back to article EU Commish is rather pleased German BND and NSA thought it worth spying on

According to local media reports Thursday, German intelligence agency BND (the Bundesnachrichtendienst) has helped the US National Security Agency (NSA) spy on the European Commission and French authorities since 2008. German officials themselves were not targeted because of a NSA-BND deal signed in 2002. The revelations have …

  1. codejunky Silver badge
    Devil

    Ha

    Says a lot when the EU is pleased to be worth noticing. Makes me feel so good about all that money we throw their way. Not

    1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: Ha

      You have to pay more to make things better!

      Think of all the unintelligible bullshit your are missing on by not having TWICE AS MANY people in the brainless top tier.

      1. codejunky Silver badge

        Re: Ha

        @ Destroy All Monsters

        "You have to pay more to make things better!"

        That was labours mantra wasnt it? Didnt work out too well in the end. Oddly paying more doesnt seem to be the problem with the leadership of this country, but the idea of better always seems to elude them (whoever is in power).

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Ha

          "Makes me feel so good about all that money we throw their way. Not"

          Personally I think no Franco-German war for the last 70 years is alone worth all that money without even considering all the other stuff they do. For comparison there were three of these conflicts in the previous 70 years, the last two becoming World Wars.

          1. codejunky Silver badge

            Re: Ha

            @ Smooth Newt

            "Personally I think no Franco-German war for the last 70 years is alone worth all that money without even considering all the other stuff they do"

            You do know that the Franco-German peace hasnt been because of the EU? It was all the sacrificed goats that did it! And the rain only comes if you appease the god of thunder by winning mortal kombat tournaments! And you know it will all fall apart when a black cat crosses in front of you.

            Also I am sure you have tripped and fell in your lifetime. If you send me money you wont fall but be aware the bill will continue to rise, but its worth it because it will resolve the completely unrelated issue.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Mushroom

              Re: Ha

              @codejunky I guess they don't teach history in schools any more.

              In 1945 most of Europe was lying devastated from war for the second time in a generation. No-one wanted this to happen again. Since copious amounts of steel and energy were essential for building armaments, the idea arose of pooling Franco-German coal and steel production so that it would be impossible for one country ever to become a threat for the other.

              The result was the European Coal and Steel Community which grew and grew to become the EU.

              So yes, the original precursor to the EU was explicitly created as a political structure to make war between France and Germany impossible.

              1. codejunky Silver badge

                Re: Ha

                @ Smooth Newt

                "So yes, the original precursor to the EU was explicitly created as a political structure to make war between France and Germany impossible."

                Thank you for realising it is not my history knowledge which is the problem. A common trade block NOT the recently created political and currency union was put in place and it makes war between them less likely. Although the main driving forces politically seem to be Germany's reluctance to be a European leader due to the heavy shame they still struggle with over the Nazi issue and that France was the stronger economy of the European trading block (something which has greatly changed).

                So back to throwing salt over your shoulder, why does the lack of the extremely contentious EU which has prompted the rise of nationalists and extremists across the whole EU of both the left and right wings mean that there is less chance of a war than if the EU project collapsed back to the state that has worked for the majority of that 70 yrs? Compared to the recent development of the EU and its decimation of the Greek economy, rise of nationalism, friction causing with Russia, gravy train abusing and general fun-buggery?

                As I said I am amused that they now feel important.

          2. SundogUK Silver badge

            Re: Ha

            EU? I think you meant NATO.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Ha

              No. I really do mean the European Coal and Steel Community, not NATO. See the Wikipedia article on the Schuman Declaration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuman_Declaration

  2. Fred Flintstone Gold badge

    Privacy understatement of the year

    President of the Commission Jean Claude Juncker said that in his experience (as former Luxembourg PM) intelligence service personnel “are very difficult to control”.

    Ah, what a nice way to put it..

    1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: Privacy understatement of the year

      Found the article

      Luxembourg Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker has been brought down by a scandal handed to him by the country's intelligence service, the Service de Renseignement de l'Etat luxembourgeois (SREL). The service, which is supposed to address external security and terrorist threats, reports directly to the head of the government. That's why a 141-page report by a parliamentary investigation committee found that Juncker holds political responsibility for the illegal operations that SREL officers have conducted for years. The extensive use of Luxembourgish in the mainly French document means that, even without further encryption, it is poorly accessible to outsiders.

      The report makes clear that Juncker simply did not treat the intelligence service seriously enough. Most of the time, he didn't even want to know precisely what was going on. He was satisfied with intimations and preferred to give advice rather than instructions.

      This was wise as he got promoted to the Eurosphere...

      Spiegel leaves out a whole lot of very tasty stuff (false flag attacks via actual bombings, targeted rumor-mongering by intimating that prosecutors are involved in paedophilia, buying cars on discount because 'member of the state', then selling them dear after hours, breaking and entering journalists' houses on direct order of the prime minister to check where info comes from ... the works!)

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Americans wonder why we call them septic tanks.

  4. WonkoTheSane
    Black Helicopters

    BND forgot to check something.

    BND may have made a deal with the NSA to not spy on Germany directly, but did NSA have a deal with GCHQ to do it for them?

  5. msknight

    More likely...

    'After Snowden’s first revelations Angela Merkel said strongly that “spying on friends is a no-go”. So either EU member states are no friends to Merkel or she doesn’t take her own words seriously.'

    ...she probably didn't know what was going on. After all... 'intelligence service personnel “are very difficult to control”.'

    This is probably one of those mornings when Merkel had wishes she had drunk heavily the night before ... she might as well have done something to earn the headache.

  6. thomas k.

    "it’s good that people are interested in us"

    Well, you know what Wilde used to say ...

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: "it’s good that people are interested in us"

      Marty or Kim?

      Downtown the young ones are going

      Downtown the young ones are growing

      We're the kids in America (Whoa)

      We're the kids in America (Whoa)

      Everybody live for the music-go-round

  7. Mark 85 Silver badge

    Priceless

    Schinas said: “The appropriate measures will be taken, at the appropriate level, by the appropriate people.”

    Just priceless.... the only thing missing is "We have top men working on this... top..... men..."

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