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IBM's Indian research lab has come up with a nice idea: using old laptop batteries too feeble to power a ThinkPad as off-grid power sources. In a paper [PDF] titled “UrJar: A Lighting Solution using Discarded Laptop Batteries”, IBM and Radio Studio India boffins explain that “Forty percent of the world’s population, including …

  1. Richard Ball

    smoke

    Hope the new systems will come with a fire extinguisher. Old vehicle batteries are more given to this kind of duty.

    1. returnmyjedi

      Re: smoke

      Old Sony built laptop ones weren't averse to a spot of conflagration.

  2. Ru'

    Fire = light, so no worries ;)

    Seriously, though, old vehicle batteries are likely to be lead-acid and so very easy to recycle.

  3. A Non e-mouse Silver badge

    Nice idea for reuse, but won't there be problems with different batteries having different connectors, voltages, etc?

    1. Richard Jones 1
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      Re Nice Idea but

      Crockclips and pliers?

    2. Callam McMillan

      If the laptop batteries I have disassembled are anything to go by (I'm not one for following the instructions not to disassemble them) then once you remove the casing, you are left with a series of AA type cells wired in series to a small controller board.

      From what I can tell, what they're really doing is finding a reliable source of good-enough Li-ion cells, rather than reusing laptop batteries wholesale (I saw a picture of this the other day on another news site).

      1. Muppetry

        I think that style of internal is either NiCd or NiMH. Lithium batteries are typically a plastic coated block of material somewhat harder than plasticine.

        1. Gene Cash Silver badge

          Nope, Lithium batteries actually use the AA (and C) form factor too now.

        2. ilmari

          Liithium-Ion polymer batteries are in the form of a soft pouch, often surrounded by a hard case for extra protection, though devices with non-removable batteries use the device casing itself for that.

          "Regular" Lithium-Ion batteries are cylindrical metal cans, where instead of the polymer keeping the components pushed against eachother, the metal container exerts mechanical pressure on its contents.

          Cylindrical cells are the most common type used for laptops, with the 18650 size being the most common. (18mm by 65mm). Yiur typical laptop battery has somewhere between 2-9 of these cells, in various parallell and series arrangements. A battery management, protection, and sometimes, "tell laptop this is genuine expensive battery"-chip complete the battery pack, which is then encased in hard plastic.

          When a laptop battery fails, it's usually because one set cells in series arrangement has died. The entire pack is limited by its weakest participant. I recently disassembled a dead 6 cell battery. It was arranged as 2P3S, that is, 2 cells in parallell, 3 of these pairs in series. 1 pair was totally dead, had leaked, and its mechanical protection had severed its internal connections. Must've been running hot! Anither pair had so-so performance, and one pair had excellent performance.

          Now, laptop battery recycling already takes place in China. Enterpresing people obtain dead laptop batteries, crack them open to harvest the cells that still function a little bit, and reuse them to make "new" laptop batteries. Thesd are sold on ebay, at significantly lower price compared to official genuine packs. The plastic casing, labels and holograms cost cents to make, and are not reused.

          The cells nit reused for laptop packs, are given a new shrinkwrap, a fantasy capacity label, sometimes a circuit board is added, and then sold on. There's a significant market with e-cig users and fancy flashlight users, for cylindrical li-ion cells. It's remarkable that such a market exists, considering that no reputable manufacturer willingly or knowingly sell "bare" li-ion cells, thry always require the cells to be either built into a device, or buolt into a battery pack, and measures in place to prevent charging by anything except the designated charger. As such, one can consider all "lose" cells for sale a bit dubious.

          1. Archaon

            "There's a significant market with e-cig users and fancy flashlight users, for cylindrical li-ion cells. It's remarkable that such a market exists, considering that no reputable manufacturer willingly or knowingly sell "bare" li-ion cells, thry always require the cells to be either built into a device, or buolt into a battery pack, and measures in place to prevent charging by anything except the designated charger. As such, one can consider all "lose" cells for sale a bit dubious."

            Torches and ecigs generally use the 18x50 batteries - which you mentioned - and they are available from many sources. Some of the more powerful types can use a higher voltage/capacity polymer type as you also described, which while less common are also readily available. They are not always built into devices or larger sealed battery packs.

            Of course dodgy recycling happens - and that is one of the reasons why phone fires and exploding ecigs* are in the news - but these batteries are readily available for many reputable manufacturers such as Panasonic, Samsung, LG and Sony.

            * Ecig failures are often down to user twatness as well, but a dodgy battery doesn't help.

  4. Lusty

    recycling at the end

    My only worry would be how those people would then dispose of the batteries when they properly die. These batteries may cost more to recycle, and I agree with the reuse before recycle principal, but better to recycle them now than bury them after reuse. The recycling process works fine for these batteries, and many are reused as part of renewable energy projects anyway. It's nice to help out third world countries but realistically shipping the batteries half way around the world probably wouldn't be much more efficient than recycling them, especially given the sludge that container ships burn.

  5. drunk.smile

    People of the West!

    Get rid of your eWaste guilt free by sending it to slums in India for reuse!

    I'm sure I'm not the only one who is reading this and thinking it's a potential ecological disaster?

  6. an it guy

    I presume they check them

    mine tend to be fairly worn out before I send them off to the recycling heaven. not sure they'd provide much in the way of power at that point

  7. Mage Silver badge
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    Nice Idea?

    Only if you want to treat the developing world to our rubbish. it's a better Idea to give them a sustainable power source instead of a continuous stream of dangerous scrap.

    Recycle them.

  8. Javapapa

    Flashback memory

    We used tired batteries from our tactical radio in Vietnam to read at night in our basecamp after the noisy diesel generators shutdown.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Flashback memory

      upvoted for a "back in 'Nam story" :)

  9. Oldfogey

    Lithium?

    Blimey, I think all my laptops run on NiCads!

    LED bulbs will be a big help in stretching the power.

    1. ilmari

      Re: Lithium?

      Unless your laptop has a 386 or 486 in it, it's almost certainly Li-Ion. The only recent exception to this is OLPC, which had several different options.

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