back to article NHS England has some sneaky plans for Care.data acceleration

Despite promises to pause the hated Care.data scheme, El Reg has discovered that the architect of the plans, NHS England's National Director for Patients and Information Tim Kelsey, plans to gear up the pilot programme before the next election. Labour MP Roger Godsiff told El Reg that Kelsey had informed him of the plans to " …

  1. phil dude
    Joke

    sounds like...

    someone has a cushy contract to sell the data, and the client is getting angsty.

    P.

    1. PhilBuk

      Re: sounds like...

      I suspect it's more like he wants the announcements, flyers through the post, etc. to get ignored in the general pre-election deluge of crap which most sensible people ignore.

      Phil.

  2. Captain Hogwash

    Phil Dude

    Why the joke icon?

  3. Zog_but_not_the_first
    WTF?

    The price of failing to cooperate...

    May be your life.

    "In January El Reg revealed that hundreds of thousands of NHS patients who opted out of having their details shared with private companies under the controversial Care.data scheme would not be invited to a number of cancer-related screenings."

    Did I miss something? Have we really arrived at such a low point?

    1. Paul Kinsler

      Re: The price of failing to cooperate...

      From what I recall, it didn't seem to be vindictive. Just that (IIRC) if your record wasn't on care.data, it wouldn't (couldn't) be auto-checked for matches against risk criteria, and hence you wouldn't get flagged up as being a suitable candidate for screening.

      1. vagabondo

        Re: The price of failing to cooperate...

        I do not live in England, but aren't invites to routine screening, vaccination, etc. sent out by your general practice?

        1. Gordon 10
          Black Helicopters

          Re: The price of failing to cooperate...

          That was the sneaky bit - disenfranchise the Care.Data non-comformists by breaking the established process of letting the GP's do it.

          1. launcap Silver badge
            FAIL

            Re: The price of failing to cooperate...

            Which brings us on to the electronic prescriptions - the chemist where I pick up my diabetes medication recently informed me that they (and my GP) were going over to (exclusively) electronic prescriptions which may involve the chemist sharing my details and prescriptions with other companies in their group.

            I objected.

            They said "tough".

            I objected

            They said "tough - oh and if you want to carry on getting prescriptions from here there is no other option - you can't stay on the current system because we are no longer doing it"

            Sadly, none of the chemists available within reach are going to be doing the old-style prescriptions either. So now I have a choice of:

            1. Use electronic dispensing and allow my medical details to be shared with the group of companies

            2. Don't get prescriptions.

            It didn't help that all the people I spoke to, both in the GP and at the chemists, were utterly ignorant of both the DPA and the concept of data security.

            1. SImon Hobson Bronze badge

              Re: The price of failing to cooperate...

              To which I'd reply :

              "In that case, can I just check that I've got your details correct for the upcoming prosecution ?"

              That might just get them to start discussing their responsibilities - which include that they cannot coerce you into allowing this. You have to give your freely given and informed consent - this isn't one of those "covered by the exceptions" situations.

        2. swampdog

          Re: The price of failing to cooperate...

          Usually, although if you've been elsewhere, like hospital, invites might come from other sources.

          It's a horrible mess in my experience. Only this week my wife got a questionnaire from her GP practice. To paraphrase it said, "We'd like you to fill this out because we've identified you as being low risk" whereas myself, who is at higher than normal risk, received no such questionnaire. It was gender neutral btw (blood pressure). My GP practice is less than two miles from hers.

          The principle of Care.data is a good thing but like all govt IT projects in this country, untrustworthy so we both opted out.

          My father was a lawyer. He gave me this advice..

          "Son, never trust a lawyer"

          I would add..

          "Son, never trust a Practice Manager"

          FYI, a practice manager runs the facility the GPs work in, supposedly to perform the administration but with years of function creep / power grabs these "receptionists" now have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

          ..to the extent they control when & how appointments are made. ie: you can't now phone up & make an appointment in whatever free slot is available, you have to phone between certain times & they will not allow appointments to be booked more than a few days (eg: a week) in advance. No slots? Phone again tomorrow.

  4. teebie

    Is this a precursor to "Weeeeelll, we've sent out some leaflets now, so we might as well start selling patient's data"?

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Gov IT project = failure, usually.

    Not sure what to expect from a rushed gov IT project, but I'm looking forward to some spectacular results...a redefining of the very concept of failure, probably. Maybe explosions.

    1. Gordon 10

      explosions in this case == enough medical data in the semi-public (i.e. corporate paid for) domain to allow insurance co's and other to "game" your premiums.

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  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Maybe we can hook up the results with CERN and isolate the fundamental fail particle.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Coat

      I think most politicians view themselves as a charm quark.

      Voters I think view them mostly as bottom quarks.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      "...isolate the fundamental fail particle."

      No need for CERN; just stick pretty much any government minister or senior health service administrator in a blender or similar and you should get a load of individual particles since the aforementioned are made entirely of them.

      Bloody satisfying too.

  8. David Pollard

    Said it before and will say it again

    With respect to both accuracy and security it's not a good idea to have two copies of the data.

    There seems to me to be no reason why data for large-scale surveys and research cannot be pre-processed locally at the GP, clinic and hospital level and the essentially anonymous results then collated nationally.

  9. All names Taken
    Alien

    My UK GP ...

    ... lets me make appointments online.

    That is to see nurse, GP, visiting specialist, ...

  10. Graham Marsden
    Alert

    "We will not be contacting patients about the care.data programme before the General Election...

    "... but that doesn't mean we'll not be pushing ahead with it, just that we won't be telling you about it..."

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