back to article FOCUS! 7680 x 4320 notebook and fondleslab screens are coming

An update to the DisplayPort standard is promising to bring about a new line of 8k screens for notebooks, tablets and all-in-ones. The Video Electronics Standards Association (VESA) has published a new standard for embedded display hardware. The eDP 1.4a update will support connections of 8.1Gbps per-channel and allow for …

  1. Eponymous Cowherd

    An 8K fondleslab?

    As an everyday user, this gets me what, exactly?

    1. Lee D

      Re: An 8K fondleslab?

      Very, very, very tiny writing that you have to then zoom back to bigger sizes in order to be able to read.

      1. Elmer Phud

        Re: An 8K fondleslab?

        "Very, very, very tiny writing that you have to then zoom back to bigger sizes in order to be able to read."

        Ah, thanks.

        Modelled on the T&C on most contracts then.

        (will it also be in light green?)

      2. Eponymous Cowherd

        Re: An 8K fondleslab?

        Well, I assume that it will use the dpi of the screen to render sensibly, but at 960dpi (or around 38 pixels per mm) for an iPad fitted wit an 8K screen,I cant see (or,literally, won't be able to see) the benefit over the existing 264dpi "retina" display.

    2. SuccessCase

      Re: An 8K fondleslab?

      Together with the right dodgy OS skin/theme from China, the ability to pretend you have an Apple machine

    3. Anonymous Coward

      Re: An 8K fondleslab?

      A "pocket sized "2m x1m screen...Samsung are releasing it next year, Apple 3 years later.

      1. Vince

        Re: An 8K fondleslab?

        ...although when Apple do release it 3 years later, they'll claim it's new, a first and everyone will go out and buy it as if that's true...

        1. Elmer Phud

          Re: An 8K fondleslab?

          "although when Apple do release it 3 years later,"

          as in 'it's been around a while and had the corners knocked off of it'?

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: An 8K fondleslab?

      A very very hot GPU and a flat battery?

      1. jaime

        Re: An 8K fondleslab?


        Desktop PC's have a hard enough time pushing 4K can't imagine the power 8K would suck up!

        I've been using a desktop with 4K monitor and I can tell you we aren't even ready for 4K let alone 8K!

        Too much web and other content that looks terrible at 4K as it is since alot of content was originally designed for 1K or so.

        1. SuccessCase

          Re: An 8K fondleslab?

          "I've been using a desktop with 4K monitor and I can tell you we aren't even ready for 4K let alone 8K!"

          PC's no. 5k iMac, absolutely fantastic right now today.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Anyone using 4K monitor in Linux?

            Curious how well that works? From some quick checking I did recently, it looks like the pieces are mostly in place. X & Cinnamon already support it, Firefox 38 (due in May) will. I'm sure some things will be a bit wonky, but hopefully those issues are being addressed.

            I'm waiting for Intel Crystallwell CPUs and thinking this fall is when I'd be looking at putting together a new PC with integrated graphics able to handle a 4K monitor.

            1. Chris Beattie

              Re: Anyone using 4K monitor in Linux?

              I am. I got one of the ~$600USD Samsung 28" UHD displays last year. I'm running Ubuntu 14.04 still. I toyed around with the display at work before I brought it home. There wasn't anything I could get my hands on that could drive it at native resolution. I knew the integrated Intel graphics on my home PC would surely be even worse, so I got an Nvidia GeForce 750Ti too, because I figured that had the best chance of driving it at 60Hz without spending even more money and the proprietary drivers aren't hard to install in Ubuntu.

              I don't think anything I do even needs that many FPS. I don't game on that machine. It sure does make photo editing a lot easier, though. I have an older DSLR whose images nearly fit on-screen at 100% zoom, so I can figure out that all of my pictures are out of focus that much faster. Google Earth looks great, too. The only "problem" there is looking at a city, it just takes a long time for all the 3D buildings to transfer over from Google's servers.

              The default Unity interface isn't a problem for me to use. I never bothered to see if I could scale the widgets. I still find myself making use of multiple desktops like I've always done, with different sets of apps on each desktop (GIMP in one, browsers in another, copying files in a third, etc.).

              Most of the stuff on YouTube that claims to be 4K still looks like crap, but I was able to download sample videos that do look spectacular (Blender's "Tears of Steel" and a Canal+ demo). I don't have a fast enough network connection to stream 4K, I guess.

              The monitor was so new when I got it that all the on-screen menus were in Korean, and it shipped with a pamphlet that tried to describe how to set them to English. There was some sort of bug where the language settings weren't shown in the menus unless the monitor was already displaying an image, or something like that. I got that all sorted out, though, and I've been using it for almost a year and never regretted it once.

          2. Dave 126 Silver badge

            Re: An 8K fondleslab?

            >PC's no. 5k iMac, absolutely fantastic right now today

            There have been some 4k-ish Windows laptops around for a year or so... Reviews suggest that these days Windows scales sensibly, but it is at the mercy of applications, especially legacy applications. Stupidly, Photoshop was unusable on high res Windows displays a year ago - though this might have been fixed now.

            1. jaime

              Re: An 8K fondleslab?

              Only fixed recently if you are running the Photoshop CC 2014 version or newer.

          3. jaime

            Re: An 8K fondleslab?

            No. If you visit the Apple forums there is plenty of complains of sluggish performance and overheating with the 5k iMacs!

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: An 8K fondleslab?

      As an everyday user, this gets me what, exactly?

      using a magnifying glass, you will be able to spot incredible detail in the image of a pussy you just downloaded.

    6. werdsmith Silver badge

      Re: An 8K fondleslab?

      "As an everyday user, this gets me what, exactly?"

      Stuck pixels that you won't be able to see.

      Win Win

  2. Vince

    Great, and given that a good number of apps can't handle the 3200x1800 on my current laptop without exhibiting some really obscure issues, I can only imagine the joy that will arise with even higher resolutions.

    1. jaime

      They may not even work.

      I recall Microsoft having to put out patches for some of it's own software to work after 6 core or more cpu's came out since I guess no one ever thought home users would have that much power LOL.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Oh great, even tinier fonts in Windows - MS sort your GUI scaling out.

    1. Def Silver badge

      Windows 8 scales just fine. It even scales legacy applications that are not high-DPI aware. (Admittedly that could be done in a nicer way, but at least it does something - which is more than can be said for Windows 7.)

  4. Torben Mogensen

    Wall displays

    That resolution only makes sense for wall displays, but a display port could drive one such.

    This drive for higher resolution resembles the similar drive for digital cameras, where resolutions on most cameras are now much higher than the accuracy of the lenses. What is needed for digital cameras is better light sensitivity instead.

    On a laptop or tablet screen 4K is more than enough (3K is IMO the useful limit for less than 17" screens). Like in cameras, what is needed is not more pixels. On screens what is needed is better colour reproduction and better visibility is sunlight. Reflected-light screens (like Qualcomm's Mirasol, once fully developed) may be the future.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    8k on a laptop?

    I think we can guess which company will be the first to enter this particular cock-waving contest.

    1. Elmer Phud

      Re: 8k on a laptop?

      But at 8k it's better for seeing the cock clearly.

  6. jason 7

    The reality?

    Next year we'll still have 99% of laptops with 1368x768 TN screens.

  7. Andy The Hat Silver badge

    But, being human, I'd have to stick it to my eyeball to notice the difference ...

    Another attempt to stimulate the market by getting gullible punters to replace perfectly good hardware with hardware they really don't need ... they'll do it in 3D after that.

    1. jason 7

      Well I'd settle for being able to buy an average laptop with at least a 1600x900 screen but apparently I'm just too fussy it seems.

      It's crazy that in a few months time we'll probably have -

      % of laptops with 768p screens - 66%

      % of laptops with 1080p screens - 2%

      % of laptops with 4K screens - 32%

      Just no middle ground. From one extreme to the other.

      1. Dave 126 Silver badge

        1920 x 1200 is my years-old Dell Core 2 Duo laptop... Wish I could get a newer machine with 16:10.

        1. gregthecanuck

          Same here - 1920x1200 on an HP Elitebook 8730w.

    2. Robert Helpmann??

      On Being Human

      But, being human, I'd have to stick it to my eyeball to notice the difference ...

      Good point. This would find better use in a VR headset than a laptop.

  8. Michael H.F. Wilkinson

    It might well be useful for some specialists

    Very big displays of very big data (actually, many images I work on are a lot bigger: 40kx40k). Having a powerful machine with massive GPU grunt and a big screen, that resolution would be very nice. On my tablet, not so much, on my laptop, a more modest improvement in resolution would be better

  9. RainForestGuppy

    One born every minute

    It's a bit like the £10K ethernet cable the other day.

    There are people who will buy them because they can, and then insist that they can see/hear the difference.

    1. Nigel 11

      Re: One born every minute

      There are people who will buy them because they can, and then insist that they can see/hear the difference.

      You'll see the difference. On a 1024 display of an image containing a very small feature sized one quarter of a pixel squared, that feature will at best cause the single pixel containing it to be one sixteenth brighter or darker ... which you won't (can't) notice. The human eye is far more responsive to sharp step changes in brightness (edges) than it is to slight variation.

      On a 4k screen it'll be a bright or dark or different-colour "spark" pixel which you can notice.

      If it's not obvious what the pixel represents (there will be a line of them for a line feature), you'll zoom in on your model to see it better. But if you can't see it at all, you won't know there's any reason to zoom.

      If you went through part of your childhood with slight uncorrected short sight, you'll remember the sudden impact of reality when you put on your first pair of glasses. Leaves! Raindrops! Stars! A really high-resolution screen displaying really high-resolution imagery will be similar.

      It's the sort of thing architects in particular will love.

      1. phil dude
        Thumb Up

        Re: One born every minute

        and medical diagnostics....


  10. ukgnome

    Awesome News!

    Now my facebook feed will still look exactly the same!

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I really don't see the point..

    .. although that is in context actually a terrible pun. Excuse me :)

    I have a few Retina devices, but I can't say it's changed anything significant. I assume for people in visual professions such as video, photography or graphic design it would be an improvement, but for me it hasn't made much difference.

    As a result, I am seriously not interested in an ever higher resolution - for me, it's not worth the expense.

  12. Jim84

    Lightfield displays

    Pseudo Holographic Displays require about 10 times 1080p resolution to work according to Seereal Technologies. Of course a telly manufacturer still has to put some king of beam steering oil filled block or whatever in front of each pixel to make a lightfield display.

    Ultra D also seem to be doing some work in this area:

  13. stucs201

    8K screens are actually nice for low res content too

    4320 is an integer multiple of each of 480, 720, 1080 and 2160. This makes an 8K screen the only one that you can use to display content created for all of the common lower resolutions (of the same aspect ratio) with pixel-perfect scaling.

    1. Lamont Cranston

      Re: 8K screens are actually nice for low res content too

      But not of 576.

      1. stucs201

        Re: 576

        Doh! I'd like a 16K screen then please - that'll sort it out :)

  14. Little Mouse Silver badge

    I'm going against the grain here but -

    ...shirley this is a good thing? Personally, I'd love to have that printed-paper* look on a full size monitor.

    *When viewing writing on my 24" HD monitor I can see the effects of pixellation. On my 5" phone screen I can't. I know which I prefer...

    1. Def Silver badge

      Re: I'm going against the grain here but -

      Yes, it's a great thing. No more shitty anti-aliased text. No more clear type bullshit that gives your text a red/blue ghost like the 1970's 3D, George Lucas bastard love child that it is, and looks shit on almost horizontal lines.

    2. P. Lee

      Re: I'm going against the grain here but -

      The quality of relatively static output should be excellent, but I suspect that we're going way beyond laptop/slab "retina" requirements here.

      If you want fast updates, you might need a Titan or two. Actually, that might mean that low performance gadgets are the place to put these things - It stops people wanting to play Battlefield 3 on it. You've also got the option of a DP port on your gadget which you could plug into a real monitor and span the graphics system. Just because the chipset supports it, doesn't mean you're going to have a single screen with it - chained displays with DP are also possible.

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