It couldn't be worse than my mum's Samsung smart TV. To be fair, it does catch up TV and Netflix well, which is the main thing. But everything else is slow, half baked and confusing. The software was designed in the spirit of 'will-this-do?'. If LG have got away from that, they deserve to do well.
There’s nothing particularly clever about most smart TVs. While their Internet connected functionality is undeniably useful, the user experience is clunky at best, with apps and streaming services typically kettled away from everyday operation. But LG’s webOS connected platform is different. Debuting on around 70 per cent of …
Monday 4th August 2014 08:38 GMT Anonymous Coward
Monday 4th August 2014 09:07 GMT Anonymous Coward
How long before a TV comes with a tablet for a remote?
Like my previous-generation LG perhaps (thanks to the Android app available for it) ?? If the DRM permits it (which is rare), you can also mirror the content from the TV onto the tablet.
The Virgin TIVO also has a sensible app. At last.
Monday 4th August 2014 09:24 GMT PleebSmash
Monday 4th August 2014 16:14 GMT Dave 126
>How long before a TV comes with a tablet for a remote?
That's a solution that works well. Current implementations include:
iPad + PS3
Android tablet + Chromecast dongle
Of course these solutions aren't fully intgrated (i.e, you can't use tablet to swtich aspect ratios, switch input, or adjust the picture settings etc).
One stupid TV 'feature': Sony TVs that turn themselves off after an hour if they receive no input from their own IR remote... we actually use the remote for the FreeSat box / BluRay drive during use.
Tuesday 5th August 2014 00:49 GMT John Brown (no body)
"How long before a TV comes with a tablet for a remote?"
My old(ish) 42" LG none-smart TV comes out of standby when I press a button on the XBMC remote control app on my tablet. If it was last on a different source, it tends to try to reconect to that source, but another tap on a button on the app makes it switch to the Raspberry Pi on HDMI3
Monday 4th August 2014 08:43 GMT monkeyfish
Monday 4th August 2014 09:49 GMT wheelybird
Re: I actually want one
There is a 32" model - I bought it last week. The journalist here might not have done their research properly. :)
Look for the 32LB650V @ ~£440. It doesn't come with the magic remote - that's an extra £25 from Amazon.
I had a HP Pre3 and I loved webOS on that. It's not quite as good as a smart TV platform, but it's still quite good. The 32" model is a dual-core ARM processor (I don't know the type/speed). It provides reasonable performance, but perhaps not a smooth as higher-end models. The TV still suffers from a ~30s wait from being turned on before you can fire up the smart TV features.
In general I think LG webOS is a pretty good first release, but I'd say some of the apps could certainly be refined (especially the DLNA playback app). I just hope that LG release webOS updates for all TVs on an ongoing basis rather than only releasing new versions of the OS on newer model TVs.
Monday 4th August 2014 11:54 GMT Boothy
Re: I actually want one
webOS user here too, and so far very happy with it. It was one of the selling points to getting the TV.
But I agree, the current DLNA client is rather clunky, it does work, but is missing things like the ability to browse follders.
You also can't access things like network shares, which is a shame.
But on the plus side, it does play MP4 & MKV without any issues so far, both directly via USB, and over DLNA.
Monday 4th August 2014 08:44 GMT Phil O'Sophical
I can't say I care much about my TV being smart, I hardly ever use the "smart" stuff on my Sony, but only 3 HDMI ports, FFS?
I have a Sky satellite box, another satellite box for European TV and a NowTV box. I occasionally plug my camera in to see recently-taken photos. In the future I want to add Blu-Ray, and I can see other people adding games consoles or a connection to a PC or other media streamer. Even my 4-HDMI-port TV is already full.
Forget the SMART crap, just put 6 HDMI sockets as a minimum. Plus S-Video or YUV component and RGB for the legacy stuff (like my DVD recorder).
Monday 4th August 2014 09:00 GMT Steven Raith
Re: Wrong priorities
Without wishing to sound arsey, have you considered getting a second hand AV amp and some small speakers (as not everyone needs a kilowatt of sound, natch).
Should get lots of HDMI inputs, and a used one might not have internet streaming and iTunes capabilities but if it's HDMI inputs you want, it's a pretty sensible way of doing it, and the generally accepted way of doing it, given that the audio on most tellies these days is...just awful!
Monday 4th August 2014 09:43 GMT Phil O'Sophical
Re: Wrong priorities
have you considered getting a second hand AV amp
I have, a new one even, but I already have the TV hooked up to a good audio system with a Dolby surround decoder (I agree 100% with the comments on the quality of TV built-in speakers), and I don't really want to replace it just to add one with an HDMI switch. Not to mention all the additional back & forth cabling between the unit with the TV and set-top boxes and the alcove where the hifi stuff is.
A separate switch is the obvious and probably inevitable option, it's what I had to do when everything was SCART-based, but it's yet one more box and one more remote control that shouldn't be necessary. HDMI sockets aren't physically clumsy like SCART ones, adding a few more to a TV PCB wouldn't be that hard, or expensive.
Monday 4th August 2014 11:15 GMT The Indomitable Gall
Monday 4th August 2014 18:47 GMT Steven Raith
Re: @Steven Raith Wrong priorities
Phil, fair enough - it sounded like you might have missed a trick but obviously you've looked at it and dismissed it. HDMI switch it is!
Gall - really? I've not noticed any issues on the systems my (considerably better off than me) chums have set up. As I say, not so much putting it through a hifi per se, but using a dedicated AV amp which uses the TV just as a monitor with video passthrough and whatever other gubbins are in use.
Syncing the audio to the video should be a piece of piss given that the AV amps HDMI input and output should be able to compensate for any audio processing lag by just adjusting the timing of the video signal to suit the audio, etc.
Or am I missing a trick? Wouldn't be the first time....
Monday 4th August 2014 08:53 GMT Anonymous Coward
Unless this has changed, LG use passive 3D as well which was a big bonus - cheap,light comfortable glasses for the whole family - or cinema ones if needed - and no black flicker like I've seen on every active 3D model I've tested.
I doubt it, but I hope webOS gets back ported to slightly older sets too.
Monday 4th August 2014 09:05 GMT Aitor 1
Smart for LG
Is to track what you do:
Also, now you either consent to being tracked (a.k.a spied upon) or no smart tv for you:
So only dumb people buy smart LG tvs... or maybe uninformed ppl.
Monday 4th August 2014 09:24 GMT Anonymous Coward
Monday 4th August 2014 09:30 GMT Anonymous Coward
I would wait until they fix the bugs...
1) If the scart input activates the TV (correctly) switches to the AV1 input. However, the TV won't let you switch back to watching TV using the input selector. It will let you switch back if you enter a channel number, but only if it's not the same as the one you were watching.
2) Related to the above, once you've managed to switch back to watching TV, if you open the EPG and then close it, you're back to watching the AV1 input.
3) Pressing 'OK' (I think - centre button in the cursor cluster) brings up information about the current channel, pressing it again makes it go away. Most of the time - for some channels it will only work once or twice! This is repeatable for the same set of channels.
The EPG is a right pain to use:
1) Scrolling left and right doesn't automatically scroll the time line - you end up on button regions and have to press OK to go backwards/forwards.
2) Every now and then the EPG jumps to the top line by itself.
3) If you exit the EPG at some random point in time and then go back in later you are shown the EPG at the point you left it. This may be useful at times, but there's no (obvious) way to go to 'now'.
And they also need to speed it up. The user interface (even for basic TV use) is so, so slow :-(
Monday 4th August 2014 12:22 GMT Boothy
webOS user for about 4 weeks
I bought a 49UB850V a few weeks ago, and so far have been very happy with the Smart functions.
Everything is controlled from the same GUI, so not just the 'Smart' functions, but also things like picture and sound settings etc.
The Magic remote works well, just like using a Wii remote, the standard IR remote hardly gets any usage.
I also plugged in a wireless USB dongle (HID compliant), for a keyboard and Mouse, and it just worked. With the mouse controlling the pointer, and keyboard allowing text entry etc. Useful for search inputs, or when adding YouTube account details etc.
It also plays MKV files (including over DLNA if your server supports it) , which was a nice bonus for my, ehem, library.
There are quite a few apps that can be downloaded form the built in store, although so far I've not tried any of them.
Annoyingly the official Android app is just a place holder currently, due later this year apparently. But you don't need it to do things like send Youtube feeds from your tablet/phone to the TV, as the standard Youtube app recognises the TV anyway.
There is still room for improvement though. the DLNA client doesn't show folders, it's just one large list of everything. With the only filters being by type (video, pictures, music).
But it's early days, and the system has already had one update since getting the set, so I expect more will be coming.
Monday 4th August 2014 15:04 GMT stu 4
Interestingly my LG updated its firmware (700megs) a few weeks ago.
It came up and forces you to agree to the new privacy agreement, or no more smart tv.
I wonder if this is legal ?
I've never used the smarttv part tbh - it's plugged into my macmini and that's what I use all the time, so I gave it a 'yes' for an easy life, and knowing it won't be able to track anything.
however, it does seem a bit rich, effectively disabling your tv if you don't agree to changes in privacy conditions after an update.
here's someone detailing the same issue:
Monday 4th August 2014 20:16 GMT Red Bren
Re: privacy agreement
It's not the first time an entertainment system manufacturer has given its customers a Hobson's choice of "Install the new firmware or we'll turn (y)our product into a brick!"
Sadly, because this post-purchase bait-and-switch wasn't killed at the earliest opportunity, we've all lost effective ownership of our electronic goods.
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Monday 4th August 2014 21:10 GMT Anonymous Coward
Monday 4th August 2014 21:42 GMT Keef
I've read the LG advertisement - sorry - El Reg article and...
I've just bought the exact model reviewed, it's okay but I wondered what the fuck was going on when I first powered it up.
I'd never heard of Bean Bird and was confused by the stupid animations I was presented with, some fucking cartoon animal apparently sleeping with ZZZs drifting up the screen,
Really intuitive LG, well done chaps.
The telly's okay though.
Monday 4th August 2014 23:31 GMT i1ya
Tuesday 5th August 2014 00:55 GMT Mark 65
Tuesday 5th August 2014 02:05 GMT Keef
Re: Am I alone...
I've registered my telly and removed any means of connection to the 'net.
Well, there is the HDMI link back to Rupert's Sky box, which in turn is connected to the 'net.
So I guess an OSI layer 1 link exists, if any of the higher layers can be transported over that I don't know.
Anyone on here from the NSA/GCHQ to advise?
Friday 7th November 2014 11:48 GMT SpamBot
What about spying on you?
Does this TV still spy on you?
My current LG recently upgraded it's firmware and offered me a EULA that basically turns off all the "smart" features unless I agree that the TV sends all my viewing data to LG, and LG can send it outside the EU and do what it likes with that data. The data it collects includes the filenames of files played from my internal network, so names of kids if they're in the filename etc etc.
Of course there is no way to downgrade the firmware, and there was no warning of the change in EULA BEFORE the upgrade happened.
I could go to court but that will cost me more than the TV did...
(& before anyone says yes but every website does the same, there are ways I can stop/block websites, and the websites haven't taken my money up front for a premium product and then changed the deal after I've parted with -a lot- of my cash. Changing the terms post purchase *IS* against the law in UK, but of course despite many reports, including one from Which, the regulator/government in UK does nothing to actually protect citizens).
At least I have the knowledge to packet sniff my TV and block the addresses of the LG spy sites, but lots of other people probably don't.