Re: Depends...on when people noticed the debate...
As normal I post a load of facts and info about the subject and it gets countered by "no not true". This the normal way it goes and is exactly why I said there is no debate. Because there never is one, posts and stories are made, facts used to counter then they get countered with "NOT TRUE" and nothing else.
a. Sorry but your wrong, she was actively engaging the people who handled this, the picture of her with her friend browsing 4chan was something shared a lot near the start of it. I will admit to being slightly wrong however, it wasn't her sticking up the finger, it was her mate - https://i.imgur.com/PEMx1cq.jpg
Not sure how you can say "it didn't happened" when there was photographic evidence of it. That picture was posted by herself and her mate at the start so I assume its OK to link to. Can't find the original picture (found this one with a 2 minute google search.....) but since your the one who made the first assertion and so are meant to provide evidence for it I'll just leave my bit of evidence here.
b. It was named when it started. As I stated it was name and moved away from the initial movement to distance itself from it! I pointed out the origins fallacy which you are still pushing and once again proved what a lot of people pointed out , that moving hashtags is pointless (a guy called Jim Sterling suggested this as well but it was shot down because people just said whatever they use it will follow them)
c. This is ignoring the time he was working for RPS and the articles he wrote there (which you admit happen later on in your post). yeah it was all fine for that article but it should be noted that the publication updated the ethics policy If they thought everything was A-OK why did they update their ethics policy on a few things and admit that there was a cliquishness a few days later ? - http://kotaku.com/a-brief-note-about-the-continued-discussion-about-kotak-1627041269
d. So thanks, we are in agreement that he did write about her stuff, and was chummy with her around the time with no mention of said friendship. This is the whole crux of the matter, a simple "(a good friend of mines) game" would have been all that's needed. Some replies in a tweet i post later in this post have a bit more info on it. Yes its a he said she said situation here but there was a fair bit of evidence at the time.
e. There is very much a aGG side but its not a group with a membership card yes so your half right here, its more "people against GG regardless of what they say". Sort of like how it works in Parliament atm, terrible idea when they do it, brilliant if you do it. Hell there's a reddit sub for it (can we link to stuff like that here?). There are a lot that seem to refer to the whole situation as stuff like "gooble-gaters" and the like. Once again moving the discussion into a different realm where discussion can't happen because both parties are not present, which is half the issue of the whole sodding situation. Everyone is "othering" the other group as monsters so they don't have to have the discussion because once again, the actual nugget of the issue is somewhere in the middle and BOTH parties will have to admit that maybe they have been a bit dickish.
f. Yes he was hounded at the start https://twitter.com/vahn16/status/501650041736396801 , this is dated October 20th (seriously this has been going on for way too long), he was trying to put up his side of the story. Lots of replies in there against him, not her. So yes he was hounded as well, he was hounded less afterwards because he reacted to it differently however.
g. Your right its not two sides playing against each other as i stated, however your wrong about your reasoning. While there are obviously a few dicks trying to be ... well dicks there are also a lot of people just refusing to debate. Its like both sides are playing football... but on pitches next to each other rather than on the same one, firing shots at a open goal and cheering whenever they score, while occasionally flinging stuff over the wall between them. No-one is really winning or losing and nothing productive happens because they are not on the same field. This applies quite well to both sides of it.
I should also ask which group here is trying to intimidate this women out of the gaming industry - https://twitter.com/Alison_prime/status/623698462681378816 ? Because as far as I can see its not the GG side here. Yeah there are dicks on both sides, but the spotlight is only every on one set of dicks (and that is a sentence I never thought I would end up writing in my lifetime :P)
h. I can say that right back at you since I posted facts and you have basically countered with "nuh huh". I even provided evidence here despite the onus being on you to provide it. Note Wikipedia won't count because that has been a battleground for the whole sodding situation in itself (and apparently still is somehow)
As i said i follow this from the start, i honestly though ti would have been over and forgotten about a month after it started and its stupid that its still going on. But its still going on because of the lack of actual debate, the othering of people, the focus on the trolling rather than the actual nuggets of problems BOTH SIDES have. Then when it does die down the press in their egarness to go "we were right and stomped out those nasty people" post articles in that sort of mannerism but in such a way that somehow manages to start it back up again!
The whole time both sides have been adversarial, but I have noticed its the press that don't seem to want to talk (ironically) but still control the conversation. I was reading something about a debate being planned, but only one side is going because no-one stood up to debate them, i'll let you figure out which way round that was :/
Until a actual discussion can be had this isn't going anywhere. Which is a issue imo as at the core both sides have a valid point or two but they will never come to light, instead of sorting out the issues and making things better for everyone, everyone is instead standing around yelling and just making things worse.