back to article Windows 10 market share growth slows to just ten per cent

Windows 10 now has 5.95 per cent of the desktop operating systems market, according to the folks at StatCounter. There's good news and bad news in that result,. The good is that StatCounter has revised its figure for Windows 10 market share in the week of August 10 to 16. Last week, the outfit said Redmond's latest had won 4. …

  1. Shadow Systems Silver badge

    Dear Microsoft, good luck with that.

    Between your privacy nightmare, security hell, personal files uploading to MS HQ, deeming devices "incompatible" on a whim, and minimal compatibility with Assistive Technology that is a *Must Work* function for *Everything* in the OS not just the parts you feel like allowing accessibility, there's no way in bloody hell I'll be "upgrading" any time soon if ever.

    I'll stick to Win7Pro64 until you EOL it, then either examine your not-really-Windows-Eleven post-Windows-10 offering, determine if you've decided to shaft us again, & then either switch to Apple or Linux (if the Screen Reader works).

    Whomever came up with the privacy policy needs to be taken out front of the MS HQ & stood up against a wall for the firing squad. The privacy policy needs to change *NOW* to default to giving it back to us, not an "Opt Out" bullshit.

    Whomever decided the shove-it-down-our-throats Windows Update policy was a good one needs to be right beside the other bastards for the firing squad. If your update (that you refuse to let us know WTF it does) breaks my system, I have no way of restoring it to a useable condition since there's no Screen Reader for a BIOS, POST screen, or pre-OS-load environment to allow me to repair the system. So *I* have to determine if your update is good for my machine, if it works with my Screen Reader, and if it doesn't then reject it as Not Gonna Happen. Merely defering it for a few months is NOT an acceptable option, because if you don't fix the problem in that time, I *still* can't allow you to apply it, now can I?

    Get a fekkin clue, you brain dead bastards.

    It's *MY* computer, *I* determine what of my info (if any) I share & with whom, *I* determine when updates get applied & which ones (if any). Not You. It's *MY* computer, Not Yours. It's MY data, not yours. It's MY money that will enrich your competition if you keep up this level of bullshit.

    Now straighten up & fly right or kiss my money goodbye.

    1. Mark 85 Silver badge

      Re: Dear Microsoft, good luck with that.

      You also have to add in the new business model which is already becoming an irritation. For example, if you want any of the old standby games like Solitaire or Minesweeper, they come with ads. To get rid of the ads costs about $1.50 a month whether you play them or not. Methinks that just the tip of the iceberg and there's more news like that coming.

      Those of us who have been warning/curious about the cash stream for MS have slapped pretty hard. I hate the be the first to say it: "but there's no such thing as a free lunch". MS is going to pull some more stunts with this "free" upgrade.

      Cue the downvotes... form an orderly line to the right please.

      1. Richard 12 Silver badge

        Re: Dear Microsoft, good luck with that.

        Seriously? Ads in solitaire and minesweeper?

        They've gone mad.

        No corporate facility is going to accept that, and none will pay to remove them either. What are bored receptionists supposed to do?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Dear Microsoft, good luck with that.

          >What are bored receptionists supposed to do?<

          That's why MSFT have included Candy Crush Saga in Windows 10, so bored receptionist can use the company CC for in-game purchases. Genius!

        2. LucreLout Silver badge
          Joke

          Re: Dear Microsoft, good luck with that.

          @Richard

          What are bored receptionists supposed to do?

          The boss.

    2. pakman

      Re: Dear Microsoft, good luck with that.

      "deeming devices "incompatible" on a whim"

      Then there is deeming devices "compatible" on a whim too.... Case in point: a friend's 5 year-old budget laptop with 1GB RAM. I don't think so: it might run the new OS, but good luck with doing anything else. I uninstalled and hid the Win10 notification update, but somehow or other it got unhid and installed anyway. I've tried again, fingers crossed that it won't come back a second time.....

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Dear Microsoft, good luck with that.

      @ Shadow Systems

      You really shouldn't swear! Remember, pre-schoolers read The Register too! Hence, I'm sure, the downvotes.

    4. TheTrouser

      Re: Dear Microsoft, good luck with that.

      Angry man...

      ...is angry

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Dear Microsoft, good luck with that.

      While I share the sentiment (taking out front, firing squad, etc.), a huge majority of users, don't give a flying fuck about "private". And if you say adblock's had 5 milion downloads, and no flash 3 mln - it's only FASHION that made them do it. If it became fashionable to reveal your most intimate secrets - majority would do it. And that's why MS and others don't care what you, I, and whoever else from the niche market says. Majority are happy to eat shit, and this is what counts (and count they can). Sadly.

    6. a_yank_lurker Silver badge

      Re: Dear Microsoft, good luck with that.

      No new MS products on any of my kit and W7 & W8.1 will not be upgraded period. No new MSO, etc. I own the kit, I have final say what happens. Eventually W7 & W8.1 will be wiped from both boxes that have them (came preinstalled).

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Dear Microsoft, good luck with that.

        That's nice

  2. Mikel

    Windows 10 Mobile ought to be a hoot

    I can see it taking the world by storm, knocking the iPhone from the number 2 spot and trending to best Android soon after.

    Hahahaha

    Maybe on the Microsoft campus. But nowhere else.

    1. LucreLout Silver badge

      Re: Windows 10 Mobile ought to be a hoot

      @Mikel

      I can see it taking the world by storm, knocking the iPhone from the number 2 spot and trending to best Android soon after.

      Hahahaha

      Ok, sure, very few people use Windows Phone OS. I am one of them, just getting that out up front, but my current plan is to swap over to Android next time out (80+% market share means its all over bar the shouting).

      Moving to a situation where WinPhone runs Android apps is an incredibly astute move for MS. The major cost of changing OS is that the users apps aren't compatible. Removing that stumbling block, provided it could be done properly, should allow their market share to rise. Any new app purchases are unlikely to migrate back to Android, so it could provide them some medium term customers.

      Android ate the lunch of every proprietary OS out there, including Apple. Any vendor that wishes to steal back some of that cheddar is going to have to offer a migration strategy away from it. Apple will have to follow suit sooner or later, but with such a low market share, MS don't really have a lot to lose.

      As a dotnet developer, Android was surprisingly easy to build apps for. It works really quite well, though AS is many years behind VS.

      1. Richard Plinston

        Re: Windows 10 Mobile ought to be a hoot

        > The major cost of changing OS is that the users apps aren't compatible.

        You appear to imagine that the apps and games that you paid for in Play Store for your Android will be free in Microsoft's store for Windows Phone.

        You won't be getting them free from Google for WP.

      2. Loud Speaker

        Re: Windows 10 Mobile ought to be a hoot

        The major cost of changing OS is that the users aren't compatible.

        FTFY

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    And how accurate are the stats then?

    Hands up all those here who have sites like Statcounter blocked?

    I consider Statcounter nothing more than a tracking site. sure they are tracking my OS use but what else eh?

    1. Mark 85 Silver badge

      Re: And how accurate are the stats then?

      Mine was only half up. Had it blocked in the hosts file but not the cookies. <hangs head in eternal shame>

    2. AMBxx Silver badge

      Re: And how accurate are the stats then?

      Yep, my Ghostery install blocks Statcounter.

      The 4 installations of Windows 10 I have could have made all the difference to the stats.

      1. BobChip
        Linux

        Re: And how accurate are the stats then?

        True. Ghostery also blocks the stats from the machine I am posting from - including the fact that it runs Linux. I wonder what the real truth is?

  4. MacroRodent Silver badge

    not cause for celebration

    winning nearly six per cent of a global market in a month is quite a feat.

    Considering how it is pushed as a free upgrade, with an "update" icon pushed to even Windows 7 machines, that is not such a wonderful feat.

    1. bobgameon

      Re: not cause for celebration

      Even with the free upgrade its still a staged roll out with only devices with absolutely zero compatibility issues in internal testing getting the update according to Paul Thurrott. Plus viao has said its laptop won't get it by october due to driver issues. So six percent is indeed good and anybody who thought it would continue to grow at the same pace as the first two weeks was clearly kidding themselves.

      1. LucreLout Silver badge

        Re: not cause for celebration

        @BobGameon

        Even with the free upgrade its still a staged roll out with only devices with absolutely zero compatibility issues in internal testing getting the update

        None of my four PCs has been selected for update yet. As I needed to rebuild my little notebook, it got volunteered for Operation Tethered Goat. So far I quite like the OS, but Edge is in all fairness, not production ready IMHO. Is Win 10 perfect? No. Is it as good as 7? Maybe... still haven't made up my mind. But it does reboot a lot quicker :)

        MS could have grabbed market share away from Win 7 and 8.1 but has chosen not to do so just yet. As my other laptop is due a rebuild, I'll probably go to Win 10 and live with the foibles - Small kids, plus full time work, plus long commute, plus further studies, doesn't leave much time for upgrades, so any kit I have going to Win 10 this year will be going this month.

        I consider a conversion pause after moving part of the market sensible. Work out the issues that are being reported then move on. When your next market share grab works out with few additional fixes required, then push it out to the remaining devices.

        1. bobgameon

          Re: not cause for celebration

          Microsoft stripped a few features from windows 10, like extensions in edge, to release it in July instead of the original October plan. Bad idea but apparently they wanted to be on time for back to school.

          Anyways lets see what service pack1(you are suppose to call it threshold2 or service release1 according to the new windows as a service model) brings to the table in october.

    2. h4rm0ny

      Re: not cause for celebration

      "Pushed" is one word for it. 'Rammed' might be a better one. It took me three goes to finally get rid of ads for Windows 10 popping up in my 8.1. installation. Tried uninstalling the update - it just comes back. Tried uninstalling and blocking the update - no way to block them on the Pro version. Well there is, but this one is excluded from the ones you can block. Tried a registry edit I found online - no effect. Found the GWX service buried in a list of services, disabled that AND applied a different registry edit I found, finally seems to have stop shoving ads in my face.

      Very unimpressed.

      1. Paul Shirley

        Re: not cause for celebration

        GWX looks like it uses the old trick of running multiple tasks to reinitialize each other if you try killing it. Particularly nasty is adding a scheduler task even adminn users cannot edit. However I had no problem killing it by just uninstalling the 'important upgrade' that spreads the infection and marking it hidden. Now I just have the chore of carefully checking every new update in case the bastards give it a new name :(

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: not cause for celebration

      Pushed indeed.

      As an added bonus, having eradicated all trace of the GWX malware, I found that HP had signed up to be the backup plan - prodding me via the "HP Support Assistant" to upgrade. That just added HP to my shit-list I'm afraid.

      1. Sporkinum

        Re: not cause for celebration

        Re. HP Support Assistant.. My laptop must be too old (2011). It doesn't throw that at me.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          @Sporkinum - Re: not cause for celebration

          I've had my laptop since 2011, but the create dates on the file structure indicate it was initially imaged in 2009.

          The Support Assistant is something that I've thought to be vaguely useful so I've left it in. A while back I read a comment somewhere about it prodding for the W10 upgrade but I saw no sign. It was telling me that an update was available, but I ignored that.

          The other day, while checking out with Wireshark what my OS was doing behind my back, I noticed a conversation with HP. Looking closer I saw an xml file being downloaded and, in that, was an item for Windows 10.

          I ran the Support Assistant - it told me there was an Important Message : "Get prepared for Windows 10!". Clicking that led to a page telling me all about how HP and Microsoft were preparing materials to help me make the transition. Yeah, right.

          So, that's HP added to the 'Do Not Trust' list. Gonna need a new sheet.

  5. Chairo
    Flame

    What did they think they were doing?

    winning nearly six per cent of a global market in a month is quite a feat.

    I wonder if the adoption of windows 10 was actually slowed by Microsoft's aggressive pushing it on it's customers. Pushing it in a bloody skipjack of a "security" update was perhaps not such a bright idea after all. I know several people who took it so bad, that they rather wished Microsoft to hell. Not a good way to win over hearts, but sure a good way to cause heartburn. Did they think most customers will give up after deinstalling the update the second or third time? Or did they try to distract from the EULA and privacy concerns of windows 10? Kind of, if everyone talks about the nagging, the privacy issues will be overheard?

    After the windows 8 disaster everyone thought windows 10 couldn't possibly be worse, but somehow Microsoft still managed to accomplish the impossible.

    It's really incredible how an actually rather good product that should be an easy winner is damaged by arrogance, negligence and greed.

    Flame - obviously...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: What did they think they were doing?

      It's really incredible how an actually rather good product that should be an easy winner is damaged by arrogance, negligence and greed.

      I think that about sums it up. It really could be a nice product but for the consequences of the aforementioned attitudes.

      It was very good on my test laptop (vista-era dual core), far better than Linux Mint currently does (we seem to be back to the bad old days of Linux distros not playing well with certain wireless technologies).

      However, it would take a radical overhaul of Microsoft's attitudes and a new release which physically removes all of the spying/tracking/controlling shit before I would consider giving it another go. Despite the problems I'm having, the laptop will continue to have a minty (rather than shit) flavour.

      1. Chairo

        Re: What did they think they were doing?

        we seem to be back to the bad old days of Linux distros not playing well with certain wireless technologies

        It's a bit OT, but Linux distros never ceased to have trouble with certain wireless cards. Namely older adapters from broadcom are a PITA. If the wireless module is on a mini-PCIE card, it might be easy and not too expensive to swap it against something newer that is faster and has better driver support.

        On the other hand, driver hell is not limited to Linux, of course. It can be a challenge to find suitable drivers under Windows, too. And then you often have the added bonus of downloading them from a dodgy third party site that might or might not be adding a few "surprises".

        As for updating to windows 10, if you already have working drivers for wIndows 7 or windows 8, things should be more or less smooth. In theory, at least.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: What did they think they were doing?

          we seem to be back to the bad old days of Linux distros not playing well with certain wireless technologies

          Yah, I use an Edimax Nano, wonderful tiny USB adapter with a Realtek chip. On installing Mint it drops within a couple of minutes. Just time to go to: https://github.com/pvaret/rtl8192cu-fixes - run the code, install git, re-run the previous command, probably click disconnect then re-connect at some point, re-boot, thereafter wifi works perfectly! And it's been like this the three years I've been running Mint, be nice if they'd include this fix in the distro.

          I imagine this works in all Debian-based flavours, but no distro I've found properly implements the rtl81**. As for the Broadcom on my laptop, openSuse was the only one ran that out of the box. So I ran Suse on the lappy and Mint on the desktop - which actually suited me, as luck would have it!

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: What did they think they were doing?

          @Chairo - my problem device is Broadcom, not surprisingly. The thing is, I previously ran Mint 14 on the same machine and it either worked or I easily installed the needed drivers. This time, with mint 17.2 I went around in circles and decided to give up that part and plugged in a Belkin N300 micro thingy, that works just fine.

          I know there are valid reasons for driver problems (lack of open-source drivers for one), but I had got used to stability in this respect.

          That being said, I do find that Linux distros are generally far better at providing drivers (and just working when you plug a new device in) than windows. It's just funny that in this particular case Microsoft and Windows 10 proved superior.

          Anyway, the machine I'm actually going to migrate to is the one I'm using now, which is more recent and which Mint 17.2 quite likes.

          @Rotwang Gyroscope III - I can get very confused trying to keep track of which chipset in which machine works with which distro. I like the Belkin N300 as a last resort. It also works nicely with a Pi

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: What did they think they were doing?

            @ JustaKOS

            Ironically (I think. This is one of the times I'm not sure this is irony!) since Windows 8.1 - probably 8.0 too - the Realtek rtl81** drivers are included! After so many years it's almost unnerving. Maybe I was busy mentally cursing and didn't notice I was at a cross-road?

          2. a_yank_lurker Silver badge

            Re: What did they think they were doing?

            I have some very old kit still works in Linux when there are no current (W7 or later) drivers for it.

  6. Robby-O

    At what cost

    As a WindowsPhone user (and by choice), I wouldn't consider being able to use Android apps a success. It shows you (microsoft) lost.

    It's either a sign you should be using an actual android or a nasty workaround to make WP 'good enough'.

    Just when MS have almost delivered a compelling set of reasons to use it's ecosystem (you know, by actually having one), they've shot them selves in the foot.

    To work, the Windows Store needed to reach the majority of Windows users. With Win7 holding strong that is not going to happen. Win10 was to offer Win7 users a step up and with it would come the store giving it the numbers it needed.

    The compatibility with WindowsPhone would then mean that the app-gap would close, and remove a barrier to it's entry.

    win-win-win for MS. So long as they didn't fudge both.

    Good luck, but I'm less hopeful by the day.

    1. Richard 12 Silver badge

      Re: At what cost

      They lost the phone API war a long time ago.

      It was lost before they even started, and they even deliberately sabotaged themselves just to make sure.

      When they partnered with Nokia, they could have supported Qt (at that time it already supported Android and Meego/Meamo). When they launched WinRT, they could have allowed people to develop for it under Win7 for free.

      They did neither of these things. They made it expensive and difficult to develop for their new platform - so guess what, nobody did.

    2. a_yank_lurker Silver badge

      Re: At what cost

      The Windows Store, actually a very idea potentially, should be the only place the average user needs to go to get any applications for their PC or mobile device. The repository system in Linux works very well with the entire system being updated including applications in one go. It would help solve many of the security issues plaguing Windows.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Sadly

    The "Fail" icon seems insufficient to demostrate what i feel right now.

    It seems now MS have gone over a precipice and**nothing** will bring them back. Not even the voices at Redmond (there MUST be some) saying, "We've dropped a bollock Sat".

    But the powers that be are now so blinkered and focused on "selling" the dog egg that is Win10 I doubt anything or any amount of customer retribution will detract them from that...

    I look at Win7 and think, yes. I looked at Win8 and thought "Hmm, ???" and i've only heard of the tactics of Win 10, its propensity to snaffle EVERYTHING you do, type, say , watch etc and then upload it to the mothership and THAT alone is enough for me to happily bypass it.

    What i want to know now is if this mud child is about to infect my Windows phone (which i do love!). I will do everything i can to stop it.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Sadly

      >i've only heard of the tactics of Win 10<

      99% of what you've heard is bull.

      1. Paul Shirley

        Re: Sadly

        You've made the mistake of assuming bull refers to the truth of the tales, not the nature of the truth.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Trollface

    An how much ...

    ...has the FREE Linux on desktop gown in the last decade?

    What's that, Windows 10 thats been out for 2 weeks has a bigger market share than a free desktop os has gained in 20 years?

    (And yes I do use Linux and I haven't upgrade from 8 to 10 either)

    1. Paul Shirley

      Re: An how much ...

      If Linux installers were pushed out to most of the planets PCs as fake 'important updates' that might be a fair comparison.

    2. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      Re: An how much ...

      "What's that, Windows 10 thats been out for 2 weeks has a bigger market share than a free desktop os has gained in 20 years?"

      You are comparing an OS that has entrenched itself in public consciousness since the beginning of personal computing with an obscure OS that next to nobody uses, is compatible with nothing and requires a vast amount of technical understanding to get to use. It's not apples and oranges there, it's fruit and construction in Dubai.

      Oh, and before the penguinistas dive-bomb the downvote button, I will readily admit that Linux (in all its versions) has been improving the interface, the compatibility and just about everything that makes it useable. And I know very well that a hefty amount of websites and servers run Linux. That does not change the fact that people do not use servers, they use the services that are served by the servers (when you're on the web, you use a browser - the OS that serves up the data is not your concern).

      Unfortunately, these improvements do not help the vast majority of users since it remains a sea change from what they are used to.

      And, as Microsoft is finding out the hard way, people don't like change.

      1. anonymous boring coward Silver badge
        Meh

        Re: An how much ...

        "an obscure OS that next to nobody uses, is compatible with nothing and requires a vast amount of technical understanding to get to use"

        These are pretty massive exaggerations, to say the least.

        I can pretty much guarantee that you could install Ubuntu or Linux Mint from a suitably prepared USB stick, on your own, and get it up and running well. And use it with no instruction. That is, if you have ever before installed an operating system of any kind. And chances are you would be fine even if you hadn't any previous experience.

        I'm also sure millions of users use Linux computers on the desktop/laptop, which is pretty far from "nobody".

        Then we have the servers, which you don't care about -fair enough. But it's a majority of the internet being run by them.

        Then we have this little ting called "Android", which has Linux for an operating system.

        Perhaps not being so afraid of the "unknown" would be a good idea?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: An how much ...

          Assuming folks know how to disable "secure boot or UEFI or whatever the fuck its called".

          As we all know ANY pc bought from a retailer with a preinstalled Windows OS will have that function turned on.

      2. Roo

        Re: An how much ...

        "You are comparing an OS that has entrenched itself in public consciousness since the beginning of personal computing with an obscure OS that next to nobody uses, is compatible with nothing and requires a vast amount of technical understanding to get to use"

        Unfortunately for your credibility relating to technical things, Linux doesn't qualify because it is compatible with lots of things right out of the box, and it requires as much technical know as a 4 year old kid possesses to use it (at least our kids managed just fine, but they continue to struggle with Win 8.1).

        Top Tip: You don't even need to remove the coffee cup from your CD-ROM drive tray or install anything to try a modern Linux distro and see what you've been missing, you can boot it off a USB stick instead...

      3. Richard Plinston

        Re: An how much ...

        > since the beginning of personal computing

        Personal computing began in the mid 70s. The most influential personal computer was the Apple II of 1978. The most numerous OS was CP/M - which also ran on Z80 add in cards*. IBM designed their 5150 'PC' (which wasn't the first 5100 series personal computer) to be just a bit better than the Apple II (eg 160Kb SSSD diskettes vs 120Kb) running a clone of CP/M**.

        Windows was a few years later and followed several similar and better GUI systems. eg Windows 1 was a year after GEM and was not as good.

        Nowadays the largest 'personal computer' system is Android (Linux).

        * In 1980 Microsoft's largest revenue came from selling Z80 Softcards with CP/M to plug into Apple IIs.

        ** MS-DOS 1 had virtually identical API and commands to CP/M, had the same OS structure and ran the same .COM program structure (.EXE came with MS-DOS 2).

        1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

          How delightful

          It is truly delightful to be reminded of all the things I, as a computer and programming specialist, know for the past 20 years. However, none of you have said anything that invalidates my statement.

          @Richard Plinston : yes, I know the geeky debuts of personal computing. But whether you like it or not, Microsoft is what made the PC into the multi-billion market it became. Talk to anyone in the street about the Apple II. I'll bet a hundred bucks they'll just look at you with a blank stare.

          @Mr Roo : and how many people know how to make a bootable USB key, apart from your friends ?

          @ anonymous boring coward : I definitely agree with your statement about not being afraid. How many people you know will actually reinstall Windows, not to mention a Linux distro they have never tried ? Sorry to burst your bubble, but the word "Linux" means nothing to 99% of the population.

          Gentlemen, I know Linux well enough to admire it, I don't need you to tell me of its many merits. But you are blinding yourself if you think that the common user is even going to be aware of its existence, to say nothing of actually trying it out.

          1. Richard Plinston

            Re: How delightful

            > Microsoft is what made the PC into the multi-billion market it became.

            Rubbish. Commodore, Compaq, Dell, HP, IBM, Apple, and dozens of others did. Microsoft would be nowhere without the hardware makers.

            > the word "Linux" means nothing to 99% of the population.

            Maybe not, but Android does.

            1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

              Android runs on a PC ? That's news to me.

              Compaq, Dell, HP and IBM make PCs, 99% of which run Windows.

              Apple also makes PCs, but restricts the components to run its own OS exclusively.

              Commodore may have given you fond souvenirs, but it never was part of a business network.

              1. Chemist

                "Android runs on a PC ? That's news to me."

                http://techposts.org/how-to-install-android-x86-5-0-2-on-usb-drive/

                http://techposts.org/install-android-5-0-2-lollipop-on-pc-and-laptops-with-windows-linux-and-mac-os/

                I certainly tried out Android x86 several years ago on a VM under Linux. Yep, still have it Android x86 4.0 for eeepc.iso ~180MB

              2. SImon Hobson Silver badge
                FAIL

                > Apple also makes PCs, but restricts the components to run its own OS exclusively.

                There is not enough fail icon to do that justice !

                Not only do they not lock down the hardware to running their own OS, they actually provide tools to make it easy to run others. Look up "Boot Camp" - you'll find that tools are provided to make it easy to partition off part of your disk and install windows on it. One of the tools takes care of collecting all the drivers onto a disk (CD/DVD) needed by Windows when using a "stock" installer disk - so reboot with Windows installer disk, pop in drive disk at right moment, get working Windows "PC".

                I also know people who have bought Apple laptops just to run Windows - because contrary to popular FUD, when compared like for like they aren't bad machines and aren't that expensive. Sure they are expensive compared to a low spec "cheap" laptop, but not when compared with a roughly equivalent machine from a "known brand".

                In that respect, Apple is actually more open than Microsoft who effectively blackmailed hardware vendors into shipping default configs designed to not boot other OSs - c.f. UEFI Secure Boot.

                .

                So really, in just 14 words you have shown your "20 years experience" seems not to have given you any clue about how little you know about the industry you claim to work in.

                .

                Now, if by PC you are referring to the iPad/iPhone family - yes they are locked down and will only run IOS. Just like the Microsoft tablets will only run Windows, and in fact any tablet permitted to run Windows RT is required to have secure boot permanently enabled - i.e. there is no option to disable it if you want to run a different OS.

                So is there any difference between Apple and Microsoft there ? Not really.

              3. Richard Plinston

                > Android runs on a PC ? That's news to me.

                I suspect that there are many things that are news to you.

                > Compaq, Dell, HP and IBM make PCs, 99% of which run Windows.

                Compaq became part of HP in 2001 - I am surprised that you didn't put Gateway in that list.

                Another piece of 'news': IBM sold is P business to Lenovo. I say 'news' but it was a decade ago - do try and keep up.

                > Apple also makes PCs, but restricts the components to run its own OS exclusively.

                Complete nonsense. Windows runs under Boot Camp, Linux has been running on Apple since the PowerPC days, and sill does with several distros.

                > Commodore may have given you fond souvenirs, but it never was part of a business network.

                The Commodore Pet was one of the first personal computers to be found in businesses - running Visicalc. Through the 1980 Commodore PCs were one of the first to be IBM compatible and were often found in enterprises. In fact the company name was "Commodore Business Machines". That seems to be news to you, too.

              4. Mikel

                @Pascal

                IBM no longer makes PCs. They sold that business to Lenovo.

          2. Richard Plinston

            Re: How delightful

            > Talk to anyone in the street about the Apple II. I'll bet a hundred bucks they'll just look at you with a blank stare.

            You owe me $100.00

          3. Chemist

            Re: How delightful

            " and how many people know how to make a bootable USB key, apart from your friends ?"

            Those that can Google ?. You can do it from Windows as well as Linux

            e.g. https://en.opensuse.org/Live_USB_stick

            BTW the common users ( your words not mine) buy their computers with Windows ( unfortunately) already installed although, personally I know as many people with Macs as I do with Windows.

          4. Roo
            Windows

            Re: How delightful

            "However, none of you have said anything that invalidates my statement."

            Actually we have said plenty that invalidates your tired recycled FUD. The problem is that you are either too stupid to understand that or too stiff necked to concede the points.

            "@Mr Roo : and how many people know how to make a bootable USB key, apart from your friends ?"

            Presumably the answer is N - PascalMonett. What has that got to do with you giving Linux a shot and learning something instead of recycling second hand invalid FUD ?

            "as a computer and programming specialist, know for the past 20 years."

            You may well be a "computer and programming specialist" but your tired second hand FUD raises questions about your integrity, competence and objectivity.

            "Sorry to burst your bubble, but the word "Linux" means nothing to 99% of the population."

            That still doesn't excuse your FUD.

          5. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

            Re: How delightful

            @Pascal: Well, I'd never have guessed that you knew anything about computers from your initial statements.

            When you stated "requires a vast amount of technical understanding to get to use" I thought you meant that, not that it required that the person had at some time in his life installed any operating system at all on a computer. I wouldn't call that kind of previous experience a vast amount of technical experience.

            Obviously, if you have no technical talent, and are very bad at reading instructions, and generally afraid to "press the wrong button" you should ask someone you know, or an online community, to give you a little help.

            For everyone else there are pre-prepared installation DVDs and USB sticks out there ready to install from, if you don't want to make your own. You may have to have the "vast" knowledge of how to make your PC boot from installation media (Google is your friend).

            Of course, the whole PC battle is getting less and less relevant by the day anyway.

            1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

              We must obviously agree to disagree

              Yet, if things are so simple and just a Google search away, then you tell me why Linux is not on 99% of PCs.

              1. Chemist

                Re: We must obviously agree to disagree

                "then you tell me why Linux is not on 99% of PCs."

                Simple 99% of users don't know/care/have a choice. That 1-2% chose to replace/dualboot/build their own is still a major testament to Linux not evidence for its potential.

                1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

                  Re: 99% of users don't know/care/have a choice

                  I see. You say they don't know, and you're right.

                  I say it's too obscure, and I'm wrong.

                  Thank you for the distinction.

                  1. Chemist

                    Re: 99% of users don't know/care/have a choice

                    "I see. You say they don't know, and you're right."

                    That what I get for assuming that intelligent people can understand that some percent don't know about Linux, some don''t care - they're happy with what they have (?) and some are using company machines that are tied down.

                    The latter will be the case for a good percent - for example I had a company desktop - that had to have the company standard build of Windows - my department (spread over a number of sites in a number of countries ) needed Linux as we were moving from SGI and all our extremely expensive scientific software only ran on Unix-like OSs - so we had 2 machines, a Windows machine for the corporate email / Office and a big Linux workstation for the hard stuff.

                    I don't know what point you are trying to make - plenty of people know about Macs, Linux and esp. iPads and Android. Yet you didn't know you could get x86 Android

                  2. Roo
                    Windows

                    Re: 99% of users don't know/care/have a choice

                    "I see. You say they don't know, and you're right."

                    He was responding to your own question.

                    "I say it's too obscure, and I'm wrong."

                    To be fair I didn't notice much in the way of violent disagreement with the 'obscure' assertion, there was plenty of disagreement with your claims of Linux being too difficult to use and install though.

              2. Roo
                Windows

                Re: We must obviously agree to disagree

                "Yet, if things are so simple and just a Google search away, then you tell me why Linux is not on 99% of PCs."

                Perhaps it is because people don't know better because they listen to FUD from folks like yourself and (wrongly) conclude that alternatives are too hard to setup and use, and don't offer enough advantages to offset the pre-installed OS.

                That said even if folks get past the FUD they may still have to rummage in the BIOS to allow a different OS to be boot.

              3. Richard Plinston

                Re: We must obviously agree to disagree

                > tell me why Linux is not on 99% of PCs.

                It is on 76% (data as of 30 June 2015) of phones and tablets with another 20% of those being BSD based. These are the new 'Personal Computers'. 96% is Linux or BSD.

                Linux is on 97% of supercomputers.

                If Windows is so great why is it less than 3% of those markets ?

              4. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

                Re: We must obviously agree to disagree

                There is a percieved risk of shafting the preinstalled OS, and that's the way MS likes it (and actively has worked for it to be with no installation media etc). Compare the hardware manufacturer Apple's efforts on the Mac with boot camp.

                You are just the kind of person MS likes. Accepting the combo-hurdles put in place to entrench Windows. Well, it is all coming to an end soon anyway for MS. With margins squeezed on PCs thanks to tablets etc, the OS will have to come for free.

              5. riki

                Re: We must obviously agree to disagree

                Because most users are computer illiterate and MS pay PC manufacturers handsomely to pre-install their junk, that's why.

      4. CFWhitman

        Re: An how much ...

        I think it's just the exaggeration that got you into trouble with that comment. If you had said:

        'You are comparing an OS that has entrenched itself in [the] public consciousness since [near] the beginning of personal computing with an obscure OS that [most people haven't heard of, doesn't run their existing software], and requires [a bit] of technical understanding to [install vs. what they were prompted to automatically update to by the system that came on their machine]. It's not apples and oranges there, it's fruit and construction in Dubai.'

        Then you wouldn't have caused such a negative reaction while essentially making the same points more accurately.

  9. Avatar of They
    Happy

    There is a plus to these numbers.

    5% is a good looking growth, considering the Malware used to infect peoples machines until they upgrade.

    Nice to see the world holding out against the privacy invading juggernaught. Restores my faith in humanity at not being totally stupid, idiotic sheep who just click yes to everything.

    (I know I am being hopeful with this one)

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Boffin

    Remember how compound growth works. If 10%/week is sustained from the current base of 40M installs, you're looking at half a BEELION PCs running Windows 10 sometime in March 2016.

    1. itzman
      Mushroom

      The mutha of all botnets..

      "...you're looking at half a BEELION PCs running Windows 10 sometime in March 2016...."

    2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      "If 10%/week is sustained"

      That's a big if you've got there. The whole point of the article, conveniently summarised in the headline, is that the growth rate has shrunk.

      1. a_yank_lurker Silver badge

        I would expect an early peak of installs with a tapering off to some level - my navel is saying about 3 - 4% per month max. So far that is the pattern. The only question is final rate of installs per week or month going forward.

    3. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

      Yes.. Those upgraded WIndows 10 computers are fed back into the loop to be upgraded again..

      Was that what you meant?

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      So - how long will it be before 200% of all PC in existence have been upgraded?

  11. BrazzaB

    Another nail in the coffin of privacy

    M$ is just trying to copy Google - who hoovers up ALL your data. The problem with this is that Google does this on a premise of free software, which is paid for by your data.

    For Windows Pro that is £189.99 AND you still get your data stolen! This is another piss take too - at today's rates that is $298! It's only $199 in the USA - even with our 20% VAT!

    I bought a laptop with Win 8.1 preinstalled, which I updated to Windows 10 - 'cos it's less crappy.

    Wonder if this is a M$ ploy - bring out crappy Vista so everyone updates to Win 7, bring out crappy Win 8.1 so everyone would want to update to Win 10. Hmmm...

    As a side, I dual boot with Ubuntu Linux, only having to dip into Windows to update my satnav - and I think I could even forgo this with a bit of dabbling. Now lets Google Linux and Tomtom....

    1. GrumpenKraut Silver badge
      Trollface

      Re: Another nail in the coffin of privacy

      > still get your data stolen!

      Not "stolen", just "shared".

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Another nail in the coffin of privacy

        It is stolen.

        Stolen from you and THEN shared with everybody else...

    2. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

      Re: Another nail in the coffin of privacy

      "For Windows Pro that is £189.99"

      He he.. Hmmm, should I buy an as new iPad, a very capable new laptop, or just an operating system? Tough choice...

      Guess the price is set only to make the free downgrade look like it is good value. But I think I will keep my real Win 7 licenses as they are, thank you very much!

  12. Chronos
    Holmes

    Lies, damned lies and statistics

    If that relies on the browser being truthful, good luck with those figures being accurate. Mine, for example, will identify as Firefox 39 on Windows 7 on every mechanism, not just user agent. It even fools Google, the de-facto kings of analytics - I get an e-mail on the rare occasions I actually use my (utterly fictitious) login to watch something Ogle has decided is age-restricted on the 'tube like vaping vids with "New sign-in from Windows 7" as the subject. That it isn't what it is pretending to be is a given.

    I know, I'm an arsehole and I'm deliberately making my OS look less popular than it is. If you check with the EFF's Panopticlick, you'll discover why I do this. A *nix browser is just far too easy to track for comfort. Even with my settings, it's still one in 2.9 million.

    1. This post has been deleted by its author

    2. GrumpenKraut Silver badge

      Re: Lies, damned lies and statistics

      Here (Debian) "at least 22.46 bits of identifying information". What would Joe Random's Win-7 system give?

      1. Naselus

        Re: Lies, damned lies and statistics

        "What would Joe Random's Win-7 system give?"

        Just checked, and it's 22.46 bits of identifying information. Using win 7 on Chrome from an only semi-hardened system. So... yeah, either that website is trash or everything we've all been told about Linux turns out to be a lie.

        Think I'll plump for door A, personally.

        1. GrumpenKraut Silver badge

          Re: Lies, damned lies and statistics

          Thanks for the reply. About

          > either that website is trash or everything we've all been told about Linux turns out to be a lie.

          I'd say "no", followed by "yes".

          With such things as surfing behavior and cookies factored in I'd expect that almost every system on this planet is uniquely identifiable.

        2. get off

          Re: Lies, damned lies and statistics

          For a laugh I've just given Panopticlick a go too.

          Guess what..... ? Result 22.46 . Yes that's only a three person sample from on here but still.

          So either the site is absolute bollocks or alarmingly accurate and it doesn't matter what settings/browser you use/try.

          Again (I'm no expert) so I'll say a semi-hardened system (at least it's not bog standard)

          Win 7 32 home

          Palemoon

          Every anti tracking add on I've ever heard of;

          Priv Badger

          Discover

          ABL Latitude

          Ghost

          Location Guard

          Random User Agent switcher

          Self Destructing Cookies

          No I don't have HTTPS everywhere/or noscript on. I constantly switching on/off when I use 'em so tend not to bother anymore

  13. Brian Souder 1

    Does Microsoft User Stat Counter On Their Site

    I have done about 14-15 Windows 10 upgrades for various reasons ranging from testing it to bailing out friends that did the upgrade and then had issues ranging from a virus already on the system to upgrading a hard drive. In many of the cases I clean installed the prior OS (7 or 8), and then upgraded to Windows 10 with the force update. (See Link Below) During the upgrade process, for example on Windows 7, I would have to go to the Microsoft site for various things like IE 11. I would also have to go out to manufacturers websites checking for drivers, HP Support Assistant updates for BIOS - etc. I would imagine all those feverish hits to the OEM's are being counted if they use stat counter. Which then only a few minutes later they got the Windows 10 upgrade. I would imagine many of you would do the same thing, which may skew the results as well. Just a thought. I would take the numbers for what they are, a curiosity. The other side of this too is that the manufacturers seem to have not embraced Windows 10 yet with all the extra inventory in the channel. I know of at least two dozen people waiting for new inventory with Windows 10 out of the box because they had old XP or Vista machines they could not upgrade. Some of those people are not even online to be counted.

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Windows 10 makes

    gloating morally-acceptable.

  15. Naselus

    ... Microsoft are rolling out in tranches. Each tranche is roughly equal in size. There fore, over time, the grow rate will fall as the size of each tranche becomes a small % of the total in active use. If they were really, really desperate to increase the market share aggressively, they could just pump out all the tranches at once; I have 3 personal machines which haven't received the roll-out yet (and another 2 personal machines which have). So no, this doesn't tell us anything whatsoever about market adoption, about the growth of la resistance, or about how MS have driven off all possible customers by 'only' managing to install of 50m+ machines in 2 weeks (clearly, the sign of a doomed company).

    Is this actually supposed to be news, or is it just click-bait for 'year of linux on the desktop' penguins to latch onto?

    1. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

      "clearly, the sign of a doomed company"

      No, that's not why they are doomed.

      They are doomed for other reasons. At least doomed to downsize radically.

      Their little ploy to monetise the Desktop is almost worthless as private users move away form the Desktop, and corporations won't have it.

  16. msknight

    And what about...

    ...all the people who have instlled 10, and then wiped it and gone back to 7?

    Where are they in these glorious stats?

    I know of no one, personally, who has stuck with 10. They've all undergone the process of re-installing Windows 7.

  17. Hans 1

    Recent Joys with Windows 8.1 and 10

    My son in law just got himself an Alienware laptop with, among other things, an 250Gb SSD and 1Tb hdd. He plugs the piece of crap in and, to his surprise, no 1Tb hard drive. He tells me and since I was working at the time, I told him to call Dell. Two days later, I thought it was all fixed etc ... Dell sends him a USB stick, not sure what for ... I mean, either the disk is there and broken, or they forgot it ... in either case, he needs to send the laptop back ...

    It turns out, he installed Windows 10, but Dell support INSISTED he go back to Windows 8.1 ... I guess Windows 10 cannot detect hard drives on its own ... anyway, Windows 8.1 could not detect the hard drive either ... Apparently, the Dell guy took over his PC, did a lot of kung fu here and there .... no disk ... I take over, the BIOS detected and tested the disk, it was OK. In "Disk Management" there was only the SSD. In device management, I could see the drive, drivers were ok ... I go to Volumes (right-click -> Properties -> Volumes), click "populate" and the drive appears with volumes, problem fixed.

    Next problem, the audio jack. Plug in your headphones, the driver insists on using the speakers. Turns out you had to uninstall the driver that shipped with the piece of crap and use the standard windows drivers ... except when you want to use the speakers and not the headset ...

    1. Roo
      Windows

      Re: Recent Joys with Windows 8.1 and 10

      Thanks for sharing Hans !

      Seems like a bit of an awkward way to detect a drive, 'Nad needs 20 mins on the naughty step for that one. Thanks for the tip. I am a bit surprised that Dell's drivers failed at headphone/speaker detection - seems like a very basic thing to test.

  18. Mikel

    A billion in three years

    Meanwhile, Android should have moved five billion more units by then, on top of the 2.5 billion sold in the last two years - and be in the hands of almost every human.

    Their plan is to fail.

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