back to article Make life easy for yourself when you move to the cloud

So the boss has decided that the company needs a “highly scalable elastic cloud infrastructure” and in true Dilbert style, the rank-and-file IT people have to build said cloud yesterday. The most important first step is: don't do anything... Yet. An organisation’s, or at least the IT department’s, staff need to understand not …

  1. Nate Amsden

    Most dont need it

    None of the companies ive worked at the past 15 years were in a position to do such a move. VMs or server lives are measured in years. It is not difficult to repair a failed one. In fact we have not had to rebuild a single VM since we left amazons shit cloud 3 years ago. VM failures are very rare. Ive seen maybe 4 in 3 years all fixed with power cycling the VM (kernel panic or something). One VM host panic in 8 years of using ESX.

    Cloud is mostly hype the amount of effort required to do it right is absolutely huge, and for most orgs a waste of time because they arent to that kind of scale and probably will never be (be realistic!).

    Sure it sounds cool, but ill argue till im purple that utility computing fits the needs better than true cloud in greater than 90% of orgs. But utility computing is not hip.

    All of the companies I have worked at have been web style startups. Current one and prev one built on cloud (badly). First one collapsed. Current one moved out 3 years ago and even if you toss out the cost savings the improved functionality flexibility performance and avaulability reign supreme.

    Excuse typos on my phone

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Most dont need it

      "Sure it sounds cool, but I'll argue till I'm purple that utility computing fits the needs better than true cloud in greater than 90% of orgs. But utility computing is not hip."

      I look at it a little differently. Based on your previous comments, you're obviously a senior sysadmin/guru type of fellow, and from your perspective, you're right.

      However, it may be something of a generational change (I'm not implying you're old!). Those web style startups that you rightly deride are going to be the large enterprises of the next two decades (some of 'em, anyway). And they will have grown up in a world where compute resources are this amorphous, abstracted 'thing' that you use as you need it. Yes, most just treat utility computing as the "cloud" (by renting VMs on someone else's hardware), but the true cloud is more hip, as you say, and more people want to learn how to use it properly.

      When Larry and Sergey built Google, they had to buy hardware and run the servers on Lego blocks. The next Google will be built on Amazon, or Google, or even Azure (which I've been using and am pleasantly surprised by).

      My knowledge of this area is limited because I wasn't around, but isn't there a parallel to the whole shift from mainframe to client-server (PC)? Mainframes were more powerful, etc, but PC was cheaper and and far more flexible. Mainframes still chug along and there's an ironic shift back to their model (I mean, cloud/utility is an extension of that in some ways), but the kids who got PCs at home and learnt to program on them built the enterprises that rule today.

      Every single entrepreneur type I know - admittedly none of them famous or rich - is building on the cloud. Some try and architect their app to be a proper cloud app, some just treat the cloud as a bunch of remote servers. But they all say they're in the "cloud". Of course, this is just one guy's opinion on the internet

      True cloud is hard to wrap your head around. I know I haven't, but I sense the glimmerings of it, and I know that there are far smarter people who are building apps in ways that were simply not possible with utility computing (on-premises or remote).

      I suppose it really comes down to what's cool and hip, as you say. Another way of saying that may be - people converge on a solution, that becomes the standard - with little regard for what's technically superior.

      It's fun to watch though.

    2. Roj Blake Silver badge

      Re: Most dont need it

      Saying that the cloud is unnecessary because Amazon are a bit crap is like saying nobody needs a car because the Trabant you used have kept breaking down.

      Other cloud providers are out there - ones that actually care about their customers.

      Of course, it's not for everyone, but for many SMEs moving to the cloud can get rid of a massive headache.

  2. ecofeco Silver badge
    Facepalm

    The cloud again?

    The cloud is not only the dumbest security move you could ever make, but it really, really, isn't ready for prime time yet either.

    Synchronizations? If you're lucky. Fast access? Only if you got really fat pipes. User and admin interface? Don't make me laugh. A kid with crayons could do better. Reliable storage? Comes with a unicorn.

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