Wheely, wheely mad: Petrolheads fume over buggy Formula One app

Furious Formula One fans are fed up with the glitzy motor racing contest's official mobile app, which spews out inaccurate driver information and regularly buckles on customers. Worse still, petrolheads who downloaded the app on to their Android and iOS devices were charged a one-off £26 subscription fee for unlimited access …

[Anonymous Coward]

Hmmm?

If you are a real F1 fan then you are either:

At the race, in which case roaming data charges will make it really expensive.

Sat in front of a really big telly that the wife still carps on about with a sound system that annoys the neighbours. Real time ...

How on earth can you follow it on an app?

[Adrian Jones]

Re: Hmmm?

Or sitting in front of a really big telly, watching the race, with the timing / track position on a tablet / laptop on the arm of the sofa supplying vital data.

[Blank Reg]

Re: Hmmm?

Yup I used to always have the laptop running so I could see the live timing, but that was the good old days when this was provided via a Java Applet, now they use HTML for the live timing and it's crap in comparison.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Hmmm?

"vital data" in the sense of "essential, indispensable, integral, imperative, mandatory, requisite, urgent, pressing, burning, compelling, high-priority, life-and-death, of the utmost importance" data?

Just asking. It's sunny outside, I think I'll ride my bike. Enjoy your sport.

[Jimmy2Cows]

@AC Re: Hmmm?

"vital data" in the sense of "essential, indispensable, integral, imperative, mandatory, requisite, urgent, pressing, burning, compelling, high-priority, life-and-death, of the utmost importance" data?

My my, aren't you a pedantic little twat.

Just because something is considered "vital" to one person does not mean vital to everyone. Stop being so literal.

Just asking. It's sunny outside, I think I'll ride my bike. Enjoy your sport.

So what? Not everyone likes what you like, and you don't have to like what anyone else likes. Get over it. Why are you even commenting here?

[Conor Turton]

Re: Hmmm?

What is really sad is that Sky have been doing this superbly on laptops and tablets for over a year.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Hmmm?

I've been following F1 for a long time, well over thirty years.

I certainly agree that the timing program being crap is not a good thing. I'd even go as far as saying that it should work and it should be free to open the sport to more people.

However, it's hardly essential. I can easily follow races without it, I'm never confused about who has won and why. You can get a good idea of how people not being shown on TV are doing by keeping an eye on the gaps between the cars, which are generally displayed on TV. Yes, sometimes it's frustrating when the TV director cuts to some C grade celebrity instead of following the action but these days the coverage tends to follow the action and we'll watch a fight for fourteenth place if nothing is going on at the front.

Anyway, I'm not saying that we shouldn't complain and nor am I denying that some people would enjoy having a working timing program, I'm just trying to add a sense of perspective to the overall experience of being an F1 fan.

[mrfill]

Re: Hmmm?

BBC live races also seem to be able to manage proper live timing. Free.

[Tom 38]

Re: Hmmm?

How on earth can you follow it on an app?

I don't buy the app any more, partly because the app being shit is not a new thing, but mainly because F1 is less interesting (you didn't know who was going to win or why), and the reasons are simple - the app gives you data which you can follow to see what is going to happen. Watching on TV just lets you know what the excitable gents in the commentary box think from the TV footage that the event producer thinks is worth showing on TV at the time.

It doesn't tell you where the other cars are, it doesn't tell you what sector times the guy in 14th who has just put on the soft tyres has, or allow you to infer what would happen if the guy in 2nd did that right now. If you're a fan of a team other than the ones currently on top, you can track what they are doing, how their sector times compare to their best, when they should be coming in to pit, what tyre they should put on, will they be switching to a different strategy...

The app can be used to follow a race, if you can't watch it in any way, but mainly it is a way to better enjoy the experience of watching the race by giving you more data. When I did have the app, I never used it if I wasn't also watching the race.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Hmmm?

You totally nailed it. But I gave up using the app last year when it became apparent that having droves of information was actually only useful if said information was accurate and timely. That app freaked out on me several times per race, I wasn't going to pay even more for it.

Now they've parked 70% of the races behind the pay TV blockade, it's harder than ever to maintain interest.

[Kane]

The Ecclestone Effect

As Reg reader Jules told us, "this year, when the free service was taken off the official F1 site and the subscription went up to £26, we assumed great things were afoot".

Yes, that's right, great things are afoot. Bernie knew he had a massive tax bill incoming and wanted to squeeze a few more quid out of the viewing public!

[Rol]

Re: The Ecclestone Effect

It used to work flawlessly, then it required a little teasing...

Now it seems nothing short of a hard spanking while dressed in leather will suffice.

Oh the app! Sorry my mind was drifting.

[Rampant Spaniel]

Re: The Ecclestone Effect

So Max is in charge of it now then? ;)

[Cliff]

£26 upfront...

So why fix it? We've got your money now.

[Tom Chiverton 1]

Re: £26 upfront...

You can claim a refund on Google purchases wihtin a few days, can't you ?

[Cliff]

Re: £26 upfront...

I think the window is in terms of minutes, not days. It used to be 15 mins, but I believe they quadrupled or octrupled it to a still short window.

That said, if you return the app under SoGA in the UK, I'd fancy your chances.

[Anonymous Coward]

Grand Pricks

The clue is in the title.

[Uberseehandel]

Techno-wannabees

Contrary to popular opinion, F1 is not a technology hothouse, the performance of the app is on a par with that of the cars, and some of the drivers.

The technology transfer from the LMP1-Hybrid class at Le Mans is much more relevant and less chaotic, and the racing is knife edge.

[messele]

Re: Techno-wannabees

That's weird since the KERS system in LMP-1 Audis is actually the old Williams inertia system that they abandoned in F1 years ago.

Vorsprung Durch Bullshit...

[Uberseehandel]

Re: Techno-wannabees

You miss the point - it took GKN and Audi to make the energy recovery system work - Williams gave up on it. Now it is being deployed to Audi passenger cars, and there are other competing technologies in the LMP1-Hybrid class.

I think your prejudices are showing

[The Real SteveP]

Re: Techno-wannabees

Actually I think your prejudices are the ones showing -

WilliamsF1 developed their own flywheel-based KERS system but decided not to use it in their F1 cars due to packaging issues (size and weight of the system), and have instead developed their own electrical KERS system. However, they set up Williams Hybrid Power to sell their developments. In 2012 it was announced that the Audi Le Mans R18 hybrid cars would use Williams Hybrid Power. In 2014 Williams Hybrid Power was sold to GKN, and Williams said that the decision to sell the company then was that Williams was not able to produce the technology for the mass market - Williams is an R&D company, not a mass-production one.

What that means is that Audi were using it for two to three years whilst Williams still owned it (and the reason Audi used it was because it already worked), and GKN bought it to take it to mass production, which they have done.

[Anonymous Coward]

At least it's easy to patch the live web site to look half decent, with this Greasemonkey user script :

https://gist.github.com/tomchiverton/0e2f044b1eb42d1f2641

[werdsmith]

The app downloads for free but is limited function. The premium upgrade is £19.99. Or a subscriber can choose to pay for a month for £2.29. Not sure where the £26 number comes from.

Still £19 more than it should be though.

[Anonymous Coward]

I think the "£26" is a mix-up between the Pound and Euro pricing - essentially they charge £20 or €26. Either way, it's a complete ripoff for a non-functional POS.

[Graham Marsden]

Wow...

... I didn't know they were equipping F1 cars with airbags now...

... or passenger seats, or in-car entertainment systems, or standard seatbelts, or aircon or...

[BongoJoe]

...or steering wheels on the wrong side.

Anyway, the app isn't frozen. It's just waiting for someone to overtake...

[PNGuinn]

@BongoJoe

You mean " It's not dead - it's restin'" (presumably for the Norwegian Grand Pricks).

[therealmav]

Perhaps the app is just resting

Maybe the app isn't dead, its just spent another sunday afternoon watching the dullest sport on TV and has gone to sleep.

[Sandtitz]

F1 the dullest sport on TV?

F1 races sure are boring especially if one team is dominating and that's been the case for the last 5 years or so, but baseball is hands down the dullest sport on TV with cricket tied to second spot with any car race on American oval circuits.

[Mark 85]

Re: F1 the dullest sport on TV?

I politely disagree.... golf is in the number one spot and tied for first place with watching paint dry.

[Martin]

Re: F1 the dullest sport on TV?

As always, it's a matter of understanding.

I just don't get baseball. I don't even understand the rules. So, to me, baseball is boring on TV.

But I get cricket and I understand the rules. So I enjoy watching it.

I used to enjoy watching "The Master Game" which was chess on TV. But I can well understand why others would find it mind-numbingly boring.

[BongoJoe]

Re: F1 the dullest sport on TV?

golf is in the number one spot and tied for first place with watching paint dry.

It would be if golf were even a sport.

[Naughtyhorse]

Re: F1 the dullest sport on TV?

<cough> 20 years or so <cough>

[Anonymous Coward]

Anyone completed the F1 Drivers survey here...

Just like the app it does nothing for me. Click on survey and nothing happens. A day ago it at least said we're upgrading our servers...

http://gpda.motorsport.com/

[A Non e-mouse]

Re: Anyone completed the F1 Drivers survey here...

I'be managed to complete it fine. It's quite long, but it does allow you to comment on most aspects of F1. The only thing it doesn't allow you to comment on is Bernie sucking so much money out of the sport.

[Uberseehandel]

Re: Anyone completed the F1 Drivers survey here...

Well I found it a pretty dire effort. Every single question was multiple choice. The answers were all pre-selected. There were no open questions.

For example where was I able to say that they should revert to V-10 Normally aspirated engines, with mechanically driven valve gear (not pneumatic) offering 800+hp. With absolutely no energy recovery. These would be fast, noisy and exciting, and would take some driving, especially if wings were banned.

Whoever put it together stitched up the drivers majorly.I wonder who actually selected the format and the questions? Apart from Rosberg, I don't think many of the drivers are up for that sort of thing.

At the sporting/quality end of the car industry it is well known that focus groups come up with dreadful ideas, so I doubt that Mercedes had anything to do with it, unless they want to bury it.

[Anonymous Coward]

F1 is pants...

I'm a lifer, or was up until the last couple of years. I used to go to Monza and the UAE each year but not any more. They killed it. Indycar is vastly more enjoyable. Here's what I think is wrong... What do others think...

* Indycar, each race is closer, literally anyone can win and that leads to a far closer championship. So why is this? I believe 3 or 4 car teams makes for better competition. Whereas having B and C teams just benefits the top guys and kills the drama.

* Indycar: Cars are easier to pass. Push to pass appears to be much more effective and less artificial than DRS!

* I find Nascar bland because its all ovals. However track variation from ovals to street racing in Indycar makes for interesting racing.

* In F1 the drivers are arguably all overpaid and just not hungry enough. Maybe F1 should be more like PGA Golf, where you get nothing, absolutely nothing if you don't win. Sometimes it seems the drivers are just playing it too safe, drivers are too worried about how they look, its all about image.

* I have some more points, but lets if there's any former F1 fans like me reading the Reg..

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: F1 is pants...

I moved on to MotoGP for much the same reasons. The skill is extremely apparent when someone like Marquez holds onto a bike who's rear end is dancing all over the tarmac into a corner, and the passing battles are freaking awesome. It helps if you ride a motorcycle and can relate to the dynamics, but even if not, it's way more entertaining than F1.

Oh. And how did everyone forget to pan the bland dreadful sound of the current F1 cars. MEEHH!

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: F1 is pants...

Not to mention the epic battles in Moto3 and Moto2:P

[emmanuel goldstein]

Re: F1 is pants...

for my money, motoGP is where the epic battles are at.

[PaulR79]

Re: F1 is pants...

F1 lost its appeal to me a long time ago. It went from an exciting sport where races could come down to the last corners regularly to a snore fest where one or 2 cars are way ahead of the rest and only a pit stop mistake or crashing would change it. I understand they wanted to make things safer after a series of high profile deaths such as Senna but it feels like they went too far in the opposite direction and took all the excitement out of it.

They had a massive amount of technology that made the cars relatively easy to win with if you had the best available and that meant driver skill had less impact on the results. That had to go even if I liked the old Williams / Renault combo but so much else has changed that cars are going around 10 seconds slower than they did previously.

I don't think anybody wants to see deaths in sport (at least no reasonable person) but the biggest death of all is the thrill of the race. Now it feels more like a tour of the courses with more and more pay barriers coming every year. I hated when Murray Walker left, I hated when it went to ITV but the ultimate thing was taking most of the races to a premium, premium service (Sky and Sky Sports subscriptions). Greed and currency signs flashing all over. All flash and no substance with pretty boy drivers.

[Graham Marsden]

Come back A1 GP...

It was a great shame the A1 GP series never worked out because it was so much better than F1.

With only one team per country and the cars being built to a single design which you only had limited rights to modify meant that it really came down to a test of driver skill, not simply who could spend the most money on development.

Couple that with the two races per meeting, a short sprint and then a longer event with a certain number of "push to pass" activations per race meant genuinely exciting racing, rather than, as happens with F1, I put the highlights on and work on my computer next to my TV until the commentators get excited, then I look up to see if anything interesting has happened...

[Naughtyhorse]

Re: F1 is pants...

I came to the conclusion years ago that sadly the tech has completely fucked F1. and i can't see a way back.

get rid of telemetry

get rid of pit to car radio

return manual gearboxes, foot clutches, no anti-stall

drop drs

all petrol lose this electric shite

use all the tyres, gearboxes and engines you want

practice when you want

but none of that will happen, may as well add, wake shumi and resurrect ayerton.

i still watch, with 1 eye just hoping for crashes

[Pete4000uk]

Re: F1 is pants...

Not sure about the currant Indy car. But the mid 90's turbos were awesome before Tony George decimated north American open wheel racing with the 'IRL'.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: F1 is pants...

Lost the will to watch when it became a processional that was won on pit lane strategy.

All the tweaks and twiddles they've made with the rules have taken away the balls to the wall racing that used to happen and turned it into a statistics geek's wet dream.

The app is just another manifestation of that.

F1 may be a great spectacle, the sound of an F1 engine being started and warmed will I hope always make the hairs on my neck stand up and give me the most stupid schoolboy grin but that's as far as it goes, the only reason for F1 now is if I've had a rough night sleep and don't fancy taking a tablet.

Had its day, I'd rather watch the amateurs at my local circuit.

[julianh72]

Bernie wonders why F1 viewer numbers are falling ...

TV coverage is being pushed from FTA to over-priced Pay TV (in Australia, only ten races will be shown live on FTA, and they're not covering the qualifying or practice sessions; Pay TV is only available through Foxtel at $50 per month for SD or $60 per month for HD), and they can't even get their mobile app to work reliably, or link your subscription to the web-site so you can get the data stream there.

I was promised linked app / website access for the first race in Australia; then they said it would be ready in April, then they said they couldn't process registrations which were made on the Google Play store when you buy the app, then they said it would be working in time for the Spanish Grand Prix (10 May), so I'm not in the least bit surprised its still not working for Monaco.

I'm a massive F1 fan, but getting access to my fortnightly fix is getting harder and harder ....

[A Non e-mouse]

Bernie is the problem

I feel that Bernie is the major problem with F1. This year, more than ever, costs in the sport have been high on the agenda and I've been amazed at how much power Bernie has in the sport and how much money he sucks out.

Stop Bernie sucking the life out of the sport and distribute all the media money move evenly between the teams. Then the smaller teams stand a chance of putting up more of a fight to the bigger teams. (But massive credit to the smaller teams for being where they are right now) Make the prize money the differentiator between first and last, not some secretive gentlemans club.

Oh - and someone give Christian Horner & Red Bull a slap and tell them to stop being so childish: "We're not winning any more so we want the rules changed". Pathetic.

[Pete4000uk]

Re: Bernie is the problem

His one big mistake was 'selling' F1 to CVC who take a chunk of the money out of the sport.

[Cwrw]

The GPDA survey won't work on an iPad

After many pages of questions you get to the submit screen - entering an email address and your name works OK, but the mandatory 'tick to accept' terms and conditions won't accept a tap. So the survey (around 20 minutes to complete) won't submit. So a bit like the modern F1 racing - it promises a lot, gets you involved and then lets you down ...

[MJI]

F1 lost me when

the BBC stopped showing live races.

Just why do I have to pay a licence?

[BenDwire]

Re: F1 lost me when

Tony H says: Oh do stop moaning and just watch Eastenders, Holby and The Voice...we spend vast amounts of cash on these gems to bring to our loving audience. Just be thankful that Auntie knows what's best for you. The fact that you like motorsport is meaningless when we take your money anyway and spend it how we like. Hic! More Champers, dahling??

FWIW I'm with you and dropped Sky 4 years back and stopped watching F1. After all, it's not like we didn't know the results the 'impartial' marshalls were going to come up with.

Now, if only Mr Farage had got voted in the Licence fee would be a dim distant memory ... (Obligatory beer/Nige icon) Hic! Burrp! Hurrah!

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: F1 lost me when

I can recommend the BTCC and supporting race coverage on ITV4. It's free, the racing is close and the commentary is good.

Personally I record it so I can skip the ads and some other bits I don't like. I used to skip some of the supporting races but I've come to like those as well.

[mrfill]

Re: F1 lost me when

But they still show some live races.

And you pay a licence so I can listen to the excellent 6Music and Radio 4 with no fucking adverts

[MJI]

Re: F1 lost me when

What lost me totally was going to BBC News and seeing the results on the front page, before it had been broadcast.

Oh and the voice, what a pile of shit, we lost full live F1 from BBC to pay for this crap, BBC needs to sack Cohen.

Live F1 gone, no more Top Gear, the cancelling of SF and fantasy series when they get interesting. There is little to watch for ME now.

Radio well they got rid of Bruce Dickinson, which was the main reason for me to listen to Radio 6.

[Anonymous Coward]

I lost interest over many years, from being the kid who could identify the cars before he was ever able to write down the names of them right up to early part of the new millennium, Don't get me started on the bore-fest that the rules have made the sport, I don't want to watch strategy, I want to see the best car/driver pairing win...

Bernies greed, stupid rules, a total lack of personality amongst the corporate drones aka drivers and finally a move to pay TV pushed me further and further away, the strange thing is I am a volunteer Track Marshal, I could earn the right to apply to "work" at a GP weekend but have zero interest - the sport treats every non celeb as a necessary annoyance - so I don't bother. Thats another thing thats wrong the pandering to empty celebrity that bring nothing to the sport, they talk of glamour, the glamour the fans seek is the gladiatorial type that comes from hard fought competition, not some poncy actor/pop product/sports droid posing on the grid

Moto GP has done similar to a great extent, losing the commentary team that really "sold" the sport for me in the rush to Pay TV. Now I watch BTCC where there are some real characters and some on track actio

The issue with the app is just another example of the contempt with which Bernie and the rest of the sport management see the ordinary public. .

[ecofeco]

Buggy software?

Seems like F1 got taken for a ride.

[Alan Brown]

Re: Buggy software?

"Seems like F1 got taken for a ride."

Not really.

F1 as it currently exists under Bernie is and always was about the advertising.

It was devised as a way to keep cigarette adverts on TV in the face of widespread bans. In my opinion it lost its way when the ciggy companies lost their dominance on the cars as countries wised up to the loophole being exploited.

There is much better racing in various other marques and most of that has to do with homogenisation of the vehicles. All the arenas where there can be substantial variation between cars are less dependent on driver skill than they should be.

[JP19]

Expensive and unsatisfying

The app seems to be a good match for F1.

If Ecclestone could completely have his way they would be racing transit vans to provide more space for advertising. Bizarrely the racing might also be more exciting.

[Shades]

Laws of physics aren't suspended for F1...

" Premium “real-time track position” screens are a mere work of fiction (we have a TV, so can check ...)

Ignoring the app freezes and such I'm really surprised by the above comment, especially coming from a reader of a tech website.

Presuming the cars are tracked via GPS the car has to get its position, beam that to trackside receivers (or the teams own receivers), that then gets forwarded to local FoM servers (where its processed for the pit/garage screens) and then passed along to a data centre somewhere in the world. This then has to work its way to your ISP (and given that you could be on the complete opposite side of the world to the datacentre) and then who knows what priority your ISP gives that traffic before its squirted into your device.

THEN realise that the single practice/quali/race TV feed, produced by FoM, is delayed on purpose by FoM before its shared with the various OB trucks (that are used for pre/post race segments and muxing the commentary by individual broadcasters). From the OB trucks its then sent to the the respective broadcasters distribution centres before being sent on to local transmitters or fed back up to satellites before being piped into homes. In the case of syndicated broadcasts an intermediary hop can be introduced; like Australia, I believe, gets its feed from the BBC, which the BBC has to send to the Oz broadcaster before its distributed to homes by whatever means.

And the reader really thought the "real-time" track-position would really match the "live" TV pictures? One only has to look at remote interviews conducted via satellite on News broadcasts to see the kind of delay just one hop introduces.

[Richard 12]

Re: Laws of physics aren't suspended for F1...

5 sec behind would be good.

10 sec behind would be reasonable.

Utterly wrong on the other hand...

[druck]

Re: Laws of physics aren't suspended for F1...

The free live data on the F1 website was great a few years ago, it was comprehensive and about 5 seconds ahead of the coverage on Freeview, letting you know a pit stop was coming just before it was shown. Of course Bernie the bastard has put a stop to that, what with a £billion tax bill and all.

The BBC do 'live' information on their website, but it at least 90 seconds behind Freeview, you have to use the playback buffer on the DVR in order to make it anything less than completely useless. So few races are shown live on the BBC now, it means I can't even watch those that are truly live.

[James Ashton]

Re: Laws of physics aren't suspended for F1...

"Presuming the cars are tracked via GPS the car has to get its position"

You'd like to think that. I paid the more reasonable cost for the app last year and quickly concluded that the car position was probably being guessed ("interpolated" if you want to be generous) from just the three detection points they have around each circuit (at the end of each "sector"). The app was garbage that frequently showed up nonsensical information. It was marginally useful in seeing how non-front-running cars were doing, and during the ad breaks, but the bad experience made mine an easy decision when they drastically upped the price for this year. Now I'm feeling smug about this story.

Back to the GPS concept: if the cars do have GPS, and it would be so easy, cheap and useful that they probably do, then the telemetry is going to the teams, not to the F1 organisers. The teams get the timing data from the organisers and not the other way around.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Laws of physics aren't suspended for F1...

The cars do have GPS tracking. Look at the coverage of the Mercedes mistake in Monaco and you'll see it referred to. It usually works fairly well, although Monaco can be a bit shaky.

The data is seen and used by race control as well as the teams.

I can think of no technical reasons why the data shouldn't be displayed on a web page with a delta of a few seconds. There are only a few cars and the web site wouldn't need to be updated every second so the data volume is fairly low.

[Anonymous Coward]

Microsoft Dynamics / Microsoft Azure?

Weren't we force fed those bloody annoying adverts that it was all down to the wonders of Microsoft Dynamics and MIcrosoft Azure / Cloud Computing? Seems that backend data is harder to visualise / connect to than they thought, Real time? Scaleable? Hmmm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl9cfv7MQCg

[DanceMan]

Lost Interest

Much prefer endurance racing, both Le Mans/WEC and US Tudor. It's far more real racing and less of a tech$$ game. F1 abandoned its classic venues in a race to chase $, thanks to Bernie.

[Conor Turton]

Maybe they should ask Sky

They need to ask Sky Sports F1 how to do it or maybe even pay them to release a F1 branded version.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Maybe they should ask Sky

Definitely. It's sad that the races aren't broadcast FTA but without getting into that debate - Sky have got it absolutely nailed, their coverage is excellent, really excellent and in my opinion the best F1 race weekend programming we have ever had. Their mobile apps put the official F1 app to shame and you need nothing more than what they provide, oh and it all works, flawlessly. If only we could sort out the cars my race weekends would be perfect.

[Anonymous Coward]

Watching Paint Dry

Is cheaper and on par for entertainment value. I've got a room that needs doing if you need a fix.

[Anonymous Coward]

Inaccurate driver information

>the glitzy motor racing contest's official mobile app, which spews out inaccurate driver information

That explains what happened to Hamilton. Mercedes were using this app.

[Valeyard]

All I want from the app...

All I wanted from the app was the kind of thing you get at the bottom of the screen: position, interval, numbers of pits so far and tyres for each driver

On the TV it might show the top 5, then a few minutes later decide to show the top 10, but if you're watching a battle it's nice to be able to glance at the app and see "Ah this guy hasn't pitted yet so this battle won't last long"

And it used to a season or two ago, i haven't seen it be very inaccurate personally (It's updated at each section of a lap rather than proper real-time) , but all the information I want, that WAS there, now isn't