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The European Space Agency has administered the last rites to its Venus Express probe, saying that the spacecraft is now out of control and has gone "gently into the night." "The available information provides evidence of the spacecraft losing attitude control most likely due to thrust problems during the raising maneuvers," …

  1. Captain DaFt

    Somehow, this comic seems apropos:

    http://techfox.comicgenesis.com/d/20141124.html

    RIP little probe.

  2. heyrick Silver badge
    Coat

    <description of atmosphere> - Gaviscon, anybody?

  3. Mage Silver badge
    Mushroom

    Title Image TOO BIG

    Main image too big!

    Stop trying to copy the BBC's Rubbish site.

  4. earl grey
    Pint

    it was good while it lasted

    And that was a darn sight longer than planned. well done, boffins!

  5. Lars Silver badge
    Boffin

    "Venus had slowed down 6.5 minutes in the last 16 years – which makes our leap year look like a very minor affair". C'mon ElReg this is not Fox News.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      > "Venus had slowed down 6.5 minutes in the last 16 years – which makes our leap year look like a very minor affair". C'mon ElReg this is not Fox News.

      Agreed - but I don't even understand the original comment. Earth has leap years because the period of its orbit is not exactly divisible by an integer number of days, not because it is slowing down.

      And even if the author got the wrong end of the stick, one day every 4 years is far larger than 6.5 minutes in 16 years.

      1. Charles 9

        Probably confusing the leap year with the leap second, which is applied to UTC (whose second is not based on rotation) to re-synchronize it with GMT (which is a solar time). Leap seconds are because the earth's rotation is slowing down oh so slowly and this is our way to keep our reckonings stable for the time being.

        IOW, I don't think a leap second is going to help correct a Venusian reckoning that's off by that much.

        1. Sir Sham Cad

          6.5 minutes

          Given that the Venus Express was measuring for just 9 out of those 16 years, could some of the discrepancy be down to inaccuracies in the earlier missions' equipment? Or is this extrapolating backwards from just the measurements from VE?

          The article reads as if it's the former, in which case my sceptical hat needs a run-out.

  6. Mark Exclamation

    "It seems likely, therefore, that Venus Express exhausted its remaining propellant about half way through the planned maneuvers last month." - did they forget to install a fuel gauge?

    1. Charles 9

      1. it'd be a bit hard to read from so far away (JOKE!).

      2. Most fuel gauges get vague at low fuel levels because the means of measurement can only go so low before it bottoms out (SERIOUS). Consider your car's fuel gauge.

    2. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

      No artificial gravity

      The fuel isn't being pulled to the bottom of the tank. There is some spin to point the instruments at Venus, and some rotation to point the comms at Earth, but surface tension is stronger. Until the engine fires, the fuel is probably in a blob somewhere inconvenient for starting the engine. Even when the engine is firing, the fuel sloshes about in a determined effort to avoid being measured.

      The 'fuel gauge' works by firing the engine and measuring how much the mass of the fuel reduces the acceleration of the spacecraft. As the spacecraft has been repeated tearing through the top of a corrosive atmosphere it is surprising that any fuel was still inside the tank.

  7. YARR
    Coat

    Crazy ideas...

    Maybe the rotation is so slow that there is a significant differential between the rotation speed of the core and the surface, with layers of the upper mantle moving like an atmosphere (due to the differential and not just heat convection)? Then the surface rotation speed could change like the average windspeed in the upper atmosphere. Patterns or eddys in the motion could follow a cycle that speeds or slows the surface at regular intervals.

    Or perhaps the absence of a moon means that the gravitational bulging due to the Sun is not countered, and results in greater friction and slowing of the planet's rotation relative to other planets?

    Or the lack of a moon's disruption to the gravitational field allows small currents in the mantle to grow uninterrupted resulting in the effect I first mentioned?

    Or could the slowdown be a countdown to another resurfacing event?

    1. Neil Barnes Silver badge

      Re: Crazy ideas...

      I think you'd have to assume that it's tidal locking that's happening; that's a bloody great sun not all that far away and there's nothing else around that could put the braking energy into the system.

    2. hplasm
      Happy

      Re: Crazy ideas...

      "Or could the slowdown be a countdown to another resurfacing event?"

      Easy to check - look for cones...

  8. tokyo-octopus

    So the uncaptioned main image wasting space and bandwidth... is it the probe? An artist's impression of the probe? A random stock photo of a space probe?

    1. D 13

      It might be time for you to upgrade that 14.4 k modem.

    2. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

      Can't you tell it is a real photo?

      I borrowed the space shuttle Atlantis from the visitor complex at Cape Kennedy and deployed an orbital sun screen to darken Venus express. That is why the stars and the space ship are visible in the same photo. Ivan borrowed the Бура́н prototype from the Technik Museum. He followed behind Venus Express with a big lamp so the back of the communications dish is not completely black.

  9. Kharkov
    Pint

    And will the Venusians complain?

    We're dropping a big chunk of metal on them, after all...

    More seriously, kudos to ESA. They designed it so well that it lasted a lot longer than the original mission length and it continued to tell us about Venus. Here's hoping they send another one to continue the good work, at higher resolutions and for even longer and I'd say the ESA team has earned a day off, with beer.

    On a more speculative note, wouldn't it be better to send a very radiation-hardened long-lifespan high-orbiting satellite to Venus whose only job would be to relay signals from the various (I can dream) orbiters & landers doing Venus studies. Such a satellite would mean that the others wouldn't have to worry about sending their data themselves, just a short, and hopefully high-bandwidth, signal to the relay and then a very secure, very high-bandwidth signal back to Earth. The laser signalling technology they've started testing for high-bandwidth satellite communications would be good for this...

  10. Winkypop Silver badge
    Mushroom

    RE: And will the Venusians complain?

    Probably not.

    With extreme heat, strong winds + true acid rain, the crash landing of the odd spacecraft would probably make a welcome change.

    1. Jos
      Coat

      Re: RE: And will the Venusians complain?

      They already did, in 2008:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smwd8b0ycBg

      Sorry. Almost weekend. And Xmas.

    2. Swarthy
      Flame

      Re: RE: And will the Venusians complain?

      With extreme heat, strong winds + true acid rain, will chunk of metal actually make it all the way down?

  11. imanidiot Silver badge
    Pint

    Good bye venus express

    Rest in Pieces

  12. Faux Science Slayer

    Carbon Dioxide is NOT a climate driver on Venus or on Earth....

    No gas molecule can capture, store or amplify Electromagnetic Energy, see

    "Thunderbolts of the Gods" at the Electric Universe website

    youtube.com/watch?v=5AUA7XS0TvA

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Carbon Dioxide is NOT a climate driver on Venus or on Earth....

      Then explain how a mirage works. Light is also electromagnetic energy, so if a layer of matter under specific conditions can reflect light, why not infrared? What about thermal inversion zones like around Los Angeles?

  13. Annihilator
    Coat

    Quagmire

    " ESA engineers decided to risk a deeper insertion."

    Giggiddy

    1. Kharkov
      Thumb Up

      Re: Quagmire

      Can we get a new icon for 'Giggiddy'?

      And an upvote, sir, for the inspiration.

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