back to article Wileyfox smartphones: SD card, no bloatware, Cyanogen, big battery – yes to all!

New British mobe maker Wileyfox has launched a pair of Cyanogen smartphones. The £199 SIM-free Storm has an eight-core 64-bit ARMv8 Qualcomm Snapdragon 615 system-on-chip running at up to 1.5GHz, 32GB of storage and 3GB of RAM, a 20Mp Sony EXMOR main camera and an 8Mp front-facing cam, 1920 x 1080 5.5” touchscreen display, and …

  1. Gene Cash Silver badge

    So is it rooted/rootable? And is there a chance of FCC acceptance on this side of the pond?

    1. djstardust

      Nice one .....

      So, while Samsung are looking for over £800 for their latest and greatest we have a device with great specs for £200. You have to ask if Samsung et al are losing it, or just plainly ripping us off.

      I can't see any reason it can't be rooted as it already supports CM. It will be sold in the UK by Clove and such.

      SD slot, 3gb RAM, HD screen .... The specs are impressive. Only thing is the 2500Mah battery which is not removable. What not to like......

      Very soon, people will just stop paying £50 a month for a mobile, as the operators are now in on the act and seriously overcharging for the 24 month deals.

      I have the Galaxy note 4 which is a great device, but is it really £369 better than this one?

      1. mrweekender

        Re: Nice one .....

        "You have to ask if Samsung et al are losing it, or just plainly ripping us off."

        Just ripping us off...

        1. John Sanders

          Re: Nice one .....

          Hey if Apple can do it why not somebody else/Samsung?

        2. AndrueC Silver badge

          Re: Nice one .....

          "You have to ask if Samsung et al are losing it, or just plainly ripping us off."

          Just ripping us off...

          Hang on a minute. Why can't it be both?

    2. Mark Wilson

      Unlikely to be rooted

      I doubt it will come rooted as it is Cyanogen OS NOT CyanogenMod, the OS version does not typically come rooted, as to whether it can be rooted, it was certainly possible to root the One Plus so I would imagine this would also be possible.

  2. The humble print monkey

    Say it is true

    The £199 SIM-Free “Storm” has an eight-core Qualcomm 615 processor running at up to 1.5GHz, 32Gb RAM, 20Mp Sony EXMOR camera, 1920 x 1080 5.5” display and a 128 GB micro SD card slot.

    32giggles of RAM!

    How can I turn this into a laptop?

    1. Snowy Silver badge

      Re: Say it is true

      Sadly it is not true and it is 3GB of RAM, 32GB of internal flash.

      1. Chris G Silver badge

        Re: Say it is true

        3 gigs of RAM and 32gigs onboard with the rest is pretty impressive at that price though, my Huawei is two years old now and I fancy a change, this could be it.

        The wimpy battery means spending 11€ in Lidl for an explosion free 5600mAh power pack.

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      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Say it is true

        Still confused -- it says "32Gb RAM" which would be 8GB RAM... So which is it, 3GB or 8GB?

        (Guessing 3GB since the cheaper model has 2GB RAM.)

        1. James O'Shea

          Re: Say it is true

          "Still confused -- it says "32Gb RAM" which would be 8GB RAM... So which is it, 3GB or 8GB?

          (Guessing 3GB since the cheaper model has 2GB RAM.)"

          Errm... 32Gb is 4GB, not 8 GB. The possibility exists that it is really 32Gb, a.k.a 4GB, with up to 1 GB of it not being available to the user, and therefore leaving 3GB for use.

          The possibility also exists that whoever wrote the advertising/press release/whatever made a typo. Or that s/he was clueless about phones. Or both. My money's on both.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Say it is true

            given that they're a "new" company, I'd say they had no clue, didn't care, and were out of time to submit by the deadline. Who cares (they say), as long as people talk about it. The buzz is "it", as usual (and I'll wait for a year to see if a) they deliver b) others review c) still others use and rate. Remember similar buzz a few years back with a dream-tablet by Kupa (wonderful name that).Came to a stinky fizz, so to speak.

        2. F0rdPrefect

          Re: Say it is true

          32GB ROM + 3GB RAM


          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Say it is true

            ROM? I hope it's user replacable

    2. David Paul Morgan

      Re: Say it is true

      I have "registered my interest".

      The price is very right, the features look good.

      Very very tempted.

      I hope that it supports OTG interface, so you can plug in external memory, keyboard etc and use it with an HDMI TV.

    3. Steve Graham

      Re: Say it is true

      With a screen that big, it practically is a laptop.

  3. Keef

    QI charging and NFC?

    No mention of either on the spec sheet.

    I know most people see NFC as a gimmick, but I do use it from time to time.

    QI charging is wonderful, I just dump my Nexus 5 on the table (okay, a very specific part of the table) when I get home and it is charging.

    The OnePlus Two doesn't have these features either, maybe they are too expensive to fit in a budget phone, but I would have thought it could be done at not much extra cost. My Nexus 5 was only £300 and it has QI and NFC.

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      1. Roo

        Re: QI charging and NFC?

        "UniBUS.... OK, now we're just getting silly..."

        UNIBUS would be silly, that's for big iron, you want QBUS for smaller low-power boxes.

      2. phuzz Silver badge

        Re: QI charging and NFC?

        Some phones support a USB ethernet adaptor via OTG, although I've never got it working myself.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: QI charging and NFC?

        I HATE USB-OTG! You can't use OTG and charge your phone at the same time. We need something better like a proper USB host port on these things, even if in a micro profile.

        1. Dr. Mouse

          Re: QI charging and NFC?

          You can't use OTG and charge your phone at the same time.

          You can, if the manufacturer implements it. I've had a tablet which supported this, a cheapo thing I can't remember the details of.

          The problem is it's outside the official specs, and most don't support it.

        2. IsJustabloke

          Re: QI charging and NFC?

          unless its a sony with a magnetic charging port... ask me how I know ;)

        3. DRendar

          Re: QI charging and NFC?

          Indeed. Much better if it had a USB Type-C port which included Display Port in alt mode. Then you could charge, output video and connect usb devices in host mode all at the same time.

          Every time I see a new device come out that doesn't have a type-C port on it, a little tear forms in the corner of my eye.

          1. Charles 9 Silver badge

            Re: QI charging and NFC?

            "Every time I see a new device come out that doesn't have a type-C port on it, a little tear forms in the corner of my eye."

            Well, you have to wait. Type C only got approved recently, and it takes a while (at least six months in my book, usually closer to a year) for something like this to reach critical mass.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Small, thick phone

    Please, for the love of dog, won't someone make me a small, thick, quality phone ?

    I keep my phone in my back jeans pocket, the new normal 5" phablets won't fit there and I don't care how £$%@ing thin my phone is - I don't look at it from the side, FFS.

    Manufacturers, make a phone we want !

    1. Isabello

      Re: Small, thick phone

      I'm with you - my S4 mini is getting pretty tired these days, but it fits the old trouser packet a treat. I've signed up for the swift as it has the smaller of the two screens, but still bigger than I would have liked.

      1. cegueira

        Re: Small, thick phone

        Have you had a look at the compact Sony phones. My other half has a Z3C which is fairly pocket friendly and tough.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Small, thick phone

        You're looking for a small, thick phone that fits your trouser packet? I've not heard it called that before

    2. Tapeador

      Re: Small, thick phone

      agreed. i actually got a new sony xperia z1 compact (4.5 inch screen approx, 801 processor, 2g ram, 20mp camera with image stabilisation) for £170 new a few months ago, have a look, it still beats the 410 and 601 series processors. and it's waterproof. it and the z3c are afaik the only flagship phones in a compact size.

    3. Drat

      Re: Small, thick phone

      The Moto E 2nd gen is close to that with a 4.5 screen and a 2390 mAh battery. Typically my battery drops to 50 to 40% by the end of the day (normal use for me is messaging, news, playing music to my BT headphones, selecting stuff for the chromecast, a bit of web browsing. NOT playing games however) Only downsides are just 1GB RAM (can be a bit sluggish switching apps), no Qi and a weak camera. Only cost £108 however, but would pay more to fix those three quibbles. Oh, I really want a USB-C port on my next phone too...

    4. kmac499

      Re: Small, thick phone

      Please Please YES, 4.5" at the most if almost zero bezel or even 4" if the bezel is bit chunky.

      I keep mine in a belt holster, try that with a phablet and a seat belt in the car.

      I presume these two have an LED Torch\flash on the back.

    5. John Sanders
      Big Brother

      Re: Small, thick phone

      No, you insensitive clod, we the phone companies have decided you all want clones of the iphone.

      Decent battery life you say?

      How can you not understand that all you need is a hundred bundled social media apps and cloud backup.

      And give us all your data (this is actually something we demand so we can start our own social something and be like farcebook or twatter and bundle even more social apps)

    6. Groaning Ninny

      Re: Small, thick phone

      This is one of the reasons I stick with my Motorola v235 - small enough to fit sweetly in my trouser pocket.

  5. msknight Silver badge


    I've signed. I'm up for the 8 core.

    The Jolla isn't cutting it, and the Ubuntu phone is still a joke despite the recent updates. Now ... if only it was dial sim...

    Ah! It is! It is dual SIM - I'm in heaven... here ... take my money... quick...

    The only bad thing is the battery is fixed :-(

    1. Small Furry Animal

      Re: Well...

      I, too, have signed up for the Storm.

      @msknight I hadn't realised it's dual-sim; thanks for pointing that out. The fixed battery doesn't worry me; it would be nice to have a replaceable one but it's not a deal-breaker.

      1. msknight Silver badge

        Re: Well...

        I live in the sticks, so a removable battery is a big thing for me, but I'd give anything for a phone that isn't Google, isn't Apple, and is a damn sight better than the Jolla and the Ubuntu mess. And it's British! I mean ... got to give it a go!

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Big Brother

          Re: Well...

          "New British mobe maker..."

 god only knows what's been secreted into the firmware..

          That makes me dreadfully sad.

          1. Adam JC

            Re: Well...

            So... you'd prefer a Japanese (Huawei) built GooglePhone to address those privacy concerns?

            I... want some of what this guy has been drinking!

            1. Afernie

              Re: Well...

              "So... you'd prefer a Japanese (Huawei) built GooglePhone to address those privacy concerns?"

              If Huawei phones were actually built in Japan, then sure.

              "I... want some of what this guy has been drinking!"

              I think you've probably had enough already.

              1. Adam JC

                Re: Well...

                Sorry, Chinese, Mr. P.E Dant.... :-/

              2. danbishop

                Re: Well...

                ...or had anything at all to do with Japan?

                Huawei is a Chinese company...

            2. M man

              Re: Well...

              You mean the same Huawei run by the CHINESE PLA general.... Think you getting you foreigners mixed up there old chap /s

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Well...

            Brit phone. So, if you lift it by one corner, the glass falls out (Austin Maxi owners, we salute you)

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Well...

          And it's British!

          For a specific definition of Britishness, yes. But all the components will be standard parts bin stuff made in the far east, and I'll wager that assembly is under contract in the same neck of the woods.

          £200 sounds good against the list prices of the current top-of line phones, but those prices are reserved for idiots and those who can't work out when a contract deal is a rip off. If you shop around for last year's top model (say a SGS5) you'd be paying £250-£290 for the phone either on or off contract. Personally I'd go the extra £90, than take my chances on this. YMMV.

        3. MrWibble

          Re: Well...

          " phone that isn't Google"

          Erm, you'll be disappointed with this one then. Despite Cyanogen's assertion that they're going to "take Android away from Google", they ain't done it yet.

    2. Len Goddard

      Re: Well...

      According to the Storm data sheet, dual SIM is at the expense of the micro-SD card.

      The Swift data sheet says dual sim and does not specify the tradeoff but I would be careful.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Well...

        it seems that, at least in a few other dual sim phones, the "dual" is ALWAYS as an expense (stick 2nd sim in, lose the micro-sd. Which makes me shake my head in wonder, how buyers still fall for this trick. Well, obviously, when you look at the data sheet, it doesn't tell you in plain English, but I'd think reviews would pick it up. No? No? I see, they wouldn't.

      2. Your alien overlord - fear me

        Re: Well...

        "dual SIM" or "single SIM and SDCard" , the second slot is dual purpose. This is what most manufacturers do nowadays.

        1. Adam Inistrator

          Re: Well...

          so basically it is either NOT DUAL SIM or NO SD card. I bet few people will want that.

          I want

          5.5" minimum

          DUAL SIM

          SD CARD


          ... nowhere to be found

          1. Charles 9 Silver badge

            Re: Well...

            Add on GOOD radio setups that can pick up whatever signals you want (mobile, LTE, WiFi at least, but also GPS if it's included). A knockoff phone can tick all those boxes but have terrible radio support that makes it a deal-breaker.

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      1. msknight Silver badge

        Re: Well... What was wrong with the Jolla?

        Here you go...

        ...and that's not all of the grief.

        The more serious examples of the post change was when I asked for the date on the front of the lock screen, without having to unlock the phone.

        Someone changed my post to make it demand much more on the lock screen - adjustable widgets. Of course my request was blown out of all proportion and obviously not fulfilled.

        A few months later, someone posted the same question as I originally posted, and the feature was added after a fashion.

        That sort of thing happened a few times. There is NO WAY that a community should be allowed to change someone elses post to be something other than what they said ... and still retain it as under their name. That was lay madness and law suits.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    New British mobe maker...

    oh please.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: oh please.

      Go on then, you can have one. But it's coming out of your pocket money!

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I will trade

    the 5.5 screen for a 5 incher plus REMOVABLE battery. Oh, and if you can keep the better camera... I'd happily spend 200 quid. In fact, I'd trade the 5.5 inch screen for a 3.5 inch (do they still make them "tiny" screens AD 2015?).

    Unfortunately, as it stands... no sale. But getting there...

    1. Isabello

      Re: I will trade

      As I understand it the Swift has both the smaller screen AND the removable battery. So you have to live with only a quad core! Phhh! Get's my money.

      BTW Remember when we used to complain about tiny screens - anyone remember these: 28 pounds, 9" monochrome screen, 4.77 Mhz (single core ;) ), $3.5K?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: I will trade

        Sadly, offer rejected (I drowned my camera and my ex-Orange SF has more cracks in the screen than my wife's... er..., so I hoped to get a mobile with a good camera. Sure, ANY camera is better than my SF camera, but I thought something that would last me a good few years. Unfortunately all the top cameras are on the f... huge mobiles (5 - 6 inch screens), never mind the price (lg g3 is almost there too, given the price drop). Or on that dreadful nokia running Windows mobile with 40 bilion pixel camera. And some degree of waterproofness would help. And removable battery (where I go sometimes, plugs are rare, and solar panels are generally shite).

        But I'm not obsessing, I'm not in a hurry. There's a bunch of phones which are "getting there". Some are waterproofish but shite camera, some have micro-sd slot but leak. Some have slot and camera, but lack removable battery, etc. Statistically, sooner or later somebody will come up with something to fit my pocket (in both senses).

  8. TheProf Silver badge

    Brilliant marketing blah!

    Just watched the video on their webpage. They ask 'and what if your phone wasn't pre-loaded with battery draining apps?' Then they boast that 'what if your phone comes with Audio FX as standard?'

    Well can I have a Cyanogen phone WITHOUT AFX? No? Bugger!

    Still it looks worth a punt. I'm in.

  9. Salts

    Excuse me ....

    Wileyfox Phones: A BRITISH company launches SD card, no bloatware, Cyanogen, big battery? Yes to all


    sorry I am a patriot so this works for me, just need to get this past the minister for finance, a very avid Apple fan

    1. Anonymous Coward

      Re: Excuse me ....

      "...the minister for finance, a very avid Apple fan"

      You evil little shit. My irony detector just assploded. To where should I send the repair bill?

  10. Camilla Smythe


    Erm Black Jacks and Fruit Salads... Opal Fruits.. Lion Brand Midget Gems/Sports mixture and fuck Maynards. Did anyone notice that Liquorice Allsorts have gone down the pan?

    Whatever. My Panasonic Wireless One says it is 'fully charged' so I guess I am not missing out on much unless you know otherwise...?

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      1. Blitterbug

        Re: Aren't these called Starburst nowadays?

        ...Only by Merkins & the very young... and don't even mention Sni... er, Marathons...

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Spangles...

        Only by the fuck wads and under 20 somethings who cant leave things alone and must change things for the sake of change...

        Oi, Microsoft..... Glare.......

  11. Ugotta B. Kiddingme

    Wileyfox phone looks nice but...

    Wile E um... a canine friend wants to know if it can catch certain species of limited-flight avians native to the deserts of southwestern US...

    1. DanceMan

      Re: Wileyfox phone looks nice but...

      Wile E um...

      Just be careful it is not made by Acme.

      1. Chronos

        Re: Wileyfox phone looks nice but...

        Jetpacks and rollerskates as options?

        I think I may have that as my ringtone.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Wileyfox phone looks nice but...

      yes, imagine what a vulture phone would be like. Exclusive to vulture commentarie, packed with ALL the features a self-respecting vulturist would NEED. Cobbled together with love and devotion from the taughest amalgamites of earth in the smitheries of the Penis Island, as visualised in our groundbreaking 3D sim. Click here to sign up and reserve a right to be amongst those selected to be the recipients of our special offer on this fine piece of British engineering, etc.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Maybe not quite new

    Parent company is ToughShield Holding, whose linked in refers to Kazam, so maybe not an entirely new firm. Their Tornado 348 phone looks like it was alright a while ago.... - wonder if it was upgraded to Lollipop...

  13. tin 2

    well given that CM12 on the oneplus one is an absolute train wreck, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

  14. Len Goddard

    ROM ??

    The extended info on the website talks about 2GB RAM and 16GB ROM on the Swift (3 + 32 on the Storm). I assume the ROM is actually an internal SD card of some kind. If so, then adding the 32GB removable SD Card gives a reasonable amount of storage for the Swift and excellent storage on the Storm (adds 32GB and 128GB respectively).

    Pity the swift is only 1280x720.

  15. oneeye

    pity the swift is only 1280 by 720

    That's the screen I have now,and I think it is just fine. For the price,and a bump up in hardware from my Evo 4g lte,and running Cyanogen 12.1 with no bloatware, I WANT ONE ! I sure hope they hurry and make a US model available that will run on Sprints CDMA Network.

  16. Anonymous Coward

    Cyanogen's partnership with Microsoft is beyond wrong and unacceptably tainted the product for many.

    1. Adam JC

      How so? there appears to be no sign of any interference from Microsoft relating to this.

    2. mrweekender

      Not really a fail

      The "partnership" only covers a few products and it certainly isn't a deal breaker - for me anyway.

    3. MrWibble

      So far the partnership is a couple of pre-installed apps, that can easily be deleted. Nothing particularly nefarious, I'd say.

  17. Vehlin

    Misleading Title

    Since when is 2500mAh a big battery? I'd consider this phone but it really needs either a removable battery or another 1000mAh on it.

  18. nedge2k

    This'll just be a re-badged china special. Take your pick from ZTE/Huawei/etc.

  19. TeeCee Gold badge

    Yes, but....

    The Oneplus 2 is in the same price range as the Storm, similar on spec and gives you a Snapdragon 810........(!)

    That's an awfully big grunt hike for the sort of extra quiddage the sheep normally associate with adding a "Hello Kitty" branded cover.

    1. mrweekender

      Yes, but....

      There's a few things missing from the OnePlus 2, so it's horses for courses as they say + you have to be "invited" to the OnePlus - pretentious twats.

  20. g00se


    Can you use an external usb keyboard with it? Would be great to use it as a terminal.

  21. Unicornpiss
    Thumb Up

    That is a nice phone!

    And precisely what I would happily pay for, especially with those specs, Cyanogen, and especially no crapware installed. I really hope it makes it to the US and/or other makers take a page out of their book.

    These are also exactly the reasons I am using Linux and my dual-boot desktop hasn't seen Windows started in over a month.

  22. a1exh

    Vodafone Smart Ultra 6

    For £125 you could get a Vodafone Smart Ultra 6 and with the £4 you save unlock it and have a much better phone.

  23. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Oh where, oh where

    can I download some usless trial games, some useless productivity aids, some useless lifestyle tools and access to some awful manufacturer-specific app stores.

    I'm so LOST without all this.

    How can I please make this phone like something from Samsung or Apple, especially one bought from EE, O2, Vodafone, Vermin, etc?


  24. &rew

    "Unrivalled customisation"

    Colours available: Black.

    There is a disturbing level of marketing-speak, but I agree that there are sensible design decisions going on in there somewhere.

  25. Alan Denman

    Swift comparison to Samsung

    Seems closer to the iPhone 6 to me, screen being the front face of spec.

    I dontget the Samsung comparison, what with absured Samsung screen resolutions and OLED

  26. Dave Bell

    But how good is the vital radio tech?

    I've just bought a second-hand Nexus 5.

    Single SIM, no MicroSD, so these new phones could be a better deal.

    But I get much stronger WiFi and Mobile signals, which means mobile internet is actually usable around where I live and work..

    Reading between the lines, the phones aren't being reviewed, this is just a report of the initial announcement.

    But I wonder if anyone even bothers to try to check the performance. If you can't get a reliable signal, and you don't tell people, you're not selling a mobile phone, you're selling a mobile brick.

    I was at the Worldcon in London, a year ago, and the tech worked well, but here up North, still with good coverage according to the maps, about all you could do with the same hardware was get voice.

    I don't plan on spending more money any time soon, but if these phones have badly designed radio tech in them, it doesn't matter how wonderful the other features are.

    1. Sixtysix

      Re: But how good is the vital radio tech?

      Well said.

      There is one window in my house that sometimes allows mobiles to rope in 1 bar and make intermittent calls... IF one has a reasonably quality mobile from a "big name" that is. My China clone 2SIM with baked in Malware struggled to see the Wi-Fi router in the next room.

  27. hamsterXjam


    So it's a British company that's selling the phones. Yes, fine, but the obvious question then is "who is making the hardware?". Presumably not Wileyfox themselves, or else the cost would be higher to recoup the R&D.

    Best guess is it's someone in China.

    That's not necessarily a problem though, I can live with that. Ultimately everything in the phone world is tainted either with ethical, security or privacy concerns. And in some cases exploding battery concerns. I suspect this one will turn out to be averagely tainted.

    My main concerns about this outfit are:

    - Can they actually deliver what they're promising?

    - Will it be any good? (Reviews asap please El Reg).

    - Will the support be up to scratch?

    - Will they be able to make enough money to keep going, and not fold leaving me with an unsupported paperweight one day?

    Only time will tell, but I for one am interested.

    FYI I've kept my HTC Desire going for over 5 years now, but the camera's just died so a replacement is finally on the cards.

    My requirements for my next smartphone purchase are that it:

    - Isn't sh*t

    - Will last me for at least the next couple of years

    - Has a torch app (the most used feature on any phone I have owned in the last 10 years)

    - Hasn't been priced at 4x (or more) the bill of materials because of the huge marketing outlay involved, or the alleged 'lifestyle experience' it brings me (Cost ideally < £200)

    - Is slightly less likely to contain the next stagefright-level security flaw to be discovered than the phones of my co-workers (so I can laugh at them)

    Faced with a plethora of similarities in a stale market, this is the first phone for a while that's made me go "hang on a minute..." Assuming we aren't all being taken in by a massive email harvesting & phishing scam, that is.

    1. ksuuk

      Re: Wileywho?

      Seems Swift and also Cherry Mobile G1 are rebranded Micromax E455, but Swift includes proper LTE bands.

  28. Brenda McViking

    close, so close...

    But it is not there, and I'm not jumping up and down.

    Swift, finally a removable battery. Screen resolution is just about acceptable (would prefer 1080p but the 720p @ 294ppi is probably okay) ....BUT uSD slot maxes out at 32GB (which means I have to buy more to replace the 64GB ones I have). and the crux of the matter is that it's not an upgrade from, my current, 2.5 year old Galaxy S4. Very reasonable price and a good phone, but I if I'm buying a new phone, it needs to be better than the one I have. The swift isn't.

    The Storm fixes all the above and would be a perfect sale for me (even has GLONASS, nice) but is completely and utterly useless due to it's non removable battery, unless they do some magic and can get 3 solid days of moderate use out of a single charge. In fact even that is not enough as it still becomes landfill after 2 years. No removable battery = no sale. Hell, I'd pay double for this if it had a removable battery with no qualms.

    But let me spell it out because absolutely no manufacturer right now is listening: NO REMOVABLE BATTERY = NO SALE. Just because apple do it doesn't make it acceptable in the civilised world. The charging packs are not good enough. they're clunky, airlines ban them, and they don't solve the utterly preventable problem of landfilling a perfectly good piece of hardware just because the glued in lithium in it wore out as expected after 2 years.

    1. Charles 9 Silver badge

      Re: close, so close...

      Airlines only ban them in checked baggage, and that's due to them being a fire risk. You can take them in your carry-on baggage if you wish. I speak from experience.

      1. Brenda McViking

        Re: close, so close...

        Okay, I'll clarify my statement - airlines ban the USE of battery chargers onboard aircraft (at least for the last 8 airlines I've flown with). I accept you can take them with you in the cabin, but seeing as you cannot use it until you're out, it's dead weight = massively inferior to a pre-charged removable battery, particularly when your phone is your In Flight Entertainment.

        1. Charles 9 Silver badge

          Re: close, so close...

          What about those external battery banks? Charge a 20Ah jobber and take it with you. No external power source, so there's no practical way for the airlines to block it.

    2. ksuuk

      Re: close, so close...

      Some say, that Storm uses CPU, which uses less power than Swift -s does. But I don't like the sdcard/micro/normal sim combo and static buttons.

  29. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What, no BlackBerry comparisons?

    You know, those nice phones with an OS that isn't full of security flaws, or sends everything that passes through the phone (including geolocation) back to Pear?

    A Torch 8900 will see you right.

  30. Zed Zee

    Motorola on steroids.

    This and OnePlus products is like Motorola's Moto G on steroids!

    Motorola Mobility started this whole new segment of affordable phones (which still none of the big players seem to get), with impressive enough specifications to make some buyers forego their dreams and aspirations of owning a £600 phone (with a stupid contract to boot, no doubt) and opt for a more affordable product, with a decent specification (minus all the bloatware) and a great price tag to boot.

    Wiley Fox are following suit, like OnePlus before them, which is fantastic to see and being British too, they get my seal of approval...where do I sign?!

  31. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward


    Phone lasted 2 days advised to return for repair. Returned phone asked for a refund, they agreed to refund me. 1 month after purchase I am still waiting for the refund. Support staff initially were good but now I am beginning to wonder.

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