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Project management as a service vendor Clarizen will open a European datacentre this summer as it seeks to assure customers here that the US government will not rifle through their Gantt charts whenever they feel like it. The San Mateo-based firm will partner with Equinix to serve European customers from an Amsterdam-based …

  1. Ashton Black


    Isn't there a Microsoft case going on, whereby a judge in the US has ordered files from an Irish Datacenter?

    Better to avoid a US company altogether. (If such a thing is practicable)

    1. NoneSuch Silver badge

      Re: Indeed.

      Because GCHQ is more responsible than the NSA and wouldn't share info with them regardless. Right? Right?

    2. PleebSmash
      Big Brother

      Re: Indeed.

      From NSA to GCHQ. Brilliant move indeed.

  2. Dan Paul

    Indeed, Indeed

    Yes, Ashton,

    You must mean the case where Microsoft is fighting the US prosecutor that wants the data because the US court has no sovereign rights over the Ireland based subsidiary of Microsoft? Is that any different than YOUR courts thinking they have rights over US corporations?

    While we are at it, why don't YOU avoid the Internet all together. There is enough false F.U.D in the world.

    Common sense would mean that latency dictates the location of a datacenter. You wouldn't tolerate a 2,000 second ping would you? That's as much the reason as anything why they would locate it closer to the point of use.

  3. Frank Zuiderduin

    Yeah, rigth.

    Sets Euro customers' minds at rest? Is there really anyone who actually believes that?

    No american company can ever be trusted again, no matter where they store their data. The patriot act and retarded judges who think the whole world is part of the us have made sure of that. It's over. Get used to it.

    1. Anonymous Coward

      Re: Yeah, rigth.

      Like GCHQ with actually one lone oversight bod can be transparent? The Brits haven't needed a Patriot Act. The whole situation is fscked (perfect term). Before they had to work for a living gathering data to derive (useful) information. Now? Corporations are getting into the security theatre games joining the governments, local to international, while we pay and pay for some army to go through our undies and slip corporate espionage information to their "friends."

      Apparently, barring some miracle cryptographic discovery, no way out. The sheer naked power to be had over others is simply too beguiling.

      I fight the good fight, VPN's everywhere, tough encryption on most everything, forged anything whether it's useful or not, just to be a true pain in the ass. Not a thing to hide, they already know me extremely well. Nuclear security clearances require a thorough background check (like to birth, make sure I wasn't switched at birth). The reasons being I was weaned (almost literally) on Robert A. Heinlein, Berkeley libertarian Mom, and knowing as well as being flat out ordered that this shit is unconstitutional. </rant>

      There's a point in there somewhere. Then again railing against this is a pointless wasted effort.

    2. alain williams Silver badge

      Re: Yeah, rigth.

      They would need to set up a subsidiary over which they only owned shares but had no executive control and which was guaranteed to not employ any USA citizens. Then: when the USA court comes sniffing the USA based company could show its requests and the two fingered replies that the European company was giving it.

      Even then: I am not convinced that this scheme would be good enough.

  4. Camilla Smythe


    “People here feel the the US government can access it [data held in the US] any given time,” said Novogrodski. “When it’s here, they feel they can’t.”

    ssh password: BOB^H^H^H

    Permission denied, please try again. password: NSA^H^H^H

    Access comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent

    permitted by applicable law within the jurisdiction you come from.

    Last login: Thu Jun 25 14:16:40 2015 from

    Please Type: sudo su for root access

    sudo su

    root: ls -al

    drwxr-xr-x 14 root root 4096 Jun 23 15:53 .

    drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Jun 21 11:47 ..

    drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Jun 11 11:36 .boring stuff

    drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 Jun 11 11:36 .highly sensitive stuff

    root: cd .h TAB



  5. Velv

    Like hosting it in Europe is going to make the slightest bit of difference to the Merkins rifling through it

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      That was a lot of what I took away from Snowden's revelations. If the data's held in the US, then the NSA just goes to the FISA court and gets a warrant for it in a day. If the data's held outside the US, then the NSA just uses one of their "tricks" to waltz into the servers without asking anyone. It's hard to say that data's much safer in Europe given all the hacking expertise they've got in there.

  6. Mephistro

    Another company treating their potential customers as if they were retarded*

    More news at eleven.

    * Which is probably the case for all those corporate execs who know shit about IT but accept everything some snake tongued salesperson tells them and at the same time ignore the advice from their own IT departments. Sigh...

    1. Mephistro

      Re: Another company treating their potential customers as if they were retarded*

      Oh, and let's not forget about those other corporate execs that understand the cloud related issues, but will use it anyway if it makes their numbers look better and puts them closer to a promotion or bonus.

  7. mrvco

    And there is no orbiting datacenter option why?

    1. Richard Boyce

      I know you're not completely serious (at least I hope not), but I suspect that the biggest physical problem might be getting rid of the waste heat.

    2. Camilla Smythe

      And there is no orbiting datacenter option why?

      Someone took off and nuked it from a higher orbit?

      Elsewhere it is turtles all the way down.

  8. RISC OS

    The key phrase is this bit:

    “When it’s here, they feel they can’t.”

    They are giving you the feeling that your data is safe from prying yank eyes... their own words, not that your data is safe in europe from prying yank eyes.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What gullible fools

    If you are so gullible that you don't know all electronic communications is monitored by all major countries then you need to educate yourself or live in ignorance. There is no God given right to privacy when you use electronic communications. It's all up for grabs. Your neighbor can monitor your electronic communications for about the cost of a hundred Euro.

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