term is getting off this mudball, but with enough "stuff" that would allow whoever is not left behind to rebuild after some future catastrophe. (See Seveneves by Neal Stephenson for his take on just this point)

    The trouble is, that getting that "stuff" up there, wherever that may be, costs a fortune in energy and keeping it running costs yet more. We've had a massive revolution in information processing but no concurrent revolution in energy storage/production. (The last major step was fission, back in 1939!)

    Until such time as it's relatively cheap to do do, we're pretty much screwed.

    1. asdf

      Re: Energy

      >Ok, the only way we are going to survive long term is getting off this mudball

      Does getting true artificial intelligence off world count? That is probably our best best as being bags of fluid we are real pain in the ass to keep functioning in all but the most special of circumstances.

      1. Fingerless Pyro

        Re: Energy

        > >Ok, the only way we are going to survive long term is getting off this mudball

        > Does getting true artificial intelligence off world count?

        Only for very odd values of "we".

        1. asdf

          Re: Energy

          >> Does getting true artificial intelligence off world count?

          > Only for very odd values of "we".

          But its the only way we can be sure the universe won't lose the precious gift that is fart jokes for nearly eternity (until quantum tunneling/mechanics brings it back around).

    2. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      Re: Energy

      Absolutely. Every single major advance of human civilization is directly tied to the amount of energy available to the average human being.

      Before agriculture, we were hunter-gatherers. Not much time to build when everyone is following herds of wild animals to be able to eat.

      Agriculture came along, and that made us sedentary, but agriculture only really took off when we domesticated animals, allowing one man and a pair of oxen to do in one day what many would take several days to do. This freed some people to pursue other activities, notably construction.

      Things pretty much stayed the same until steam came about, which launched the Industrial Revolution. Followed closely by electricity, and that was really the thing that set the ball rolling.

      With electricity and the internal combustion engine, the average person in our civilization acquired the ability to till entire fields with a tractor in a day, or cover hundreds of miles in a car. This expansion of available energy is why one farmer today can feed thousands of people, who are free to go do all the rest of things our society needs.

      Most importantly, our society needs to research other energetic sources. The greatest challenge we face today is energy storage. We still cannot reliably store the excess energy produced by our power plants, which is why they have to be able to vary their power output.

      The other issue is, of course, escaping our planetary gravity well. I'm convinced that some form of fusion will, in the future, allow humanity to build ships that can, like in Star Wars or any other sci-fi universe, take off from a planetary surface and reach orbit without losing any significant amount of mass.

      When we have achieved that, the colonization of our solar system will be a given, and we will embark upon that path until we find a way to span the unimaginable distances between stars in a hyperspace-like time frame.

      So let's get cracking on that fusion thing !

      1. garyn

        Re: Energy

        "So let's get cracking on that fusion thing !"

        We could all have been energy rich if the carbon cartel hadn't demonised fission. The Nuclear powered warships/submarines are very safe and efficient, so let a quasi-military force run hundreds or thousands of community based reactors, the Toshiba 4S perhaps. The bigger-is-better reactor designs are meant to line the pockets of Big Construction, smaller ones could be mass produced.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Boffin

          Re: Energy

          With all this talk of "Back to the Future Day", why don't we have Mr. Fusion yet?

        2. JeffyPoooh
          Pint

          Re: Energy

          "...smaller ones could be mass produced."

          Yay! More of this...

          http://mashable.com/2013/12/05/radiation-mexican-truck-thieves/

          We've some work to do first, on human nature.

        3. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
          Thumb Down

          Re: Energy

          "The bigger-is-better reactor designs are meant to line the pockets of Big Construction, smaller ones could be mass produced."

          2 down votes but no one willing to argue why not? Unthinking greenies or "big construction" shills?

          1. Schick
            Flame

            Re: Energy

            GREENIES. Guaranteed. Brainless, techphobe, innumerate, science-illiterate, wooo-soaked greenies. (Note: This rant from a tree-planting, bird-feeding, re-cycling nature lover.) Greenpeace is to Science what Thor the Thundergod is to Meteorology and "why the hell is it raining again???"

  7. Alistair
    Windows

    Well, if we want to plan ahead.

    The moties had it right. They kept archives. Of *everything*. No one was allowed to touch them. It shortened the evolutionary and technology cycles substantially for them.

    <I'll note, we are *starting* that with the seed caches, but we need to go farther with the exercise>

  8. Ilmarinen
    Coat

    More worryingly...

    What about the impending arival of the "unlucky" No. 13 bus? As a solipsist, I try my best - but you could all be doomed because of a single point of failure!

    Now, where's my clean underwear?

  9. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

    Well, from where I sit (comfy chair) this looks a lot more like correlation than causality. Interesting read nevertheless.

  10. smartypants

    Wrong direction

    It's easy to survive an asteroid impact... You Just have to be the right sort of animal.

    The wrong sort is one at the top of the food chain. Small arthropods and the amoeba have it sorted. No need for noisy rockets!

    How to start the valiant descent of Man? Social media and commenting on tech websites perhaps!

  11. Kharkov
    Angel

    Tick, Tock, Clarice...

    First, the obligatory comment...

    Large rocks from space delivered to your front door are nature's way of asking, "How's that Space Program coming along?"

    And a bit more seriously...

    I'd say that we have the technology to get a colony of people off this planet already. The reason we haven't done it yet is we haven't prioritised it highly enough. Christopher Columbus didn't have to research a better ship, or better food-storage methods, he went with what was at hand (both bits of tech, the ships and food-storage, had been around for a while) and the discovery happened because someone... decided to go.

    Governments aren't likely to get this done anytime soon but once SpaceX is back on track, and my personal favourite, Skylon, is in service (six years away and counting down...) I think the Private sector will likely get it done.

    And the more people/infrastructure we have in space, the more likely we'll be to spot the next rock due to bump into Earth and stop it.

    1. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

      Re: Columbus

      Columbus had to fight for years to get the funding - sounds eerily familiar, doesn't it.

      When he finally got it, his budget was considerably lower than the cost of the average party thrown by the then queen of Spain.

    2. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: Tick, Tock, Clarice...

      Christopher Columbus [blah blah rubbish] and the discovery happened because someone... decided to go.

      Cristobol Colon didn't "discover" anything that wasn't already well-known to the European merchant class. It's just that prior to that particular innumerate idiot's voyage, the aristocracy didn't know about the "New World" - which is just how the merchants liked it. Your analogy only works if we get up there and discover that a bunch of private-sector corporations have been quietly running space colonies for centuries.

      1. JeffyPoooh
        Pint

        Re: Tick, Tock, Clarice...

        "[Cristoforo Colombo, a.k.a. Cristóbal Colón, a.k.a. Cristóvão Colombo] didn't 'discover' anything that wasn't already well-known to the European merchant class."

        Known also to the people that had already been living here for tens of thousands of years.

        Obviously...

        /pendant

        1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

          Re: Tick, Tock, Clarice...

          Known also to the people that had already been living here for tens of thousands of years.

          Well, yes, but they didn't tell the European aristocracy, which was my point.

          /necklace

  12. JeffyPoooh
    Pint

    "...they've accurately dated 37 impact craters..."

    The graph gives the impression of containing a lot more data than just 37 data points.

    With just 37 data points, you'd expect more of a histogram with clearly obvious discrete steps from the low resolution data in any particular time slice bin.

    Something's fishy.

    1. JeffyPoooh
      Pint

      Re: "...they've accurately dated 37 impact craters..."

      It's too bad that there isn't a nearby planetary body with a larger selection of impact craters.

      1. Parash2

        Re: "...they've accurately dated 37 impact craters..."

        How about the Moon?

        1. JeffyPoooh
          Pint

          Re: "...they've accurately dated 37 impact craters..."

          "How about the Moon?"

          OMG! I never thought of that!

          LOL...

  13. Stone Fox

    millions of years in the bank? More like less that 50.

    If Guy McPherson (and a range of climate science heavyweights) are correct then the Clathate gun has gone off and we'll be lucky if there are any people left by 2070. And if there are, they'll likely be a few thousand cowering in specially prepared bunkers ( http://survivalcondo.com/ ) waiting for Methane firestorm shockwaves or increased geological activity to crack their flimsy habitats.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/climate-change-and-the-methane-crisis-an-interview-with-dr-guy-mcpherson

    We WISH we had a few million years in the bank.

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