back to article Private cloud is NOT dead – and for one good reason: Control of data

Reports that private clouds are dead are greatly exaggerated. Far from being dead, IDC’s latest research shows that private clouds are expected to grow at the same rate as public clouds for the next five years. This will not surprise anyone who has worked in or with an enterprise IT operation. Even public cloud giant AWS is …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    And in other news

    Bears are Christian and Pope's Sh... Oh wait...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: And in other news

      Popes, bears... I was going to say something along those lines too.

      But I was also going to say: thank you to the author for reminding readers that one size does not fit all, that even if public cloud was/is a massive opportunity, there are places (probably lots of places) where public cloud is a very very silly idea. Some of us know that. Others are more, how shall we say, gullible?

      Have a lot of fun.

  2. Henry Wertz 1 Gold badge

    Dead? Yeah.

    Yeah, there was really no reasonable reason to think "private clouds" would be dead. I mean, I know some pundits claimed it. But... 1) Most larger companies are going to keep running at least one data center, either exclusively or in combination with online services ("clouds"). 2) Said data centers are more and more likely to use virtual machines rather than dedicated servers, perhaps allow migration, may be moving towards using high availability filesystems rather than (or in addition to) RAID. That is, they are moving towards being run like a private cloud rather than a traditional server farm.

  3. nilfs2
    Holmes

    Both are equally important

    Private cloud customers = banks, governments, or anyone with very sensitive data

    Public cloud customers = all the others

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Both are equally important

      Close, more like all Fortune 100+... plus banks, government and financial institutions. There's a reason why Walmart, Disney, etc. built their own private clouds.

      1. Rainer

        Re: Both are equally important

        How funny would it be if Walmart would host their cloud-stuff at Amazon?

    2. JohnFen

      Re: Both are equally important

      I disagree. As a private individual, the only cloud that I am even slightly willing to use is my own private one. Clouds run by others are simply too risky for my tastes.

    3. Trevor_Pott Gold badge

      Re: Both are equally important

      "anyone with very sensitive data"

      That would be everyone.

  4. Brian Allan 1

    Paranoid...

    We're, as a company, paranoid of anything offsite. The "public cloud" can be public with far too little effort from hackers. We would much rather have total control over our data, sensitive or otherwise!

    1. Fatman

      Re: Paranoid...

      You have described my boss!

      ANYONE who even hints at the (public) Cloudtm is subject to summary execution (aka a FIRING).

      As long as she is in charge of IT, it will never happen. All of us want to sleep well at night.

  5. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge

    Sick because of connectivity

    Everyone who needs to be online in a significant way should have their own private cloud. It's cheaper for baseline loads and easier to maintain. The big downside is trying to get fiber optic links in the US. There's no public infrastructure so you're hiring a telco to dig a trench through the streets just for you. Want a new telco? That's another trench. Maybe you can get point-to-point wireless if you're the tallest building.

  6. Meep

    Head in clouds...

    I think that Private clouds have an important role and some companies are taking major risk putting all there data with another company that could turn them off.. Their business will have a long battle to get there data back...

    The other problem with cloud systems is if there was a fabric breach... it would be tantamount to having the keys to the data centre... the more shared the cloud is, the higher the risk...

    Its when you dumb ass management who buy into bullshit from sales people without understanding the risks...

    1. Fatman
      Joke

      Re: Head in clouds...

      Its when you dumb ass management who buy into bullshit from sales people without understanding the risks...

      Ah, the joys of MANGLEMENT!!!!!!

  7. nilfs2
    Devil

    Where's yours and your company's money?

    On a public "money cloud", data is useless without money.

  8. Franco Silver badge

    1. Anyone who has worked in IT for a few years knows not to put all your eggs in one basket, never mind a basket that belongs to someone else. Economies of scale mean that hosted email or CRM (for example) are fine for some small companies, but most that I work with still have onsite file servers.

    2. The person who felt it necessary to rename corporate networks as "private clouds" to get the industry's latest irritating buzzword into the title should have an umbrella inserted up their bottom. And then opened. Which will stop them talking anymore.

  9. Bartholomew Bronze badge

    If the value of your company is in your data, or having access to your data, having to rely on the public Internet for access would be a very foolish move.

  10. jonathanb Silver badge

    The best definition of "cloud computing" I've seen is a Dilbert cartoon - http://dilbert.com/strip/2012-10-21 - "Move some of [the software's] functions onto the internet, but call the internet a cloud"

    So private cloud computing presumably means moving some of the functions onto the local area network.

    Is there anyone out there who doesn't have a local area network? Maybe a self-employed plumber who runs his entire business from a single laptop, but anyone bigger than that is going to have a LAN.

  11. Stretch

    "private cloud" - can this term be avoided please? they're just servers. cmon let's be better than to play buzzword bingo.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      better than buzzword bingo

      "cmon let's be better than to play buzzword bingo."

      Would target practice on marketing droids and coin-op consultants be better?

      It'd leave the IT comics fairly short of PR-based content quite quickly though.

      You choose whether that's a good thing or not.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Typically a "private cloud" is much more than just servers and includes "on demand" automated provisioning of servers, networking and storage. The administrator or developer shouldn't have to actually manage the infrastructure resources in a cloud environment which is very different from traditional environments.

      1. Electron Shepherd

        You still have users doing daft things

        Just because it's now called a cloud, with auto-provisioning, that doesn't stop end-users doing things like:

        using all the disk space*

        putting business critical data on non-backed up servers

        surfing to porn sites from the domain controllers

        etc, etc...

        It still needs managing by someone. Do you really think the commercial off-premise cloud providers don't have staff managing the systems?

        * If you have some magic "expand to AWS, so we never run out of disk space" enabled, you now have a problem of running out of money when the very large bill comes in.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: You still have users doing daft things

          Actually in a real cloud environment, you can enable policies so you don't provision all of the disk space or allow certain types of data to be accessible outside of security policies. This is exactly the difference between traditional infrastructures and cloud enabled.

          1. SImon Hobson Silver badge

            Re: You still have users doing daft things

            > Actually in a real cloud environment, you can enable policies so you don't provision all of the disk space or ... exactly the difference between traditional infrastructures and cloud enabled.

            Good job I'd just put down the coffee cup. Having policies like that are not exclusive to "cloud" - it really just isn't the difference at all.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The first rule of hype is to think of a sexy name

    Yes it's just outsourcing your data storage over the Internet.

    Sounds a great idea until the company you outsourced it to goes pop, or you find your American/Chinese competitors also have access.

    1. Fatman
      Joke

      Re: The first rule of hype is to think of a sexy name

      Sounds a great idea until the company you outsourced it to goes pop, or you find your American/Chinese competitors that assorted spy agencies also have access.

      FTFY!!!

  13. FutureShock999

    Most still don't get it...

    Firstly, the original author makes the (typical of an HDS employee in my experience with them) mistake of ignoring APPLICATIONS. Apps are what drive cloud adoption - specifically Salesforce.com, but a slew of other ones as well. And those apps in large part do NOT work on private clouds, because the vendors cannot adequately support them. While some cloud-apps claim that they can run on private hardware, you are in large part losing much of the benefits of a cloud-based app vendor - namely, that they manage all of the upgrade and release headaches. And of having an app development and support team that is laser-focused on just supporting ONE version of the codebase, rather than mutant spawns of several legacy releases running in production on a variety of servers (which benefits customers by having hopefully a more function rich product or better pricing). So private clouds running "cloud" software is just another name for a services-enabled app running on your hardware....

    Of course, being a box and data storage vendor, HDS insinuates that it is all about the data...but what really matters to most businesses is the value of the APPLICATIONS that run on the data....having petabytes is worthless if your staff have no business functionality from it.

    Of course, many commenters here make the repeated mistake of thinking that clouds are the same as traditional server farms. They are not. Server farms do not have provisioning, and the management functions, that true "clouds" have. More importantly, server farms do not have the APIs and services layers that clouds have, which are the backbones of not just admin, but also entire application ecosystems if done right. Again, it is all about the applications, IMHO.

    It is, alas, a cloudy subject....

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Most still don't get it...

      APPLES meet ORANGES

      Most enterprise tech types understand the difference between SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE (SaaS) and INFRASTRUCTURE AS A SERVICE (IaaS) although clearly you do not.

      You are reiterating the biggest fallacy of dev/ops: It's not all about the application, it's all about running the business first and it's why dev/ops priorities are not always aligned to CIO priorities.

      Get off your phone for a minute and take a walk through an enterprise business like a multi-national bank. That application they provide so you can check how much beer money you have from your phone is a small piece of the business operations they run. The hundreds of enterprise applications they are running have policies and data governance requirements that may not work for public clouds but may work nicely for hybrid and private clouds.

      From a purely application-centric perspective, most large enterprises run a combination of SaaS (for apps like Salesforce) and IaaS for mission critical, data sensitive (or in the case of banks, latency sensitive broker) applications because their business requirements dictate that level of control.

      If the cloud infrastructure is architected properly, it shouldn't matter if it's public, private or hybrid from an application development perspective.

    2. OldTimer1955
      Facepalm

      Re: Most still don't get it...

      Erm, I think it's you that don't get it.

      It is easy to have your "application ecosystems" at the moment. That's full 'applications' created and running on a coherent, fully supported platform within a private cloud - Salesforce-style/SaaS if you like, with all the database management and update management automated. Even air-gapped should you wish.

      So, no - not cloudy at all. The outlook for the Private Cloud is very bright indeed.

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