PEAK APPLE: iOS 8 is least popular Cupertino mobile OS in all of HUMAN HISTORY Half of all fanbois and gurlz have finally installed iOS 8 on their iThings, hammering home the point that Apple's new mobile operating system is much less popular than previous versions. A glance at the Apple developer support page reveals that 52 percent of users have now installed iOS 8 on their iPhone or fondleslab, which …
>I still see quite a lot of people using those older devices.
Don't they get the hint their membership to the cool kids club has been revoked and they need to go rebuy more overpriced hardware to replace what works because everyone look at me bling comes first. Every hipster knows and every Apple shareholder counts on this.
Internal stats that I can't release show iOS 8 being a device that's finally quite good at processing the web. beforehand, I was lumping it as about as fast as Windows Vista running IE7 or 9 -- and that's not good, not at all.
While I prefer android, I think iOS 8 (performance-wise) is a better operating system, so people should be upgrading.
iOS 8 is not a"device", it's an operating system. Are you saying that an iphone 6 is faster or are you saying an iphone 5 running ios 8 is faster than an iphone 5 running an older ios?
Lack of detail doesn't help.
Personally, I haven't upgraded because I'm not sure why I even need to bother. Nevermind all those people that got burned with bricked devices...
I updated my iPhone 5 to iOS 8 and it was noticeable faster over iOS7, and battery seemed to last longer as well. (My phone is in constant use, web, messaging, facebook, music etc)
My iPad 2 not so much, after upgrading to iOS 8 the battery doesn't seem to last as long, it takes longer to charge, but other than that no real overall difference in performance.
All right, for those who actually care, here's a rough overview of who *never* fully completed an interaction (requiring 2x automatic interaction with a server). These are from September. Note, you can't get a device type from the information we have (annoying by Apple). As it's anonymised data, should be fine.
iOS 5: 4.5%
iOS 6.0.x: ~6%
iOS 6.1.x: 8-10% (yep, got worse)
iOS 7.0.x: 10-11%
iOS 7.1.x: 9%
iOS 8.0.x: 3% <-- finally got better
Sample sizes run in the millions over a the last two weeks in September those wanting to try to nitpick.
Specifically this is measured over users of Safari
My understanding is that the download itself isn't that big but the upgrade process does stuff to your media files that requires up to 5Gb free as it shuffles them about. My fanboi colleague isn't upgrading yet because of that. Oh and there are some bugs that we've found that need squashing.
Give it a few more releases and I reckon most people who can will have upgraded.
Well yes, obviously, it makes a lot of sense.
If you upgrade on device, then the upgrade archive has to be downloaded to the device filesystem somewhere. So that's 1GB ish. Then you need a bunch of scratch and verification space, probably room to unpack files etc., and though 5GB seems excessive, you can certainly see how there'd be escalating storage requirements - especially with on-device checks and balances to make extra sure if anything goes wrong the OS isn't stuffed.
When doing it via iTunes, all the big files can be kept on the downloading computer, with only filesystem changes sent over the wired connection to the device. It may well be possible to be much less careful about keeping a consistent system state too, since if you're connected to iTunes, the upgrade process will already have made a restoration file in case things go tits up.
"Well yes, obviously, it makes a lot of sense."
Actually it doesn't - surely if it were done via iTunes it should require zero additional storage:
1) Take backup (squirt data over USB to computer)
2) Flash iOS directly over existing iOS
3) Reboot
Only additional space required is whatever size larger iOS 8 is over 7. If it's 1GB, that would be a rather terrifying leap.
"When doing it via iTunes, all the big files can be kept on the downloading computer, with only filesystem changes sent over the wired connection to the device. "
And there it is! So, the update really does require 5GB, except some consider using a man in the middle as a magical stick that absolves this reality?
Next up: How to compress data even further by printing it on paper, then folding!
That its a 1GB download, not 5GB I see Jasper.
It's a bit irrelevant. I can install a full-fledged DESKTOP OS* in considerably less space than both numbers. That's after uncompressing everything, AND including a whole bunch of applications. Why the mighty eff does a mobile OS need to be so big while doing so little?
*complete and up-to-date, too. I'm not talking ancient or exotic OS, just a -somewhat tweaked- Linux distro.
>Why the mighty eff does a mobile OS need to be so big while doing so little?
Because Apple doesn't make small. Even on Windows iTunes is huge. It also benefits them if they ignore bloated application sized. Oh, 8GB iPhone isn't big enough, well spend another $100 more for 16GB total storage. iOS running slow? Buy an iPhone 7 with 42 bajillion cores.
If phones were kept for a long time, or very low profit items, they may focus on more optimized applications, but that is not the case. Phones get replaced fast and ease of programming for the developer is the focus. We're going to have to deal with the fat os for a long time.
Wipe it and set it up as a new iPad. I did that with my iPad mini 1 (basically an iPad 2) because it was constantly stalling doing anything. After a fresh setup it is all smooth and a pleasure to use again. I've since wiped and re-setup all my other iOS devices right back to my iPad 1 which with a fresh install of 5.1.1 is like new, and even my old iPhone 4 appreciated a fresh install of iOS 7.1.2 and is responsive unlike after the upgrades.
Upgrading an iOS device works OK for a generation or two, but it is good to wipe and start fresh if only to get rid of all the crap apps you've installed over the years.
What is it with Apple? "Wipe it" to make iOS8 work again. Delete and reinstall apps to free up lots of megabytes of "zombie" space. Deleting old sent emails and the bloody mailbox keeps getting larger anyway... (and there's no way to offload any of it onto the PC using iTunes).
This isn't 1995 guys. Must try harder.
I agree that iOS 8.0 on an iPad 2 or iPhone 4S is a disaster. However, it is a wee bit less of a disaster with iOS 8.1.
If you're stuck with iOS 8.0.x at the moment then an upgrade to iOS 8.1 is definitely to be recommended. And turning off all the effects & spotlight search extensions, etc.
Yeah simple. Too bad people in search of silly headlines aren't paying attention.
Remember, too, that the OS is only a few weeks old. The adoption rate should be considered by the end of the year, after everyone has installed their new iPhones and iPads, and see where it stands. But since more older devices aren't supported, the level will never approach that of iOS 7.
Now compare Apple's numbers to all other companies, and see where they stand. But the truth hurts.
Peace,
Gene
Apple seems to be gradually become shittier.
The latest thing that wound me up was a popup notification that has appeared twice now on the latest OSX. "Try out the new Safari".
The only options being "Okay" or "Later" and no "Piss off I don't want to use that browser" option.
This is the sort of Microsoft OS mindset, nag people with annoying bullshit until they accept it or find a way to cancel it.
I'm sure Apple would just say "You got the OS for free didn't you?".
Jobs would have gone apeshit had he of seen that back in the day.
Its really only one step above how Windows highlights the newly installed apps in the Start Menu. It isn't asking to be made your default browser, or asking "hey, why the hell didn't you use Safari?" every time you start up Firefox. Comparing it to what Microsoft did in the 90s where they went out of their way to insure that IE was your default browser and borked web standards so web sites would only look correct in IE is ridiculous.
I agree though that Jobs would not have appreciated it asking at all. If you just upgraded your OS, you can pretty much assume that all built-in applications have been updated, Safari included. It shouldn't bother the user with reminders. If they prefer another browser so be it. Apple isn't trying to subvert web standards and make Safari the only browser capable of viewing the web.
OK so Yosemite isn't a mobile op sys but then it does look like iOS8 and also rhymes with shite, which is my rating. Tried it for two days and then reverted to Mavericks which actually does what I want it to. New Safari sucks and lost the features which make the previous version good and likewise iTunes has been borked as well. What really killed Yoshite was it's continuous dropping of the wi-fi connection. A pathetic release if there ever was one. Like Windoze Millennium but worse!
Ironic to bring out a Retina display iMac and put an op sys with kindergarten designed icons and feel on it.
"Apple seems to be gradually become shittier" - Agree
Thirded... Or should that be turded?
Got a Macbook Pro running Mavericks I took the DVD drive out and put an SSD in there because Mavericks was running so badly. 'Upgraded' to Yosemite on the SSD and while it fixes little issues like wake from sleep they haven't quite mastered the difficult multitasking of wake from sleep and connect to the Wi-Fi network. It connects roughly 2 out of 10 wakes from sleep and when it does it will just randomly drop out.
Got to the point where I'm tempted to flatten it and just put a linux distro on there
'If 64GB+ storage was the norm then finding a free 5GB would not be an issue."
Unless you actually use all your space.
"Too many complaints from clients that their 8GB/16GB iDevice is full... 32GB should be entry level now."
Or the OS update could be less bloated. Honestly 1GB isn't too bad -- but why should it take *5GB* to update that? Even if the old OS was 1GB, download was 1GB (it should be less if it extracts to 1GB), and the download is extracted before it overwrites the old OS (another 1GB), that's 3GB, not 5GB.
Still no user accessible filesystem, still stuck in the walled garden, still using proprietary file transfer, doesn't play nice with Linux, sucks up precious limited storage, and doesn't magically reveal hidden microSD and USB ports.
Apple doesn't do nerd releases anymore. This is strictly to make Apple appear productive during a lapse of creativity and energy towards new markets.
Good point. In actual number terms, the least popular iOS ever is 1.0. It may have had 100% share at one point, but even the devices that used to run it will have been upgraded since then. There's probably three or four left with it on. Compared to how many million iOS 8?
So yeah... maths fail
It's easy to see why users are resisting this.
Well, after iOS 7 required iOS 7.1, I foolishly installed iOS 8, only to find that it wants me to install iOS 8.01 or whatever, but I'm going to wait, as it will want me to install iOS 8.1 next week.
Hey wait, isn't this the same thing as the issue with Windows 8? But Apple, instead of releasing all the features at once decided to make users upgrade multiple times. Maybe they should test their OS first? After all, they have complete control of of the hardware - can't pull a Microsoft and say "ooh, we never considered that combination of hardware"
Installed it my work ipad 4. It really makes bugger all difference having it except all the apple apps dont complain that they need ios 8. I did notice that the animations seemed slightly more choppy. Didnt notice the design change :P as i hadnt really give it enough attention. iOS has always seems rather dull and i cant stand crap on the desktop. I would hate to see the designers desktop.
Also none of our work Apps broke which means its a minor Apple upgrade. You can spot significant iOS and OSX updates because they break everything like a point release of Java.
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