Jest throw one in the basket with yer bullets and jerky.
Where's the Cletus icon?
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I bought an HP Stream 7 Win 8.1 tablet for about $100 Cdn. The audio on the headphone socket was full of buzzing noise, as if somebody made a design error in the audio circuits. After several GB of updates and a few days use, the wifi became unreliable. Sent it back for a refund.
Tried again. With the 2nd example, the audio on the headphone socket was full of buzzing noise, as if somebody made a design error in the audio circuits. Maybe interference of some sort. Very annoying.
So we have a tablet that is essentially unusable with headphones.
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This is where Apple has one thing right. They *never* let their computer OS run on under powered crud hardware like that.
It always frustrates me when I see computers sold in high street stores like Walmart or PC World which are just crud. Junk. Put into a box to look like a computer, but sold as such trivial prices it is clearly trash inside. Scrapped to the bone. And, of course, the average home user doesn't know the difference. They listen to the salesman and thinks this cheap pile of junk is what the Microsoft OS is about.
So - what kind of bundled crudware is on this tablet? Is it like the same cheapo crud computers that come with the same crudware bundle that the top end machines have? So it just kills the poor device before it even boots up.
I can just see this being sold in PC World along with a copy of Norton...
> I can just see this being sold in PC World along with a copy of Norton...
More likely McAffee ... that's the bloatware now as Norton's been pretty good since they revamped it in 2009 (I used to use AVG till after reading a positive review of Norton's reimplementation in 2009 I tried it and it was so much better)
@ Mark Allen
This is where Apple has one thing right. They *never* let their computer OS run on under powered crud hardware like that."
I think you are conveniently forgetting the original iPad. Mine is fine if you only want to use iPlayer or Spotify. Completely useless these days for web browsing.
There are a slew of 7 and 8 inch Win Tabs coming with exactly the same specs (and about the same price). HP and Toshiba, off the top of my head, have similar offerings.
The hidden gotcha in this new generation is the memory bus of the processor which is only 32 bit and has a paltry 5.3 GB/s throughput (compare to 25.6 GB/s on an Intel Core processor). I looked at several of these recently and opted instead for a last generation tablet just to get a better memory bus. Still crap, but it gets the basics done 'til I can replace my dead laptop.
So is Win8.1 replacing Android on all those crappy underpowered tablets you see around (and in my case inevitably have to tell a relative, "no I can't "fix it", it's a piece of crap, stop buying them!") because Microsoft are so desperate to shift units it's cheaper to pay for Windows than pay the Microsoft tax on Android (I think this was originally a question).
If they didn't include a huge bezel around the display, this device could actually have lots of use when you install Linux. I mean it's easily powerful enough to ssh into your server and the resolution is not bad. 16 gigabytes is plenty of space for an operating system.
The more pressing question is, if it is crap hardware. This usually cannot be judged by the specifications noted there. The quality of the hardware mostly depends on build quality. How well is it designed. How well can it take some beating. The question is, is it made to last.
If the build quality is decent and you install something more sane than Windows 8.1, it might be a rather decent small laptop, much more usable than any Android or iOS device, but also much more portable than a normal size 13" laptop.
"It's $99 at the retail level. You guess how hardy it is."
Hmm, plastic and good design are rather cheap. That's why we do have 2000 Euro laptops which break apart if you look at them, and laptops like the Elitegroup G320 (or something) which, though extremely cheap for that time, could take some serious beating.
Quality is no longer correlated to price.
"The quality of the hardware mostly depends on build quality."
Walmart is hardly the pinnacle of craftsmanship nor quality,,, well... anything.... About all I see this good for is either an expensive clock that can be duct taped to the wall or a lower-mid range digital picture frame, that might be able to shuffle 3 or 4 pictures, before getting bogged down.
i hate windows - but wtf… it's 60 quid.
for 60 quid, you get a tablet with an HD screen 16gb of storage and a free 16gb sdcard.
wtf is your problem ?
If you have more than 60 quid, get something else. If you don't - then surely this is a great 'hudl equivalent' for the great unwashed of the USA.
I really don't get the attitude ??
we don't all earn 100k a year. Walmart knows it's market.
Yeah, I got a Toshiba Win8 tablet as a no-charge replacement from BestBuy when I turned in my borked Kindle a few weeks back. It's just got 1 GB ram and the Atom processor, but works real nice. Not slow at all, unless I try to open too much stuff at once. But when you consider most iOS and Android tablets don't really multi-process at all, it's a pretty sweet little deal probably for $99. I've been using it quite a bit.
Well, this Toshiba one is good, even with the 1GB ram and the Atom processor. "Encore 2" it's called. I'm running MS Office, Libre Office, Adobe Acrobat Pro, Chrome, MS Note, all kinds of video and audio programs - no problem at all. Haven't tried any games or video editing, but I'm not much of a gamer or movie maker, One thing I'm surprised to find is that it has GPS. It's certainly a lot more useful than my old Kindle or my wife's iPad. At least it has real programs and a desktop. Doesn't seem any slower than an iPad or Kindle for anything I've tried - really it's about as fast as my laptop when it comes to opening programs and web pages and so forth.
I think the point has been missed. MS' problem is that it has lost mind-share in terms of being the only option. They are buying the bottom of the market so that "windows is everywhere." It doesn't really matter that its rubbish, they just need a presence and to be seen to there. Even if no-one buys that particular tablet, being seen in the shops has value for MS. I'd be surprised if there weren't "co-marketing funds" in play.
Its a bit like people who start out buying a cheap old ford car and as they get older and richer they move up the range. They are unlikely to switch to another brand.
Yes, having a Windows presence.
But I think more significantly making their cloud offering more widely present; Win8 as loss leader dumb client into the MS fog - performance with regard to other apps is barely relevant as long as media, the browser and Office365 work peachy.
If you can replace the Win 8 OS with something more suited for the specs, sure, you're right.
But unfortunately, that's a pretty big 'if'. The odds are that Microsoft will insist that the hardware with the "free" Windows is locked down like TiVo ended up -- no unauthorized (un-signed) OS allowed.
for 60 quid, you get a tablet with an HD screen 16gb of storage and a free 16gb sdcard.
wtf is your problem ?
Better cheap tablets are available for the same or less?
Someone above mentioned the Hisense Sero 7. You can get those for $40-$100 from Amazon, depending on who's selling what at the moment, and whether you'll take a used one. They have 4GB or 8GB RAM, and are otherwise better-spec'd than this crapfest.
Yes, the alternatives are generally Android rather than Windows. Many apparently see that as a plus. (It'd be my preference, if I were interested in tablets. And not having Office is a bonus in my book.)
You spent 60 quid. Ok, it's yours to do whatever you wish.
But you also contributed to the growing pile of electronic waste on Earth.
I believe this all will be sorted when you also need to pay reasonable amount to dispose of this junk properly. Then, people will stop the "but it's only 60 quid junk".
Better spend that 60 quid on food, as your body will properly process that into non-polluting waste :)
I was just thinking about the XP laptop massacre, back when Walmart sold a bunch of way under powered laptops (crap cpu and maybe 512 Mb RAM) and there were lawsuits all over the place. Yeah, the people got their product cheap, and they should have got what they payed for, but the plaintiff's had a very sympathetic jury... You'd figure that Walmart would have learned.
>>There have been instances recently where a warranty was voided because the purchaser installed Linux.
Then *removing* Linux before returning it is probably a smart idea.
Stuffing anything onto the media that resembles the original Win thing would probably help....
But if in doubt, saying something along the lines of " Musta gotta virus then, innit?"
...should hopefully cover most warranty avoidance issues.
Even better, "It stopped working!"
Third world hardware for a third world nation.
I wonder if it's build quality is to shitty to bother loading Linux for use as a e-reader. It would suck to bother doing that with it and have it die in a few months of use. That thing could be just a huge waist of time and money.
Er, their home one for starters. (the USofA)
Buy a bottle of JD in one state and carry it unopened in the back of your car into another and you could be charged with a Felony (Interstate Liquor Transportation).
Where even 60yr olds get carded when trying to buy beers(and get refused because you don't have a local driving license)
I know it's pointless trying to explain this to you, but you don't appear to know what third world means.
First World = The US, Western Europe and its allies
Second World = The Communist block
Third World = Everyone else
Yes, the last term has come to be used to describe developing nations, but that doesn't make it correct.
Most laws in the US are a result of internal corruption (aka "lobbying"), not its geopolitical stance.
Nuke&Pave it, reimage it with ChromeOS, and turn it into an inexpensive ChromeBook.
It's got an SD card slot for local storage, WiFi for communication, and a decent enough screen for that purpose, which leaves battery life as the last stumbling block.
If it would make a good ChromeBook, then I'd buy them in bulk, Nuke&Pave them, and donate them to a local school for use with the kids, or the library for their patrons, or the Senior Home for the old folks to have a "computer" (for various definitions of "Computer") upon which to surf, email, and read books.
If the experience is truly awful - if it takes more than 2 seconds to wake up; if it is hopeless at web surfing, if you can't watch TV on it -- then this fscked them royally. But if they get those three things right -- and for this market, they may not need much else-- it will turn out to be a very smart move.
Say what you like about Walmart, they know how to pile high and sell cheap. So someone at MS clearly realized that if they could get walmart to sell a bazillion of these units, that would seed the market with a ton of Win8.1 users. "Look!", they say to Gartner, "Windows 8.1 shipped 95 million units!" - Gartner generally lacking the sophistication to tell whether it's Win8.1 on a laptop used as the primary device, Win8.1 on a departure board in an airport, on Win8.1 on a cheap tablet in Arkansas that's only ever used for watching TV. Based on those numbers, this could be a smart move by MS.
It runs Windows 8.1 pretty nicely. Intel did a decent enough job with Bay Trail. That said, I'm not sure I'd want to be running Windows 8.1 on anything less than a Bay Trail. I'm guessing the subject of this article is running on the Celeron Intel are currently peddling?
Apart from the fact that I'd have to go into Walmart (not done that since I arrived in the US last year), it would almost be tempting to see if it will run Linux. One of those with a bit of plastic welded to the back and a couple of cheap speakers might make a nice Squeezeplayer platform, a bit like the O2 Joggler (which I still have and use).
Not sure why you got down-voted. I guess suggesting it may have some utility isn't negative enough.
At £60 I'd be more than tempted, whether it can be down-graded to a speedier Windows version or booted to some other OS. My Asus EEE PC running XP was also under-powered but works well enough for what I ask of it. Likewise my O2 Jogglers.
Most of the £60 tablets I have seen offer pretty poor performance. It was this not being able to master HD DVDs in real time and otehr nonsense which sunk NetBooks.
Am not sure what possessed Intel to make a 64 bit CPU that only supports 1 GB of RAM in 2014 but whatever. A Linux tablet for $100 with these specs would not be too bad.
I would still feel bad about swelling the Windows sales figures. But at least Microsoft isn't getting any unearned profit
Thing is, we put 2013 Nexus 7s under the tree for the whole family last year. Dealing with these crappy screens might consign even a Linux tablet like this to the hobby projects bench now. Robotics applications might be interesting, or balloons. Multipoint cameras and the like. It's Raspberry Pi for folks who prefer a more complete kit.
...buy a refurbished 16GB Fire HD from Amazon-> Root, Load CyanogenMod's Android 4.4.4 ROM, Google services package, and have a much more capable tablet. Have 4 of them around the house, kids love them (have a family clan in Clash of Clans lol). Probably find them cheaper on Craigslist.
I believe its a dual core Atom (or hyperthreaded) so the main annoyance is the lack of memory.
Now one product that would sell well would be a hybrid Flash/RAM micro/SD card, that had say 4GB of DDR3/1333 and a controller on it as well as the 64GB Flash intended for just this sort of application.
Preloaded with Chrome or Android, even an old clunker would then be useful again.
One up for recycling as old netbooks wouldn't then need to be trashed.
So we have Intel based hardware which ships with a fully functional multi-tasking operating system which in turn can be replaced by other fully functional multi-tasking operating systems. All for under $100.
ARM and Google should be crapping themselves big time.
Instead all I am seeing here (apart from the occasional rational post which seems to be mainly ignored) is loads of W8.1 hate mail from people who haven't even seen the product.
At sub-£100 I would be seriously tempted.
Why would having "Intel" and "Microsoft" labels be anything positive?
So, you would buy any piece of crap for under £100? Why? There are certainly better uses for money.
Think about the environment -- you will be buying the next piece of electronic junk and encouraging those idiots to produce more!
The problem with most embedded controllers (e.g., Rasberry PI, beaglebone ...) is finding a good inexpensive user interface device. A good solution is to run a web server on your embedded system and use a web browser running on a device with a touch screen. Buy this device and run Win*.1 or the OS of your choice and use it to run the browser or a custom UI app, and the problem is solved. For example, use multiple of these to replace the expensive UIs in a home automation system. The device is not itself a good embedded controller because it does not have the right physical interfaces.
This approach is also good because you can allow control from any smart phone or computer in your house: the $99 computers are then mounted in fixed locations on the wall just so you don't have to fumble around with your phone to turn on the lights or whatever.
Great idea... but (there is always but, with junk :)
You can't expect this thing to survive even half the lifetime of a decent home automation UI.
These things would run for far more time on batteries than this one. You will need to wire it to mains power and who knows if it's charging system is designed or even safe to run unattended all the time.
But, for prototyping it would be ok. Just like any of your existing hand held devices...
So about the only reason you would buy this is if it's your first handheld device, or.. you hate environment.
For a supposedly intelligent audience, reg commenters don't seem to remember that people were still glad to get 1GB of memory only a few short years ago, and tablets made do perfectly well with 512MB. It's no speed demon, but it's obviously not meant to be a desktop publishing platform; it'll play simple games designed for it, write documents, and do other tablet-y things. Stick to Metro browsers and apps and memory pressure won't be a problem, only desktop apps will seriously suffer from paging. Sorry it enrages you guys that something like this exists and caters to people who want to stretch their budget.
And given that it's expandable and they give you another 16GB card free, this is really a 32GB tablet. 16GB would be a joke indeed (but at least not a $700 joke, like the lowest-end iPhone 6 and iPad Air 2).
So at 99 bucks it is half the price of an iPod touch? And as it is standard windows 8.1, I am going to assume it will run itunes. Please correct me if I am wrong. So, what next for apple's entry level iOS device? What if the next step is a 5" windows 8.1 tablet?
Tim Cook may yet rue the day he dropped the iPod classic. That was a nice fat line of revenue with a USP that no one was likely to assail.
Let's do a little experiment:
Go buy yourself one of these. Load iTunes on it and test to see how many hours of music you could play. Or video.
Come back to report. The iPod's capabilities are well known and understood.
Oh, and if you can make this thing run iOS apps, that would put the last nail to Apple's coffin. ;-)
> The tablet has a 0.3Mp camera on the front
I'd like to congratulate Walmart's buyers as it must have taken one hell of an effort to find someone still manufacturing 0.3Mp camera modules. Perhaps they can source some old 512KB SD cards for me as I need a couple for old kit that baulks at anything much larger?