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Russia and China have promised to play nicely and not hack each other. The two countries also agreed to jointly counteract technology that may "destabilise the internal political and socio-economic atmosphere", "disturb public order" or "interfere with the internal affairs of the state", the Wall Street Journal reports. The …

  1. All names Taken
    Paris Hilton

    Hmmm?

    China sez to Ruski 'You go ahead we will follow, India and Brazil will tag along in a week or two once they have assessed, analysed and taken onboard Uncle Sam's reaction and more or less importantly his response?'?

  2. Nixinkome

    Now we know what those two countries will do!

    1. Thorne

      Now we know what those two countries will do!

      Yes we do. They will keep hacking each other but hide the evidence better..........

  3. JamesPond
    Flame

    What a surprise

    that two de facto one-party states i.e. dictatorships, decide to cooperate with each other! On the other hand, given where the destabilizing effects of the Arab spring has left the middle-east and north Africa, and then given these countries sizeable anti sino-russian populations, what would you do in their shoes?

    1. All names Taken
      Paris Hilton

      Re: What a surprise

      I may be mistaken - and apologies if so - but it seems to me that a big difference between the UK-US overseas funding and China overseas funding is that the UK-US model funds individuals whereas the China model favours funding the nation state.

      So where one model makes for very wealthy families usually evolving into dynasties (Shah, him in Iraq too, several in S Amerika) with some really dieing nasty the other builds sports stadia, municipal projects (okay I admit some are or appear to be on a scale that the host nation state is unlikely to require for a decade or two but the difference between benefiting a state and a few individuals within that state seems a bit obvious no?)?

      1. drunk.smile

        "sports stadia, municipal projects... on a scale that the host nation state is unlikely to require"

        Is this China or FIFA you're referring to?

    2. LDS Silver badge

      Re: What a surprise

      "what would you do in their shoes"

      Stopping being idiot dictators and trying to move the countries to a real democracy? Oh yes, there's a lot of money, power and easy women to lose... but you may choose to enter History on the same index as Hitler, Stalin. etc. of far better people who actually did something for their citizens.

      But it looks fears - too many fears - is turning again Western countries to think "dictators" are the way to go to keep things quiet. History has shown several times it's the wrong bet. There's never a "good dictator" - too much power corrupts anybody, and then stopping them becomes terribly expensive - including lives.

      1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        Re: What a surprise ...@LDS

        But it looks fears - too many fears - is turning again Western countries to think "dictators" are the way to go to keep things quiet. History has shown several times it's the wrong bet. There's never a "good dictator" - too much power corrupts anybody, and then stopping them becomes terribly expensive - including lives .... LDS

        Mirror, mirror, on the wall ... who's the worst dictator of them all? ....... http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-11/war-threat-rises-economy-declines-warns-paul-craig-roberts

        The elephant and donkey in the room is an ignorant bully, and we all know what always happens to them. They get what they rightly royally deserve, and in spades.

        And a little something for the Westminster Puppet Theatre to ponder on and wonder at the cost of supporting mindlessly.

    3. Mark 85 Silver badge

      Re: What a surprise

      I think this is more of an agreement that by not openly snooping on each other, they can control what their populations can access. Back in the Mao days, there was mutual distrust but also mutual agreement on how-to handle the populations.

      As for "de-stabilizing".... have a look at history. The Korea's from China's end as well as their looong history of antagonism with Japan. Up until fairly recently, they were truly a closed society. From the Russian side, the histories of places like Hungary, Afghanistan, even the Balkans was one of propping up dictators and excesses. The West's hands aren't the only ones who are "dirty".

      Arab-spring is/was more about settling old scores once the power masters were looking the other way.

  4. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Renegades and Rogues in Star and Black Chamber Roles is a Future Indicative APCT* App

    And as always has been, and is, and most likely will continue to be, is the reality only a front and shell operation to aid and abet significantly greater plays and missions with both leading known state and relatively anonymous unknown non-state actors .....

    amanfromMars Mon 11 May 09:48 [1505110948] ….expanding on http://www.wired.com/2015/05/spooky-quantum-action-might-hold-universe-together/

    And a klondike for DARPA/IARPA MetaDataBase Mining ..... leading Western implementation.

    Or is its IT Command and CyberIntelAIgent Control to be exported and exploited as an Exotic Erotic Eastern confection?

    That is a simple choice which be easily realised, although it is but two opportunities to explore and deliver with Global Operating Devices to SysAdmins. In a world with worlds with unlimited options, such is only a SMARTR IntelAIgent Start.

    Capiche?

    * Advanced Persistent Cyber Threat ...... Devilishly Cunning Heavenly Opportunity.

    NB .... There is only the one question mark there to assault your thinking with the introduction of doubt to assist stealth in supplying systems sublimely and unhindered.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Won't be long until we ask to join them.

    Bet Teresa May is asking to join before long. Snooper charter ahoy!.

    (Not to say Stalin Brown and Jaq' boot Smith was any better)

  6. alain williams Silver badge

    They will just outsource it ...

    to someone else. I doubt that they really believe that the other will stop trying to crack them, this is just for show.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Joke

    China and Russia agreeing to not hack eachother is a little like an old lawyer joke...

    Q: Why don't sharks bite lawyers?

    A: Professional courtesy

  8. Tranzcoder

    Put that in your net neutrality and smoke it....

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    If you believe this nonsense

    ...I have some ocean front property in Arizona that you'd be interested in buying - sight unseen.

  10. Small Furry Animal
    Alert

    Why does this remind me of

    ... a certain non-aggression pact signed on 23 August 1939?

  11. crayon

    "that two de facto one-party states i.e. dictatorships, decide to cooperate with each other!"

    As of now, there are very few dictatorships in the world, the DPRK is one, one or two countries in Central Asia might qualify, that's about it.

    "On the other hand, given where the destabilizing effects of the Arab spring has left the middle-east and north Africa, and then given these countries sizeable anti sino-russian populations, what would you do in their shoes?"

    Anti sino-russian populations? Really? What are you smoking? And sizeable too? I think you're looking at the wrong region.

    On the whole the Arab Spring is characterised by people protesting against their own elite. The "West" initially were caught wrong footed, should they support the aspirations of the people for a freer, fairer, more democratic society or should they carrying on supporting the despots in power. In the end they played the sectarian card, so with the help of Saudi Arabia and using the Shia Iran bogeyman they unleashed the latest round bloodletting in the Middle East and North Africa.

    "Is this China or FIFA you're referring to?"

    FIFA takes the profits and leaves the host country with the debts and surplus stadiums.

  12. Speltier

    Russkies Never Learn

    Didn't Stalin sign the same sort of pact with Hitler? Look how that ended.

    Hmmm. On the other hand, maybe that is in our favor.

  13. PaulAb

    Menu tonight....

    plawn clacker and vodka = Detente

    Old Putnik must look in awe towards his dream Totalitarian friends

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