Why should Apple be worried?
The Samsung might be a geek treat, but the average iPunter isn't going to be taking much notice.
Newly leaked specifications for the Samsung Galaxy S6 show the South Korean company taking the fight back to Apple. The expected flagship is expected to debut a year after we saw the S5 at Mobile World Congress. The “64-bit eight-core 14nm CPU which is 50% faster” could be the rumoured Snapdragon 820, but that’s likely to be …
There's nothing even close to revolutionary. Incremental improvements in resolution, performance, etc. Did you find the S5 was too low resolution, or too slow? Did they recently install CAT-6 LTE where you live, and are you one of the few who still has an unlimited data plan?
The answer to all these things will be no for almost everyone, so I don't see why this is going to tempt anyone (Android fans included) any more than the S5. If it has a different design it may help, but changing the design it has had since at least the S3 days will also turn off some people too (especially if it has a glass back and non-removable battery, as one rumor indicated)
Every once new and revolutionary product line settles down after a few product generations and we only get evolutionary improvements. The margins tend to drop too.
This is normal. Revolutionary products are rather rare.
As Newton noted progress is made by standing on the shoulders of those who went before.
I don't think Apple should be worried: the difference in Samsung's release schedule and Apple's routinely means that one manages to launch a newer/faster/shinier flagship than the other. It's business as usual. It's expected.
It's now been, what, four years since Android became number one? And eight years since the original iPhone came out? Apple is doing fine and Samsung is still doing spectacularly by any fixed measure, even if less spectacularly than for the last few years. But that's Android diversification and ever-ongoing phone commoditisation for you.
Huh. Apple sells more iPhones every year. Profits and revenues up. The Android OEMS are losing at the low end to AOSP, but Android's Android right, so who cares about subtleties?
Okay, I wouldn't say you're wrong. Let's say that Android is eating Apple's ham and cheese sandwich while Apple enjoys an eight course dinner at a five-star restaurant. With classy floor show.
Really, that "Market Share thing" I don't think it means what you think it means...
Despite being on the market for just over a month of the three months ending with October 2014, the iPhone 6 Plus captured 41% of 'phablet' sales—sales of smartphones with a screen size of 5.5 inches and larger.
(from the daily fail)
So that's giving Android Phablets 2 months to themselves, the 6+ sold enough in one month to be 41% of the market.
0-41%...that's a pretty big jump in market share...
So that's one phone model, vs Note 3,4 Nexus 6, etc.
If you want to look at iOS vs Android, then how many phone are currently running Lollipop vs IOS 8?
Ah yes 2.1 % of devices run the up to date secure Android...vs...IOS 8 52%....
So if it's that good.....why is no one running it...
Plus which android phones offer over wifi backup each night (of more than just photos and contacts to g+) and which devices come with advanced replacement, or shops that you can go and get them fixed or replaced at?
..sound of silence...tumble weeds roll by...
Android tried it for 3 years...it's not as good as people think it is.
Oh Jesus H Christ, are you actually relying on that argument?
Irrespective of what is or isn't the best phone, the known FACTS are that Apple makes much more money than Samsung on phones that are actually brought rather than >cough< 'shipped'.
After today's announcement, I really don't think Apple will be bothered by Android eating "more and more of Apple's lunch". Apple just seems to be getting bigger and bigger platefuls, so I'm not sure what Android is eating - the plates and napkins perhaps? Apple certainly doesn't seem to be going hungry.
Perhaps there are two separate markets developing? The Android one is certainly bigger by volume, but the lunch that is being eaten is that of feature phones. Android at the low end has certainly supplanted that. At the high end, both Android and Apple are growing, and possibly disconnected. Growth in one doesn't necessarily cannibalise the other - the growth can come from the low end feature phones as people decide that actually they want more than something to make phone calls with (do people still do that?)
More useless pixels per cm and more processor clock cycles aren't going to help people post to Facebook and send text message any better.
When phone companies start to make phones that are: able to survive dropping 6 feet on to concrete, able to survive being dropped in a toilet, good sunlight readability, good signal reception in fringe areas, long long battery life- stuff that is actually genuinely beneficial and not just bigger numbers for the sake of selling to dimwits, then I will take notice.
I need more pixels on my screen like I need more wheels on my car,
Depends on how long you're likely to want to keep it.
I'm still using my HTC Desire, the version of android is too old and the CPU struggles with my satnav program. So I'm going to buy a new phone this year. I'd not expect to change it unless it breaks because the tech has reached a point where it's likely to be able to cope with everything I need for the foreseeable. So I'd be prepared to spend more for something I really like and that's going to last.
Bollocks to 4G. I'll pay exactly the sort of price Samsung would like people to pay (£550 or so) if they add one new feature: One week battery life.
All the rest of the stuff that masquerades as progress, like faster processors, pixel upgrades on cameras, 4k screens, customer skins, smart fridge interfaces, 3D holography..... all that shit I don't give a tinker's cuss about. But what I want is a nice smartphone that can't go more than a few hours from a mains connection.
FFS, is it THAT difficult?
Trying to imitate Ivanova from Babylon 5: 8 cores... EIGHT!!! Whoaaa...
What do you really need in a phone FFS? Camera? I wold rather have a compact with decent optics (along the Nikon L330 lines). Games? There are tablets for that. Really, what else may you need an 8 core for? I cannot get the 4 cores in my desktop busy unless I compile something for crying out loud. And 8 cores?
I updated the "home fleet" using Xperia Z series little brother - the SP. 150£ off end-of-line sale, fully Cyanogen capable (as a future safety), unlockable bootloader, Mirrorlink, camera on par with the new iPhone (if not better), Gig of RAM and dual 1.7GHz core crait/adreno, 32+5G of Flash (mmc), LTE, bgan WiFi, NFC, BT 4.0, 4.6 inch 319 DPI screen.
So no new phones coming soon and definitely no Sammy the Plastic Easily Broken Whammy in this house. Every time I have had to deal with Sammy phones, tablets or monitors over the last 6 years it has always ended up in dealing with their repair shop. No thanks.
>If it's £200-£250 I might be interested. Pointless spending more than that on a phone.
It's going to depend on Samsung's strategy. This is a flagship so I would expect it to be overspec'ed and expensive - that's what flagships are - aspirational. Apple won't be that worried because as the first poster noted, ipunters don't buy android. The key point about flagships is to make everyone think - "Aww, I wish I had that," even if they aren't in the market sector who would buy it. With the performance of the S5, Samsung need to go for features, not lock-in / network revenue.
If I were Samsung, I'd do things slightly differently - more like Apple for this. Find a unique, iconic design and take the name off the front, or at least make it very subtle. If it is the Snapdragon 820 the features are impressive. Unlike Apple, I'd turn this thing into a pocket computer. Make it do everything Apple would never do. Put all the connectivity features on it, even if you need to have the thing plugged into power when using it for driving an external screen or using all those cores. Bundle it with a docking station dongle for charging, HDMI/DVI/DP video & USB mouse, maybe Wii controllers too. Put an SD card slot in it. It may have 802.11ac in it, but not everyone has an ac network and even an N network can be too slow for HD video if you have a few walls in the way. Don't use storage capacity to push people to a more expensive phone, that's annoying and makes the brand-feature link hazy, 64G is fine.
Software is usually an issue with phones. Make sure it streams to a wide range of "smart" TVs and to VLC. If you can stream/store *from* elsewhere with VLC, that would be good too ;) They could do some cool stuff with "hand-off." Service announcement with mDNS and bluetooth, ssh to update bookmarks and flick-to-send file functionality, so you don't need a cloud. You also want to have simultaneous wifi hotspot and "infrastructure" mode for easy data transfers.
Sadly, I have a feeling they aren't going to do this.
"Why Samsung is suddenly going to reverse it's inevitable decline into loss-making also ran with one weird old Chinese trick"
Wasn't the waterproofing from last year's model a killer feature (anybody still got their USB bung attached to the phone by the way?) along with 16 MEGACORZ or whatever the processor trick was.
Conversely what happened to all the "ZOMG doesn't anybody know 64-bit just gives more memory" iPhone software gimmickry claims?
I don't get how articles like this are given space. The iPhone 6 has already killed Samsung current mobiles, look at sales data, difficult with Samsung to compare, but they are imploding, what are Apple expected to do later this month is that announce record Sales figures.
Its a rumoured next generation Samsung phone, there are known problems with Bugs in the 820 so it will be graphically challenged using slower Samsung in house designs. 64Bit chip, how much of the android market can run 64Bit. What is it integrated with. Apple has an eco system and that is extending out to payments and health apps. Samsung obviously need do something to disrupt the ongoing positive news about Apple sales figures and how the next great device will challenge this. Will it really be better than an iPhone 6s maybe but on these specs its slower than current offerings.
Its another rushed phone,challenged by being 64Bit in a market that isn't ready, trying to grab some attention, but won't justify the R&D
Some credible competition to iOS/ iPhone would be good, don't see how this could be it, even if it were possible to deliver to the rumour. Does putting Apple in a headline really attract readership? Oh maybe thats the issue, people are still interested in what Apple is doing and more people all the time it seems, based on the sales data.
"I don't get how articles like this are given space."
Because people like you get enticed by the headline, read the article and then write a long comment which in turn is also good for search engines.
Personally I never read or comment on these articles...
Samsung is the one in trouble.
The Qualcomm 810 Snapdragon hasn't yet been released. It is overheating. The 820 won't come out until mid-2016.
This leaves Samsung with its much slower Exynos 8-core chips where only 4 are used at the same time.
The S6 is in trouble. It is so much slower than the Apple iPhone 6 and 6 Plus, it is non-competitive at the high end of the market. And it will be killed by the lower end competitors.
"What is going on with the reg"
Being fattened up for market, that's what is going on.
The world appears to be full of sad-sack corporates who will buy any old web site so long as the eyeball count survives "due diligence", so having built the loyal core of followers around a quality editorial route, you then chase the click-bait audience who are transported here on the Googlebus.
You cannot beat an iPhone if you go spec chasing, the original iPhone even the 3G were awful spec wise compared to the competition , just look at the camera on the Nokia N95 and compare it to the original iPhone. The iPhone's and Apples trump card is the User Experience, even down to when they go wrong, just walk into an Apple store and walk out with a working one.
Samsung left nothing but a sour taste in my mouth when i got an Samsung Galaxy S2, not making that mistake again. iPhone 6S please :)
err, kind of, when one was pondering a droid or iphone (quite a while ago now), key points were:
- fragile (are they cheaper if the screen is pre-cracked when you un-wrap it?)
- you can only install what Apple want on it (good for some folk, less so for me)
- it doesn't [didn't] do tethering (I am fortunately on a REALLY unlimited plan with t-mobile, on a regular basis they probably regret offering that...)
- design not as cohesive
- more 'options'
A sony experia play, followed by a Note II...
Hence even if I did like an iphone, I ain't gonna change now, btw I have spent about £7k of my own money on mac laptops/desktops and s/w over the last twenty years, so I am most defo NOT an Apple hater...
Just my ha'pennies...
>>You cannot beat an iPhone if you go spec chasing, the original iPhone even the 3G were awful spec wise compared to the competition , just look at the camera on the Nokia N95 and compare it to the original iPhone.
That's ONE spec. The original iPhone was a spec beast. On average it had better specs than the N95 which in turn had better specs than almost all other phones on the market. The iPhone had a faster CPU (400MHz ARM11 vs. 330MHz), more memory (128MB vs. 64MB), 3D acceleration (similar to N95 and way ahead of everything else), a screen that was twice the size and had twice the pixels, and BTW it was a capacitive touchscreen with Gorilla Glass, which no other phone had.
It's funny that the original iPhone was CRUSHING the competition with regard to most of its specs but it has a persistent reputation as being under-specced because it didn't have 3G or it only had an average camera or some other dumb thing.
Excuse me, you say the original iPhone was awful spec wise? It was about the biggest phone with the biggest screen that was out at the time, and when the Blackberry guys opened it they were absolutely shocked. Something like "OMG they put a whole f***ing computer in a phone".
Sure, it is awful spec wise compared to anything built in 2015, but it was top dog when it was released in 2007.
To be fair Android is fantastic if you really are an enthusiast or you do not mind faffing about with the thing to keep it on the rails...all day every day it seems.
But no, for most iOS does tick the more relevant boxes. In my experience many people just really could not care less about bleeding edge software features that don't work that brilliantly.
Just look at the furore surrounding Apple maps - and now it's a great, really useful piece of software hence why nobody talks about it anymore.
Wrong, for most things, Apple maps destroys Google-Maps. Apple's siri is also better than Googles rip off (that only considers Google and leaves out all the other services).
Fly over kills street view. Why walk when you can fly? Who has time to walk in virtual reality?
Android is a turgid mess. I had to get another (2013) Nexus 7 for my wife as her earlier model 7 had buggered its battery. Looked up how to move apps and, most importantly, Cany Crush scores from one 7 to another.
No official way of doing it!
No official backup!
Ok for geeks.
'Simples' for Geeks.
Most people have a relative or son/daughter who can do this.
An awful lot of people don't, and that's what Google an Sammy don't grok.
for me, the main innovation has been IP-level waterproofing on phones. Sadly lacking in Apple or Samsung as default.
I do own a waterproof phone (Motorola one) and perfectly happy -why would I want to buy a new phone?
On the OS side of things, I wiped an old HTC Desire with Cyanogenmod and its great. In a year or so, I may put Cyanogenmod on the Moto device. Plenty of development in the community and no need to get onto the bi-yearly or yearly phone upgrades.
>for me, the main innovation has been IP-level waterproofing on phones.
Being a non hiker desert dweller myself who avoids using my phone in the tub that is definitely not a feature I give a shit about. Even if I wash the phone in the laundry (only real water danger) waterproofing wouldn't save it.
>tends to come with dust-proofing, which probably would be useful in the desert.
Yeah if you ever go out into it past the city parks. Useful for me would be keys scratch proof which so far so good with the gorilla glass 3 and pocket lint clean proofing (not there yet). All that other proofing generally makes for not the slimmest phone though.
There are entire states and countries that reside in the dessert. Some of these are pretty affluent places too. If a smart phone has a problem with dust and sand then that's a serious problem.
Again... it's like these people in Silicon Valley don't actually live in California.
Not so long ago Apple were trying to convince the world that 264ppi* was as good as your retina could make out.
That was obviously nonsense, however somewhere between 300-350ppi is probably enough to make it impossible to make out individual pixels (unless you press your nose to the screen perhaps).
However just south of 600ppi seems like drastic overkill purely for chasing bullet points on a spec sheet. More pixels to process just means more drain on GPU resource.
* - original pixel density of the "retina" ipads
>264ppi* was as good as your retina could make out.
Some optical astronomer nerd can give you more details but it depends on the size of the screen, your distance from it and the viewing angle from what I understand. 264 would be more than enough I think on say a 24" lcd monitor.
Numbers seem to vary...the highest number I've seen claimed is this here, that claims the (perfect vision, good lighting etc.) human eye can discern anything bigger than 0.3 arc-minute (that's 0.005 of a degree if my maths are working); which would work out at 530ppi for a screen held 20 inches away from the eye.
Now that was for prints, so it's entirely possible that the number can be higher for screens; which emit light, so the points should be easier to detect.
I was looking at Samsung, nice devices, but with one niggly little design oversight that drove me crazy while I used it. The back button is on the right side of the device, which is fine for languages that read right to left, but my native toung reads from left to right, and when I turn back a page I turn back from the left side. It doesn't seem like much, but it is an oversight that keeps me from buying one of their otherwise lovely devices.
Good job sammy. Too bad you didn't have this ready when the iPhone 6 launched and when I was in the market for a phone. The iPhone 6 is busting records because seldom at launch has Sammy's lineup looked more pathetic in comparison. Thankfully the market will swing and hopefully the players keep each other innovating and competing.
So the new Samsung S6 is smoking' Apple.
Unfortunately for BGR, that's "smoking' " in a less-than-good way. I guess that BGR didn't take time to read the reports that the Snapdragon was way-too-hot and that Sam had settled on a less-capable-but-cooler substitute.
Ahh, facts. Such pesky things.
And let me tell you, it's fantastic! Everything you'd ever want in a phone and then some. The real kazoo! For some reason by the end of the dream it had turned into a bouncing blue rabbit that kept hassling me for carrot soup, and I woke up screaming, naked, on a train going to Slough, but before that part and the somewhat embarrassing court appearance, the iPhone 8 completely trounced whatever it is that Samsung may or may not release at some point whenever.
(c) 2015 BGR.com
"Wireless charging is great (wake up Apple) so it’s no surprise to find it here, but it is slow."
Apple (or any other sensible company) won't "wake up" to a sub-standard technology. Wireless charging has always been much slower than direct charging.
You either want to be a "cool kid" and have slow wireless charging, or you want to get your mobile device charged QUICKLY by simply plugging it directly into a charging cable (rather than resting your device on a platform connected to a charging cable).
It doesn't take a genius to realize which is the best option for people who don't want to wait longer than necessary to get their device charged!
What is this shit about slow wireless charging?
Mine is about 80 - 85% of wire-charging.
Most people charge overnight - at least if their phone is not garbage or used for Sat Nav all day, in which case it is connected to their car probably (possibly wirelessly for those trips to the toilet and take-away).
You are also forgetting the fact that wireless charging allows you to top-up when you just wouldn't otherwise: While having breakfast (phone is fairly full but 100 is better than 95); At the evening mean etc. In the Shower.
If you work at a desk, you can pop it on the pad and just pick the thing up and go when you need to. I see people using wires to charge and they just leave their phone on the table when they go to the toilet or even a meeting - much to the annoyance of people who have to listen to the thing ringing and vibrating and pinging all over the place.
The point is that speed of charging is irrelevant and more to the point, you can still plug it in if you are desperate (this has not happened to me in three years). I use a cable to charge when I use a backup charging block for long days out using sat nav or such - but I still wish I could justify the wireless Nokia pad instead, likewise in the car. I just need either too little.
The majority of the specs [if true] meet or exceed what the iPhone 6+ has.
If you look at recent Apple adds on the iPhone, they seem to be promoting the "health" features - something that was in the S5 already - and a bigger phone - something that the S4 and S5 had already. Yes they promoted a thinner phone but after you add a case/cover to protect it [from bending!] it isn't as thin as it was.
The iPhone 6 series also have been hit with numerous OS bugs and issues such as upgrades, warmth, Wi-Fi issues, etc. [Let's not forget the U2 album issue!]
>>The majority of the specs [if true] meet or exceed what the iPhone 6+ has.
Not so sure about that.
1) Processor speed. Let's see some benchmarks. The iPhone 6 is already 70% faster than the Galaxy S5, so if the new Galaxy S6 is 50% faster than the S5 then it's only partway to matching the iPhone 6.
2) Screen. The Samsung undoubtedly has more pixels but the iPhone's pixel density is arguably already more than high enough. So let's discuss other characteristics of the screen, e.g., color accuracy. iPhones have extremely good color accuracy whereas Samsung's AMOLED screens have horrible accuracy. So which do you prefer, more pixels that are so small you can't even see them, or accurate colors?
3) Camera. Yes, the Samsung has more megapixels, that's been true for a while. But in most head-to-head photo comparisons, the iPhone's camera wins. There's a million more things to a camera than how many megapixels it has.
I don't see Samsung as the clear winner in any of these spec races. I mean, if your knowledge of screens and cameras and so forth is so basic that you can only compare DPI and megapixels, then yeah. But if you have any deeper understanding of these things, then Apple isn't a bad choice.
I'm sitting here, posting my usual shite, with my iPad (still can't bring myself to call it a 'fondleslab') tethered to its charger. It was plugged in to charge at around half-8 this morning (coz dipshit here forgot to plug it in before she crashed out - which was around 4am), and it's averaging around 4-5% an HOUR, which means, split the difference, and it'll be fully charged by half-6, or 22.5hrs from the start (little less, as it wasn't *completely* dead, think it had summat like 3% left).
Now, I don't know what wattage brick is supplied with phablets (WTF comes up with these portmanteaux…? I refuse to use 'em!), but I'd reckon that a 10W is barely powerful enough to charge an iPhone 6(+), never mind an Air 2 (which is what this is). There's a replacement in the online Apple Store, but it's only 12W, so it seems a complete waste of £20/£25 or whatever it is.
Read somewhere that MS's next Surface range will use photon charging; sounds incredibly sexy, but how's it gonna be implemented - will the 'lid' double as a solar panel…? Will there be some kind of a backup battery for days when it's, well, well Britain…?
What about devices that constantly recharge from the energy expended in use…? There'd have to be some kind of a backup system, naturally, but if you're a fairly fast typist (thinking more of tablets, rather than phones, here) it'd keep it ticking over until it's convenient for it to be attached to a power source (or when you're near a convenient wireless charging station).
I'm all for wireless charging a) coz I reckon it'd be a feck sight faster than the almost -24hrs it takes this thing to charge and b) I'd be released from the paltry 4' cable Apple sees fit to supply (and they break continually - or is that just me…? I went through dozens when I had my Touch. No WONDER Apple doesn't want to introduce wireless charging - it's making far too much in replacement tethers!)
Finally, there are ma,y reasons I've never gone 'Droid, compatibility, apps, fear of the unknown, the fact that the bot appears to be Neo-Nazi (seriously. In all the pics I've seen of it, it appears to be pulling a Nazi salute).
ARGH! In the half-hour or so it's taken to type this, the meter has advanced by 1%. Only get around 3hrs out of a full charge, too (and that's if everything that can be switched off, is and the screen is dimmed to the point where it's barely discernible) but that was a bug introduced in 8.1. Good job I don't want to leave the house with the fecking thing, innit…?!
> Runs fine dont see the need to update to a newer model as the big corps seems to have run out of ideas.
Quite. Any of the reasons I would upgrade come down to "bigger and better" rather than "new and innovative". I'm mostly still waiting for an Android device to come along and displace my fat Archos.
It's ever so slowly getting there...
Honestly, what is up with this ridiculous "Lets see how many pixels we can squeeze into the screen" wankery? The current generation of devices *already* has pixels so small that you can't tell them apart without a magnifying lens.
We don't need more pixels. We need a fecking battery that lasts longer than a day per charge.
Unless you have shares in Apple or Samsung, it really comes down to what you use it for. The most valuable things my phone does for me are
- provides a pathway for the second factor in two factor identification
- goes "beep" when someone tries to chat with me on Google+ (which I then respond to on my PC)
- lets me set a timer when I'm cooking something
- gives me turn by turn driving directions
- gives me the weather forecast
- lets me check the latest news at a glance
I use it as a phone less than once a month.
In my case I happen to have a Samsung Galaxy Nexus, although just about every other Android phone would provide the same services. I have no compelling reason to buy a new one.
These devices, which someday might not even be referred to as phone have got great cameras, can run games, pay my bills, even get me a date. However, I can rarely get through a call without a signal loss or noise. When are they going to improve the phone function?
Give me a phone that keeps a signal and doesn't have me searching for a charging station, then I'll be impressed!
The best advantage of Android is that Samsung, HTC, and even Sony do versions of their Android phones that take dual-SIMs and even can keep them both active at once, so you essentially have a phone for personal use, and another line for business, without having to carry and charge two phones. I've had an HTC One with dual-SIMs, and now a Samsung S5 Duos with two SIMs, and as much as I admire Apple (typing this on my MBP Retina) I cannot go back to a single SIM, or having to carry two phones.
The pity is that the US and UK carriers will not OFFER the dual-SIM versions, so to get them you have to either order on-line from Chinese websites, or travel through Dubai's airport and pick one up on your way through. I've done both, and both worked perfectly here in the UK. If work makes you have a separate line it's very easy to get used to the convenience.
I'd quite like a Samsung that didn't a) burn out when the major Android version changes b) burn out when the ambient temp goes over 20 C c) grip the SIM properly when the ambient temps drops below 15 C.
Anyway, I shall buy an S6 just to annoy my daughter, who's locked into her S5 until next year.
Since Steve Jobs passed away, Apple has been rudderless. Oh, they were on a straight enough course that it's taken a while for the drift to set in, but they keep getting further from their core values. Do you think iOS8.xx would have been released with as many bugs or need as frequent updates if Mr. Jobs was still alive? And the iPhone6 is shiny enough, but it's awfully fragile compared to previous models, and is only just managed to come up to the level of innovation that the S5 has, and only mostly. Android OS may be less secure, but it is arguably a LOT more flexible and user friendly, at least once you get to know it. And it (at least recent versions) is really only less secure because of the "Play Store" and its apps not being vetted as well as on Apple's ecosystem and not inherent problems with it--at least no more than iOS.
With the exception of Apple being a little more secure with their 'walled garden' for apps, the S5 was already an iPhone killer. The S6 if released will just be double-tapping the survivors. The S5 has more features, and is faster. I will admit the the styling leaves a bit to be desired--and I've always hated the 50s kitchen table styled border around the S5.
Anyone that thinks that "Apple just works" has never had to support hundreds of these devices.