Government report: average Oz user will want 15 Mbps by 2023 With the launch of the report, communications minister Malcolm Turnbull seems to have taken a more generous view of the predictability of the future. In April 2013, Turnbull scorned predictions five to ten years in the future were uncertain, adding that he was ““knowledgeable enough and modest enough to know that you can't …
There are roughly three types of house holds
1. Those with > 5mbs
2. Those with < 5mbs but fixed telephone.
3. Those with < 5mbs in the middle of nowhere.
The low hanging fruit for cost/benefit is class 2. They are desperate for decent internet and are also relatively cheap to service with FTTN.
Type 3 might have to wait. If you live back of Bourke then maybe it is not reasonable to expect to be able to stream video entertainment at no real cost. Satellite will provide expensive but useable broadband. Think of the people in cities who have to pay a fortune to keep a horse.
Type1 can already do virtually everything that it is useful to do on the internet except run a data center.
Those projected figures demand are nonsense because nobody has figured out an application real or imagined that might possibly need more than about 10mbs other than ultra high definition TV.
Telepresence is one such example of an application > 10mbps.
Imagine a farmer when it comes to harvest time to be able to get Telepresence workers from the comfort of the suburbs without having to accually travel to the remote farm. This could enable disabled people to be productive members of socerity.
This is why it is important to run fiber to the most remote of properties to enable such a future which this is just one example. Satellite is a good interim measure while such networks are built.
There are roughly three types of house holds
1. Those with > 5mbs
2. Those with < 5mbs but fixed telephone.
3. Those with < 5mbs in the middle of nowhere.
The low hanging fruit for cost/benefit is class 2. They are desperate for decent internet and are also relatively cheap to service with FTTN.
Type 3 might have to wait. If you live back of Bourke then maybe it is not reasonable to expect to be able to stream video entertainment at no real cost. Satellite will provide expensive but useable broadband. Think of the people in cities who have to pay a fortune to keep a horse.
Type1 can already do virtually everything that it is useful to do on the internet except run a data center.
Those projected figures demand are nonsense because nobody has figured out an application real or imagined that might possibly need more than about 10mbs other than ultra high definition TV.
I want to be able to use 4K NetFlix and be able to download at the same time now. 25Mb/s won't cut it... By 2023 we might have higher than 4K video, and have other high bandwidth apps not even contemplated yet. Stopping fiber to the node was the most short sighted thing this government has done.
Let met get this straight... "I want to be able to use 4K NetFlix and be able to download at the same time now"... I get that part. Where does it say that I (the taxpayer) needs to pay for YOU to do that? If you want it now, you can do it now. Just go to Telstra, Optus, etc and ask them for a price.
Problem solved. Now can we get on with our lives without all these people demanding we pay for their free stuff?
"The ABS records of download volumes show that from 2009 to 2013, CAGR ran at more than 64 per cent."
A 12Mbps connection is capable of almost 4GB month which is well in excess of the current average.
100Mbps is capable of 32GB a month.
Having said that faster connections are important because it enables interactive real-time services (e.g. video conferencing).
Instead, you've implied that upload speeds are as important as download speeds for backup.
Backups are incremental and non-critical. Recoveries are critical and total. It doesn't matter to me how many weeks it takes to do a full backup of my home or office workstation or server: we don't do that, and I don't do that, because I don't want to spend weeks recovering my workstation or server if it falls over.
At present, ADSL download speeds are too slow to make cloud backup reasonable for some of our factory workloads. Our plan is to move more stuff into the cloud when we get NBN. There are some perfectly reasonable business uses for a high-speed network.
Now that we no longer host our own web server, or name server, or mail server, an assumption of symmetric 'speeds' would be a pessimistic assumption.
"The other howler in this assumption – one that will fuel accusations that the whole Vertigan process represents a political report to serve a political end – is that Australia's average ADSL line speed is above 12 Mbps, citing the government's MyBroadband data cube as its source."
On 25th Feb 2008 Internode & iiNet published a heat map of ADSL2+ speeds in Sydney - http://www.internode.on.net/news/2008/02/76.php. Quoting from the article "Combining the results of these two ADSL2+ surveys indicates that half of all their customers(3) regularly enjoy download speeds of 11.9Mbps. In addition, 80% of customers, today have access to speeds about 6 Megabits per second." Of course some people will be well below, but it does make the 12Mbps speed reasonable.
It is interesting to note that it was in response to Labor's FTTN policy promising 12Mbps. How times change.
"As a network engineer said to The Register: “With the cap, virtually all of the actual utilisation numbers you can dream up are artificially constrained.”"
Contrary to popular opinion, data is not free. Every other utility service charges based on usage, because if you don't charge based on usage a critical link is broken and this leads to the "Tragedy of the Commons".
Quotas enable ISPs to control network usage. Customers who want to download large amounts of data and are prepared to schedule it can take advantage of off-peak periods. Customers who are light users have reasonably priced connections which are fast.
The problem is speed tiers which limit the benefits of a fast network. If a person's primary requirement is a video conference twice a month why should they be required to spend additional money for a high speed connection with data they are not consuming?
I want someone to ask the question to Malcolm Turnbull about why all other countries on the planet are going for FTTP yet he thinks that speed is too fast for us and we must suffer with FTTN, despite the fact that he is investing his OWN money overseas in FTTP?????
Regardless of whether the speed is required NOW it really makes more economical sense to build FTTP now because it will be cheaper, and way, way more expensive to pay for FTTN now and upgrade to FTTP later.
I was looking at buying a property a few minutes out of Queanbeyan but can't because they are all on RIMs and basically have no wired internet. You can't even get NBN satellite because they allowed people with ADSL already to buy in, and we all know how good wireless is...... Turnbull's MTM will do nothing for rural people only a few minutes out of metropolitan areas.
Lies, Lies, Lies
I want someone to ask the question to Malcolm Turnbull about why all other countries on the planet are going for FTTP yet he thinks that speed is too fast for us and we must suffer with FTTN, despite the fact that he is investing his OWN money overseas in FTTP?????
Regardless of whether the speed is required NOW it really makes more economical sense to build FTTP now because it will be cheaper, and way, way more expensive to pay for FTTN now and upgrade to FTTP later.
I was looking at buying a property a few minutes out of Queanbeyan but can't because they are all on RIMs and basically have no wired internet. You can't even get NBN satellite because they allowed people with ADSL already to buy in, and we all know how good wireless is...... Turnbull's MTM will do nothing for rural people only a few minutes out of metropolitan areas.
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