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Norwegian convicted mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik has threatened a hunger strike if prison authorities don't upgrade his video game system to a PlayStation 3, among other demands. "You've put me in hell," Breivik wrote to officials in November in a letter obtained by Agence France-Presse, "and I won't manage to survive …

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  1. Chris T Almighty

    If they were serious about punishment

    they'd give him a Windows 8 machine instead.

    1. Old Handle

      Re: If they were serious about punishment

      Now come on, that would be inhumane.

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      1. asdf

        Re: If they were serious about punishment

        >grow up for fuck's sake

        The butt hurt is strong with this one. Shareholder, re-seller, ???

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          1. Jamie Jones Silver badge
            Unhappy

            Re: If they were serious about punishment

            "Call me pathetic all you like but the fact that the first comment on this article was a pathetic dig at Microsoft says a lot more about the commenters on this website than anything else."

            Totally agree. I know this is a site full of geeks, but still I was shocked by the lack of real-world-understanding show by these commentards, their upvotes, and your downotes. Not that it's important, but I'm one of the few who upvoted you, and downvoted them.

            The replies on this topic are more like those on sickipedia.

          2. cyborg
            Facepalm

            Re: If they were serious about punishment

            "Call me pathetic all you like but the fact that the first comment on this article was a pathetic dig at Microsoft says a lot more about the commenters on this website than anything else."

            Ah, so unless every comment in regards to this person is about stripping his skin off and rolling him in salt they are morally objectionable?

          3. Salavora

            Re: If they were serious about punishment

            You do understand, that "grow up for fuck's sake" will be taken as "I am a little child that can't make an argument yet, but learned swaering, so I use this. Please give me lots of attention!", right?

            Hence the downvotes and the fact that people keep ignoring your "statement" and actually give the statement you acted agains more value?

            The second comment is a lot better and shows, that there is someone there with a working brain who is able to converse instead of swear, why couldn't you post something like this before?

            Why the profanity, when a simple "This guy killed a lot of people, most of those teens and you are starting with a microsoft joke?! You can't be serious!", would have gotten you much more attention and might have stopped the whole "one joke after an other" posts.

            About the Article:

            Where I the wareden, I would restrict his access to a typewriter down to paper and pencil and take away his PS2 and other electronic devices for at least a month.

            This guy behaves like a spoiled child, hence I would treat him this way.

            I hope that they will never let him out, since his grasp of reality seems to remain rather loose.

            This person is soooo not fit to enter society again!

            1. gazthejourno (Written by Reg staff)

              Re: Re: If they were serious about punishment

              The Norwegians believe in rehabiliation, to the point where Breivik's likely to be released in 15 years' time.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: If they were serious about punishment

        "grow up for fuck's sake"

        No, you are quite right; they should have given him a Windows ME or Windows 3.0 machine. With no service packs.

    3. Big-nosed Pengie

      Re: If they were serious about punishment

      That would be cruel and unusual punishment.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: If they were serious about punishment

        "That would be cruel and unusual punishment."

        Accede to his request. He'll be gutted when he finds out that GTA isn't actually realistic.

        1. SolidSquid

          Re: If they were serious about punishment

          Not as gutted as when he finds out all those cool adult games they gave him for his PS2 don't work on the PS3 they replaced it with. Oops, must have been some cross communication there. It'll be resolved as soon as possible

    4. LarsG

      Litigation

      It won't be long before he starts litigating on the grounds on 'unusual and in humane treatment'.

      I can understand that he is not allowed games with guns and bullets, but it would be so much cheaper to let him starve to death and use his body to fuel a furnace.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Litigation

        "much cheaper to let him starve to death and use his body to fuel a furnace."

        If you let him starve to death the energy content of the corpse will be fairly low. Better to fatten him up, leave a few nooses around as a hint, and then burn him. Possibly restrict his liquid intake so he's a bit dehyrdrated - the higher the water content the less energy you get out.

        I'm all in favour of dead people as a renewable fuel. In fact I'd round up hippies, convicted murderers, and climate change enthusiasts and throw them in the hopper alive - why waste bullets, or make a bolt gun dirty?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Litigation

          Have you seen the post on Slate about the research showing that Internet trolls who come over as narcissistic sociopaths or psychopaths are in reality - narcissistic sociopaths or psychopaths?

          here

        2. John Hughes

          Re: Litigation

          "In fact I'd round up hippies, convicted murderers, and climate change enthusiasts and throw them in the hopper alive - why waste bullets, or make a bolt gun dirty?"

          Climate change enthusiasts? People who are working for climate change? Curry, Linden, Mcintyre, Watts, those guys?

          I think you're a bit harsh.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Litigation

            "Climate change enthusiasts? People who are working for climate change? Curry, Linden, Mcintyre, Watts,"

            On the correct side of the Atlantic those names ring no bells, I'm afraid, so no witty or facetious response is possible. But you could pretend I did manage it?

            1. asdf

              Re: Litigation

              >"Climate change enthusiasts? People who are working for climate change? Curry, Linden, Mcintyre, Watts,"

              Why the hate? Do you really think anyone is listening to the eggheads? Don't worry you and the Koch brothers are going to get the future you want careful what you wish for, etc. As for wanting people to die I guess you fear people when they have to something to say that is dangerous.

        3. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Litigation

          I'm all for that, but add the idiots responsible for RoHS and REACH to that list, for crimes against technology.

          Giant hornet enema should be the penalty imposed on Breivik IMHO, burning alive is too quick.

        4. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Litigation

          Being a hippie, I'd produce too much CO2 with all my wooden beads.

          Anyways, you need us, we abate your negative vibes so the world'll keep turning in all its wondrousness for a while longer.

        5. leenex

          Re: Litigation

          I'm sure Breivik would hire you as a consultant :)

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: If they were serious about punishment

      they'd give him a Windows 8CE machine instead.

      Fixed that for you.

    6. Matt Bryant Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: Chris T Almighty Re: If they were serious about punishment

      "they'd give him a Windows 8 machine instead." Nah, for real misery inducement, it would have to be IBM's OS2 Warp, on an IBM PS/2 (see what I did there?).

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Chris T Almighty If they were serious about punishment

        " Nah, for real misery inducement, it would have to be IBM's OS2 Warp, on an IBM PS/2 (see what I did there?)."

        Now that would be both cruel and unusual. But personally I see nothing wrong in either.

      2. Euripides Pants

        Re: real misery

        For real misery, they'd have to give him Amy's First Primer....

        http://www.danielsays.com/ss-gallery-dos-sw-amys-first-primer-12.html

    7. Thorne

      Re: If they were serious about punishment

      "they'd give him a Windows 8 machine instead."

      Prison is about rehabilitation, not punishment. You can't give him something that will make him want to go out and kill someone.......

      1. Fluffy Bunny
        Facepalm

        Re: If they were serious about punishment

        "Prison is about rehabilitation, not punishment."

        100% wrong. Prison has four aims:

        1. punish the offender

        2. keep the offender out of society so they can't reoffend

        3. deter other members of society from committing similar offences

        4. rehabilitate the offender

        Item 4 is one of those things that's only done if possible. The level of recidivism in released inmates clearly shows that giving them playstations, TVs, etc weakens 1 & 3 so much they are essentially ineffective. Rehabilitation is basically one of those things - "while we have him in our prison, we may as well try...."

        1. Thorne

          Re: If they were serious about punishment

          With a name like Fluffy Bunny, you'd think you'd be less serious. My comment was an insulting dig at Windows 8, not actually a comment about the role of prisons.

          If I was actually commenting on Brevik, I'd say just surgically remove his eyes, ears and tongue and let him spend the rest of his miserable life, dark and alone, dependant on the charity of others, not whining that his playstation doesn't have the cool new games.....

        2. leenex

          Re: If they were serious about punishment

          100% wrong. Prison has four aims: I love this, but feel the need to explain.

          1. punish the offender

          The purpose of this is to make him hate us. If he didn't hate us before, we must make sure that he does. This is important to point 4 below.

          2. keep the offender out of society so they can't reoffend

          This one has a side effect - it protects us.

          3. deter other members of society from committing similar offences

          In other words, scare us so bad, only psychopathic miurderer and criminals will ever commit crimes.

          4. rehabilitate the offender

          See point one. We need criminals, we need them to apply peer pressure to one another, use their cognitive dissonance to rationalize their crimes, so they can commit better ones when they get out.

          Punishment has been used for 30.000 years. It's a proven solution.

          1. proud2bgrumpy

            Re: If they were serious about punishment

            "Punishment has been used for 30.000 years. It's a proven solution."

            But only if the punishment is sufficiently severe to prevent the offender from ever re-offending. A callous mass-murderer has already stepped completely out of societies norms and value-system. Lovely one-to-one chats that aim to re-adjust their perspective can never work.

            But a sentence of absolute misery, deprivation and unending torment might just spark the realisation that "if I do bad things, bad things will happen to me, so be nice". I'm not talking about torture or capital punishment here, I am talking about unending boredom mind-numbing tedium, hard hard work, zero stimulation, absence of routine, constant fear and discomfort. Giving prisoners TVs and a playstation to occupy their days is purely electronic baby-sitting - I know people who spend all day every day in front the TV/playstation - out of choice. If they trash their cells or riot as a group, well so long as they can't get out of the facility that's fine by me - they will learn to live with the consequences of their actions - certainly no loss to me or society as a whole.

        3. Shane 4

          Re: If they were serious about punishment

          You forgot the 5th one which applies in most countries.

          5. Waste tax payers money giving them luxuries they don't deserve!

          As inhumane as some former communist countries were and maybe some still are, Sometimes a bullet to the back of the head is the best option for certain crimes! cheap and painless and puts an end to it all so everyone can move on.

          1. Amorous Cowherder
            Facepalm

            Re: If they were serious about punishment

            So it's not punishment you want, it's plain simple public revenge? Great 90% of the time when when you get the right person but a real bark when you paint the wall with the brains of an innocent person!

            Tell you what why bother with all that justice bullshit either, eh? Just instigate several teams of covert death-squads, simple, plain street justice it's "cheap and painless and puts an end to it all so everyone can move on". The biggest advantage is that with no evidence of who killed the person, no one has to clean up the mess, except the victim's family! Save an absolute bundle in taxes!

            Just a word to the wise though, don't piss off the wrong person, cut anyone up on the road or annoy any of your co-workers, they might mark you out as an undesirable and next thing your family might be soaping down your guts from their living room wall!

            1. cray74

              Re: If they were serious about punishment

              "So it's not punishment you want, it's plain simple public revenge? ... Tell you what why bother with all that justice bullshit either, eh? Just instigate several teams of covert death-squads ..."

              That's a slippery slope fallacy. That Shane 4 suggested quick punishment (or revenge) for a self-admitted and convicted killer does not directly lead to eliminating the preceding trial, due process, careful consideration of evidence, and appeals.

        4. SolidSquid

          Re: If they were serious about punishment

          It's worth pointing out that Norway has one of the lowest levels of recidivism in the world, something which is largely attributed to the focus on rehabilitation over punishment

          1. proud2bgrumpy

            Re: If they were serious about punishment

            "It's worth pointing out that Norway has one of the lowest levels of recidivism in the world, something which is largely attributed to the focus on rehabilitation over punishment"

            But Breivik can not be rehabiliated - ever!! It is absolutely impossible, how can he ever be reintroduced to society. Lets say he's released in 20 years time, would you accept him living next door to you, dating your daughter, showing your son how to use a gun or how to lead a moving target? I'm guessing not.

            So given that rehabilitation is completely out of the question, all that is left is incarceration and punishment and he deserves a lifetime of both.

            1. Philip Lewis

              Re: If they were serious about punishment

              @ proud2bgrumpy

              To give a couple of examples.

              Members of the Baader-Meinhoff* terrorist organisation RAF in Germany did return to society after serving gaol time.

              Members of the Blekinge Gang terrorist organisation in Danmark returned to society after serving gaol time.

              These people were ideologically driven political terrorists with no compunction about killing their targets in cold blood - amongst the most ideologically driven evil people you are likely to imagine. Yet apparently they now walk freely amongst us here in northern Europe.

              Now, I leave it to you to decide if you think that it is a good thing or not, but the blanket statement "But Breivik can not be rehabiliated - ever!! " is not true just because you say so and choose to believe it so. It may be true, but neither of us have any way of knowing that.

              *For those of you who did not live in Europe during the baader-meinhof RAF terror era, here is a link chosen at random - http://www.baader-meinhof.com/

              1. proud2bgrumpy

                Re: If they were serious about punishment

                @ Philip Lewis

                Breivik can never be rehabilitated because society will never accept him back - I tried to make that point - it doesn't matter if he has a change of heart, he can never rejoin society because he is simply too well known and his appalling crimes will never be forgotten within the lifetimes of the affected generations.

                So you might argue that perhaps he *could* be given a new identity, but I'd say that rejoining society with a false identity is NOT rehabilitation because he will continue to live on the periphery of society where he never has to answer to his past actions which are simply too heinous for forgiveness. If you disagree, I'll ask again - would you want him dating your daughter after his apparent reintroduction to society?

                Now, I do know an ex-car thief, an ex-burglar and an ex-drug dealer (marijuana) - the're all law-abiding guys now (so they say, and I have no reason to disbelieve them). Two of these guys do regret their actions, the other simply doesn't want to go back inside, -BUT- they don't have (or need) new identities because the extent of their crimes are within the bounds of society to forgive.

                So like I said before Breivik can never be rehabilitated (back into society as Anders Breivik) and giving him a false identity so he can pretend he never did bad stuff is just not rehabilitation.

                Well known UK ex-cons who have accepted what they did and who are accepted back into society:

                Mark Wright (footballer / car thief), Gino D'Acampo (TV chef / Burglary 2 years), Leslie Grantham (actor / 10 years manslaughter), Martin McGuiness (First Minister of Northern Ireland / former provisional IRA & proud owner of a 500 ibs car bomb), Robert Thompson and Jon Venables (child murderers) in 1993 who were apparently rehabilitated, given new identities only to reoffend similarly again in 2010 (Thompson, I think)

                Even in the context of this escalating list of crimes and ex-cons, there's one hell of a gap before we get to Anders Breivik. So like I said Breivik can never rejoin society (under his own identity) and therefore can therfore can never be rehabilitated.

                BTW, I did give you an up-vote because even though I completely disagree with your conclusion, your observations are interesting and add to the debate

                1. Philip Lewis

                  Re: If they were serious about punishment

                  @ proud2bgrumpy

                  You can hardly disagree with my conclusion - "hanging is too good for them" and "lock him up and throw away the key". Those two statements sum up my personal position and are quoted in case you missed them. So, it is hardly likely I want ABB dating my daughter.

                  However, my personal position is irrelevant to discussing the concept of rehabilitation of politically motivated murderers! They exist, have always existed, and apparently rehabilitation happens (proofs by existence).

                  The knee-jerk reactions of some people's posts here need a counterpoint of abstract reflection to demonstrate that those opinions and feelings are not necessarily "truths" in any abstract or logical sense. They are in many cases not even defensible positions to take in many societies.

                  You might look up what some of the now released Baader-Meinhof felons did. These people were very seriously evil. Apparently "society" can and does accept the rehabilitated back, no matter how heinous the crime. Like I said, it is up to the individual to reconcile themselves with this fact, and the society in which they live, or indeed want to live.

                2. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: If they were serious about punishment

                  "BTW, I did give you an up-vote because even though I completely disagree with your conclusion, your observations are interesting and add to the debate"

                  Well said, sir, amongst the peurile humour (guilty, yer honour), the dogmatic moralising grandstanding, the factually wrong, and the purely opinionated, that is the best contribution in this thread.

                  And for all those complaining about supposed trolls, do you not think the whole article has really, really weak tech angle, and is PURELY and simply posted to generate some interest?

    8. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: If they were serious about punishment

      Even better - Windows ME

  2. Trigun Bronze badge
    Trollface

    It's got to be done : "Cardinal Fang! Fetch... the Comfy Chair!"

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Well

      I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

      1. Nick Ryan Silver badge

        Re: Well

        No one ever does...

        1. Roj Blake

          Re: Well

          Actually the Spanish Inquisition used to give people a month's notice before "interviewing" them.

          So pretty much everyone expected them.

  3. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
    Trollface

    Totally sadistic

    "Your XBox One, sir, as requested"

  4. Steve Knox
    Devil

    Give him a tablet...

    With nothing but Flappy Bird on it.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Atari 2600

    Is all he should get.

    1. Lars Silver badge

      Re: Atari 2600

      And a rope.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Atari 2600

      With the ET game.

      1. Tom 35

        Re: Atari 2600

        And one of the cheap folding metal chairs that you expect to fold up under you if you shift your weight.

        1. jonathanb Silver badge

          Re: Atari 2600

          No, he could use that as a weapon. I suggest a bit of foam on the floor.

          1. Oh Homer
            Childcatcher

            Re: Atari 2600

            A bit of foam on the floor?

            Pfft, just let him sit on the cold, hard floor.

            Oh, and take away everything, including his games and his bucket. Then board up his window, let him eat the putrid slops discarded by the prison kitchen, and hose out his cell about once a year, with high pressure, boiling hot water mixed with bleach.

            This a sadistic mass murderer, not a boy scout, and he's supposed to be in prison, not a holiday camp.

            1. Philip Lewis

              Re: Atari 2600

              "This a sadistic mass murderer, .."

              Well, he is a nutter to be sure, but a "sadistic mass murderer" he very definitely is not. You probably should read up on the subject before you have an opinion. He is very definitely a sick puppy with serious psychological issues, but his motivation was clearly political and well thought through. His action was an extremely well executed killing spree intended to strike at the heart of the Norwegian political establishment.

              a) Attack the "head" by blowing up the PMs office and anything nearby

              b) Attack the "roots" by slaughtering the young "blue eyed" recruits to same establishment

              He is exactly, not a sadistic mass murderer.

              The political establishment, the mainstream media and pretty much everyone else has learned the wrong message (if they actually learned anything, which I doubt) from this tragic event. The political establishment has learned nothing and continue to act in a way that more or less guarantees that another Anders Behring Breivik will turn up in the future and do the same dastardly thing.

              And for good measure, so you know where I stand I will throw in a few colloquialisms. "Hanging is too good for him" and "they should lock him up and throw away the key" spring eagerly to mind.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Atari 2600

                "Well, he is a nutter to be sure, but a "sadistic mass murderer" he very definitely is not."

                "He is exactly, not a sadistic mass murderer."

                Well ... he killed 69 people, so he's pretty definitely a mass murderer. Not sure how you get around that. He murdered more than one person. He's a mass murderer. He is, that's what that means. Mass murder. He murdered more than one person. Can't really make that any clearer.

                Is he sadistic? Not sure, haven't read the news reports in a few years. Is your post to make the point that he wasn't sadistic? It's very unclear what point you are trying to make, you're very vague.

                "The political establishment has learned nothing and continue to act in a way that more or less guarantees that another Anders Behring Breivik will turn up in the future and do the same dastardly thing."

                Well, he's been variously diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic, then later as having a narcissistic personality disorder.

                You'll have to walk the rest of us through how you legislate against someone having a mental illness that manifests in violence. Because no'one in the history of the world, so far, has worked that one out, but you seem to think you've more clue than the current legislators. Maybe you do. Considering you're not sure what "mass murder" means though, I'm not hopeful.

                1. Philip Lewis

                  Re: Atari 2600

                  The adjective "sadistic" is what is wrong about the OP. From that incorrect adjective, false conclusions follow. You, likewise chose to ignore that adjective and make out that I do not think ABB is a mass murderer, which is a gross misreading of what I wrote.

                  Judging by the downvotes, you were not the only one who failed to read all of what was written.

                  It did not at all suggest ABB was not a mass murderer as he is by any definition of the adjective "mass" used in connection with "murder". I went on to point out that his crime was not motivated in any way by sexual or other deviant notions, as with a great many mass murders (incl. the "sadistic" ones). Basically, mass murders typically do it because killing people gives them their jollies, though clearly there are lots of variations). ABB is very definitely not one of those - which was my point.

                  FYI: I live in Scandinavia - this all happened in our territory and trust me, we got bombarded from all sides with way more information and op-eds than you can imagine.

                  ABB is certainly a few bob short of a pound, but he is not a sadist and no one to my knowledge has suggested otherwise.

                  The rest of your post is pointless and largely wrong and/or irrelevant because it assumes that I do not think ABB is a mass murderer, a gross misreading of my post. So you, like the post to which I replied, make conclusions based on a false premise.

                  1. Flyberius

                    Re: Atari 2600

                    What is wrong with your brain? You sound like just the sort of person to go out on a shooting spree. You talk as though you believe his actions were justified.

                    No doubt you will have a well crafted response to the following:

                    Fuck you!

                  2. Anonymous Coward
                    Anonymous Coward

                    Re: Atari 2600

                    Hi Phil,

                    Not to keep banging over the same ground, but you literally said

                    "Well, he is a nutter to be sure, but a "sadistic mass murderer" he very definitely is not."

                    "He is exactly, not a sadistic mass murderer."

                    That's not you saying "he's not sadistic". That's you saying "He's not a sadistic mass murderer". Twice.

                    So I addressed the "mass murderer" part (err, yes he is) and you've confirmed you agree. Great!

                    I then asked if your point was that he's not sadistic, because it was hard to tell what your point was. Apparently your point was that he's not sadistic. Great!

                    Hope you don't mind a quick tip - Next time it would be better, if you, in your original post, were to say (twice), something along the lines of;

                    "Well, he is a nutter to be sure, but "sadistic" he very definitely is not."

                    AND

                    "He is exactly, not 'sadistic' "

                    Because then it's clearer what you meant. Because you've missed the "mass murderer" bit off both times. See? Great!

                    I also asked why you mentioned legislation, because it seems we're agreed that he has violent mental health issues, and you seemed to suggest that could be legislated against - when you wrote (and sorry to keep quoting you, but it helps, when addressing things that YOU wrote, that didn't make much sense to me, as a reader, to reference the bits you wrote that made no sense whatsoever. Okay? Great! )

                    So, you said

                    "The political establishment, the mainstream media and pretty much everyone else has learned the wrong message (if they actually learned anything, which I doubt) from this tragic event. The political establishment has learned nothing and continue to act in a way that more or less guarantees that another Anders Behring Breivik will turn up in the future and do the same dastardly thing."

                    Afraid I still don't understand that. What should they legislate that would prevent another Anders Behring Breivik type character, a man with violent mental health issues (who isn't sadistic), doing something similar in future?

                    Sorry about the confusion with the whole "you obviously didn't mean to say he's not a mass murderer" thing, it's just you wrote (twice) that he's "not a sadistic mass murderer", so I jumped to the conclusion that you meant "he's not a sadistic mass murderer", and not that you ACTUALLY meant "he's not sadistic". Sorry about that, I'm easily confused when people write things they don't mean, and I read them.

                    Have a Great! day

                    1. Philip Lewis
                      Headmaster

                      Re: Atari 2600

                      Ask your parents to get your school fees refunded.

                      "In grammar, an adjective is a 'describing' word; the main syntactic role of which is to qualify a noun or noun phrase, giving more information about the object signified.[1]"

                      1. Anonymous Coward
                        Anonymous Coward

                        Re: Atari 2600

                        Yes, but you do have to be explicit that you're querying the use of the adjective, and not a three word phrase when you write your posts Philip, or else no'one knows what you mean. Because people cannot read your mind.

                        If I write "I wouldn't say that you're an intransigent mouth breather", is it clear that I only object to the adjective? Or could I perhaps be objecting to the entire three word phrase? Could my meaning be misunderstood?

                        Why yes, my intended meaning could be misunderstood, so the onus is on me to rephrase it more clearly, IF I want my meaning to be understood.

                        That said, I'm not sure you do want to be understood. Or you'd have explained the legislative point I've twice queried.

                        1. Philip Lewis

                          Re: Atari 2600

                          "That said, I'm not sure you do want to be understood. Or you'd have explained the legislative point I've twice queried."

                          Your legislative question is logically irrelevant because it assumes a government can only act legislatively. This is simply incorrect. A question so formed as to require an untruth to be true, cannot be logically answered.

                          1. Anonymous Coward
                            Anonymous Coward

                            Re: Atari 2600

                            ""That said, I'm not sure you do want to be understood. Or you'd have explained the legislative point I've twice queried."

                            Your legislative question is logically irrelevant because it assumes a government can only act legislatively. This is simply incorrect. A question so formed as to require an untruth to be true, cannot be logically answered."

                            That's just gibberish. You can't logically answer the question? A question that simply asks you to explain the point you were trying to make, because it's unclear what your point was?

                            You're making yourself look increasingly ridiculous here Phil

                    2. Philip Lewis

                      Re: Atari 2600

                      I said,

                      "Well, he is a nutter to be sure, but a "sadistic mass murderer" he very definitely is not."

                      "He is exactly, not a sadistic mass murderer."

                      Perhaps this will help you understand why you need to keep adjectives and nouns together.

                      "Well, Stevie Wonder is sane to be sure, but a "white musician" he is very definitely not."

                      "He is exactly, not a a white musician"

                      1. Anonymous Coward
                        Anonymous Coward

                        Re: Atari 2600

                        Hi Phil,

                        Are you genuinely trying to say you NEED to say "he is a nutter to be sure, but a sadistic mass murderer he very definitely is not.", and you couldn't convey your intended meaning more clearly by writing "he is a nutter to be sure, but he is very definitely not sadistic"

                        Is english your second language? Ever heard of predicates? You absolutely did NOT need "mass murderer" in either of your sentences to convey your intended meaning.

                        http://wals.info/chapter/61

                        1. Philip Lewis
                          Headmaster

                          Re: Atari 2600

                          I didn't put the adjective there, the original poster did and I responded to that.

                          The poster did so to modify the obvious truth statement that ABB is a mass murderer. Since he chose to modify "mass murderer" with "sadistic", I responded, pointing out that his statement is incorrect and so on.

                          Adjectives can modify the noun they precede of the adjective they precede when two or more adjectives are used consecutively.

                          a sadistic mass murderer - sadistic modifies murderer

                          a minor mass murderer - minor modifies mass since murderer is an absolute

                          a sadistic minor mass murderer - sadistic modifies the noun again

                          In all cases there is a murderer and some kind of mass murderer, at no point does the extra precision afforded by adjectives imply semantically or syntactically that the noun is not understood or that it is no longer relevant. Pulling the nouns apart from the adjectives (and the adjectives from each other) and going off on a long misinformed rant after having done so, is misleading and logically invalid. It really is an intentional and gross misreading of my post.

                          "Stevie wonder is a white soul* musician" is not a statement of truth

                          "Stevie wonder is not a white soul musician" is a truth statement

                          Stevie, God bless him, remains in both cases a soul musician.

                          *choose your best genre here.

                      2. Anonymous Coward
                        Anonymous Coward

                        Re: Atari 2600

                        Fucking hell Philip, what are you on about with the Stevie Wonder example? He is a fucking musician.

                        If your point is that he's not white, just say "But white he is not". How fucking hard is that?

                        You don't put "But a "white musician" he is not", when you're trying to say he's not white. Why would you do that? That's just stupid.

                        HE IS A MUSICIAN. YOU'VE JUST SAID HE'S NOT A WHITE MUSICIAN. WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY "HE'S NOT WHITE".

                        It's actually easier to form the sentence without clumsily shoehorning in the word "musician", which is wildly irrelevant in the context you invented for the sentence.

              2. Oh Homer
                Childcatcher

                Re: "not a sadistic mass murderer"

                A political motive does not somehow justify murdering innocent children, nor would it account for his total lack of remorse and compassion for those he murdered.

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: "not a sadistic mass murderer"

                  "A political motive does not somehow justify murdering innocent children,.."

                  No one said it did! Massive comprehension/logic failure.

                  What it does is explain the event. The same way it explains many terrorist and other acts throughout history.

                  As for remorse, he "believes" and that is a defining characteristic of political mass murderers through human history - and this guy is a beginner compared to the Pol Pots of the world and other seriously evil politically driven individuals.

                  This particular evil bastard targeted adolescents specifically as well as adults and random bystanders. I fail to see why he is any worse than any other politically motivated terrorist.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Atari 2600

      Pitfall and Yars Revenge would keep me happy if I was on a desert island!

    4. Elmer Phud

      Re: Atari 2600

      ZX Spectrum with a wobbly* RAM pack and a microdrive.

      *standard issue.

      He'll end up spending more time reloading than playing Wilf.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Atari 2600

        That was the ZX81 - and the most advanced game he should have is Gulpman.... not even one of the really nice Hi-Res ZX81 games that have been released recently, and shown on the World of Spectrum forums :-)

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    My heart bleeds for him.

    Not.

    1. TheOtherHobbes

      Re: My heart bleeds for him.

      That's the thing about nutters - they think and act like nutters.

      Mind you, if he'd gone for a career in politics he could have killed a lot more people and had a nice well-paid run on the lecture circuit afterwards.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Holmes

      Send him to Texas

      We know exactly what to do with folks like him.

      Death Row at the Huntsville, Texas federal prison wouldn't include a Playstation 2 or 3. And definitely not a weekly monetary stipend.

      But he would be "free" in a much shorter period of time than in Norway, in a manner of speaking. As per the latest Hobbit movie, his disgusting head would be soon freed from his worthless neck.

      1. Elmer Phud

        Re: Send him to Texas

        "We know exactly what to do wit folks like him.

        Death Row at the Huntsville, Texas federal prison wouldn't include a Playstation 2 or 3. And definitely not a weekly monetary stipend."

        But the drugs don't work.

        Why give him a relatively quick finish, why make a martyr of hm?

        He can have my El-Cheapo Nokia phone and put up with Snake - and only Snake.

      2. leenex

        Re: Send him to Texas

        Breivik shot a lot of 'commie bastards'. By the sound of it, if he ever went to Texas, he'd be Governor.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          FAIL

          Re: Send him to Texas

          I heard he shot a bunch of kids and teenagers.

          Odd sense of humor you've got there, little man. I didn't know it was open season on the political leanings of dead kids.

          1. Yesnomaybe

            Re: Send him to Texas

            I think it was more a comment on the political leanings of Texans.

  7. Vociferous

    He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

    He also complained about how censoring of his letters amounted to denying him is freedom of expression. If he was a small child his naive cluelessness would be endearing.

    The thing with psychopaths is that while they intellectually understand why they're in prison, they still don't feel they deserve punishment, because they only killed unimportant normal people who do not matter, while they themselves of course are the most important people on the planet.

    It probably baffles Breivik that Europe isn't engulfed in a civil war catalyzed by his heroic murder of defenseless teenagers, and that there aren't huge demonstrations protesting that Breivik is inhumanely denied a Playstation 3.

    I hope Norway doesn't go all humanitarian and gives him parole. I hope that 35 years from now he still hasn't set foot outside the prison. Rot in hell Breivik, you deranged fucking justification for capital punishment.

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      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

        " (particularly of equality, fair-mindedness and justice) "

        Yes, obviously adherering to politicall correct principals are the most important consideration when dealing with someone who killed over 70 kids.

        I'm really beginning to wonder if the liberal ideology in scandinavia is more of a religion than a political point of view as they seem to cling onto it like a life raft regardless of anything that happens in the real world.

        "I fully expect that when his release finally comes up it will be debated - fairly and justly - for about a minute before time is added to his sentence"

        Oh I'm sure some deluded bleeing hearts will crawl out from under their festering rocks and appeal for him to be released for "rehabilitation".

        The best thing that could happen to Brevik would be to be put in a locked room with the parents of those kids while the guards turn a blind eye for half an hour.

        1. Naughtyhorse

          Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

          Given those parents are neither muslim fundamentalists or americans, but Norwegians you may be surprised at the outcome.

          Thing is with being better than some people, it actually requires that you sometimes be better.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

            "Given those parents are neither muslim fundamentalists or americans, but Norwegians you may be surprised at the outcome."

            I'm sure even the occasional norwegian has a pair of balls.

            "Thing is with being better than some people, it actually requires that you sometimes be better."

            Which is another way of saying you wouldn't have the balls to take revenge against your murdered child. That says a lot about your sort.

            1. M Gale

              Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

              Ganging up on a single person to beat the living shit out of them takes balls?

              Really?

              1. Naughtyhorse

                Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

                yup

                it's the merkin way

                first the naive Americans

                then the Africans

                then the Irish

                then the Chinese

                the the Japanese (hell! they all look the same anyways boy!)

                then the poles and the Germans

                Italians

                ...

                and on

                and on and on

            2. Naughtyhorse

              Re:It sure does...

              I have more than 2 brain cells to rub together.

              My political/social[ideological agenda extends further than "ME ME ME ME ME ME"

              My mother and father were not at all closely related.

              I live in the real world.

              I am _not_ a merkin.

              Try to imagine my lack of surprise that you failed to understand the premise of my comments, an have demonstrated yourself to be exactly the same kind of degenerate 'thinker' as Breivik.

              U

              S

              A

              fuck yeah!

              lol

            3. John Hughes

              Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

              "I'm sure even the occasional norwegian has a pair of balls."

              But they don't use them to think with.

            4. Elmer Phud

              Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

              'I'm sure even the occasional norwegian has a pair of balls.'

              'Which is another way of saying you wouldn't have the balls to take revenge '

              I bet your nuts are so big you can't put your knees together, a real MAN {tm}

              Revenge -- ah, now we see.

              No 'justice', just revenge.

              You are so weak.

            5. NogginTheNog

              "revenge against your murdered child"

              "An eye for an eye makes us all blind".

              But hey that was said by a brown skinned religious fella so you may not have heard of it.

            6. Cheshire Cat
              Stop

              Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

              "Which is another way of saying you wouldn't have the balls to take revenge against your murdered child. That says a lot about your sort."

              You appear to think that murdering someone for revenge is a brave and praiseworthy act, and that it somehow makes you better than the person you killed.

              You are incorrect. It does, however, explain a lot about the sorry state of the USA at the moment (but please correct me if I am wrong about you be from that country)

            7. DiViDeD Silver badge

              Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

              "Which is another way of saying you wouldn't have the balls to take revenge against your murdered child. That says a lot about your sort."

              If anything sums up the cultural divide, it's that one sentence. To a merkin, there HAS to be 'revenge'. If you are not prepared to kill SOMEONE because you have been hurt, then you have 'no balls'.

              So a coward seeks to preserve his or her hard won standards when dealing with a hideous crime. And in the case of Norway, demonstrated that justice can be done without resorting to mob violence.

              A REAL man (one assumes the merkins have no desire for their women to grow testicles at this point) grabs his gun, yells "America! Fuck Yeah!" and immediately guns down the nearest convenient (and if possible, defenceless) target, apparently in the hope that killing someone will bring their lost ones back.

              Life's not much fun when your 'World policeman' is a gun toting psychopath with an 'Eye for an eye' T shirt.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

                "If anything sums up the cultural divide, it's that one sentence. To a merkin, there HAS to be 'revenge'. If you are not prepared to kill SOMEONE because you have been hurt, then you have 'no balls'."

                Yeah , just one minor thing - I'm not an american, I'm european. Not everyone in europe is a spineless feminised wimp like you.

                Still, its easy for you all you lot to tread the right on , turn the other cheek line to get all the kudos from other comfortable middle class lefties like yourselves, but I promise you , if someone ever did something to your child if would be a different story. And anyone who didn't wish revenge - yes revenge , I know , a dirty word to all the bien pensant types on here - on someone who murdered their child has no business being a parent in the first place.

          2. CheesyTheClown

            Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

            All of the parents are Norwegian, but many are "footballers". I've learned the hard way during a father-son game of football when my son was 3 that Norwegians compartmentalize. When I was passed the ball, a normally very passive father smashed me in the chest with his shoulder, laid me out, took the ball and kept going. I was like "Isn't this supposed to be a friendly game?", the other guys explained that football wasn't a game, it's a sport and the kids should learn that. I later watched two boys, about eight years old practicing a football move where their fathers were offering tips. The move was how to smash into another player and steal the ball in a way that would hit hard enough to knock the other kid down without getting penalized for it. The fathers were saying "Good job, now try this".

            One of my neighbors worked as a prison guard of ABB's holding leading up to the trial. He told me that the biggest problem was keeping him alive. They had to make sure he didn't kill himself and that no one got access to him.

            Most Norwegians believe (rightfully so) that prison is about removing criminals from the public until such time as they have been rehabilitated. They then make an honest attempt to help rehabilitate them and ease them back into society. When they are released, they have programs such as student aid and others to help them reintegrate into the world.

            All that being said, I don't expect ABB to make it more than 10 steps from the prison when he is released. One of those footballer fathers is going to be there waiting.

          3. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

            Thing is with being better than some people, it actually requires that you sometimes be better.

            Which is absolutely valueless if those people and those who believe and support their twisted ways only view your 'being better' as weakness.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

              WOW 3 people who don't get/like that their liberalist values are viewed by many in the world as weakness.

              1. DiViDeD Silver badge

                Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

                "3 people who don't get/like that their liberalist values are viewed by many in the world as weakness"

                And several more who don't like the idea that their kneejerk reaction of 'I can't be bothered to consider the ramifications, let's just kill someone' is generally regarded outside the US as a sign of morally deficient dickheadedness.

                Takes all sorts I suppose.

                Interesting that it's the people (esp merkins) who were entirely untouched by this event who are calling for blood and disembowelling, while the Norwegians are calling for the rule of law.

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

                  while the Norwegians are calling for the rule of law.

                  Which in the opinions of many passes sentences which are very good examples of weak western liberalism, including this Brit.

        2. Terry Barnes

          Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

          "I'm really beginning to wonder if the liberal ideology in scandinavia is more of a religion than a political point of view as they seem to cling onto it like a life raft regardless of anything that happens in the real world."

          You mean their astonishingly low crime rate and a murder rate the envy of the word? Those kinds of things that happen in the real world? Equality, fair-mindedness and justice aren't some form of hypothetical politically correct concepts, they're how modern nation states should operate.

          Abandoning their principles because of Breivik would award him a victory for his terrorism - he would have achieved the societal change he intended.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

            "Equality, fair-mindedness and justice aren't some form of hypothetical politically correct concepts, they're how modern nation states should operate."

            Sadly norways idea of justice for a mass child murderer is putting him in a cosy prison with a playstation.

            Sorry - that is just pathetic , and the whole liberal mindset is pathetic and weak.

            Oh , and btw - its easy to have a low crime rate with a lot of happy smiley citizens when you're sitting on a trillion dollars worth of oil.

            1. Vociferous

              Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

              > norways idea of justice for a mass child murderer is putting him in a cosy prison with a playstation.

              So? The punishment is being locked up.

            2. Terry Barnes

              Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

              "Sadly norways idea of justice for a mass child murderer is putting him in a cosy prison with a playstation."

              An eye for an eye leaves us all blind. Violence begets violence. Norway's response was admirable and mature, the sign of a country at peace with itself and confident of its place in the world. Breivik is in a place where he can harm no-one else, no-one has been made a martyr for others to avenge or imitate, Norwegians continue their lives in the manner they did before. Your anger says more about you than it does about Norway.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

                "An eye for an eye leaves us all blind"

                Does it? Someone should have told all the people who fought against Hitler that.

                Or maybe they'd have better things to do that listen to someone spouting tired old biblical pacifist cliches.

                "Your anger says more about you than it does about Norway."

                And your laid back indifference shows what an easy untroubled comfortable life you've had.

            3. h4rm0ny

              Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

              "Oh , and btw - its easy to have a low crime rate with a lot of happy smiley citizens when you're sitting on a trillion dollars worth of oil."

              America is sitting on a lot more oil than Norway. (Both their own and other people's). And the crime rate in the USA is?

        3. Vociferous

          Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

          > I'm really beginning to wonder if the liberal ideology in scandinavia is more of a religion than a political point of view

          Yes, it has taken on religion-like qualities. Anyone who disagrees with its core tenets (like, say, nazis or people opposed to islam do) is treated as a heretic and shouted down; it is even illegal. Immigration and islam are particularly sensitive, it simply isn't done to criticize islam in any way, and currently a member of the ruling conservative party of Sweden is being expelled from his party because he tweeted that Sweden should not accept more immigrants from Syria than it could afford (in context one should know that Sweden automatically affords permanent residency to all immigrants from Syria, plus to all of their family members).

          There is also an odd strain of self-loathing running through it all: it is politically sensitive to oppose female genital mutilation, forced marriage, or child brides, and will automatically be met with charges of racism and statements to the effect that western culture is worse.

          So yeah, Scandinavia is not paradise, and it has arguably elevated political correctness to state religion, but I'll still take that over the militarism and robber capitalism of the GOP.

          1. dilbert77

            Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

            Wow. Any sources for this information?

            1. Mr Tumnus

              Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

              "Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

              Wow. Any sources for this information?"

              Do they not have Google where you live?

              http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20270325

              1. Sir Runcible Spoon

                @Boltar the ball-brained

                It's one thing for a person to desire revenge upon someone who has taken away a loved one, but to destabilize your entire culture with knee-jerk reactions from the government is another matter entirely.

                We have shown, here in the UK (and the other madhouse across the pond) that these kind of overly-emotional reactions result in poor policy and a tendency to let every single negative thing that happens put fear into the populace against 'the enemy'. This fear leads to nationalism, xenophobia and racism, which fuels the whole 'hate machine'.

                Please explain to me again how this prevents similar atrocities happening again? (As opposed to creating a fertile breeding ground for fundamentalists of all stripes).

                The grown up (i.e. emotionally mature) response to this heinous crime would be to treat the killer as you would any other criminal with mental health issues and not let your emotions put you in a position where you lose even more of your identity.

                However, that said, you go right ahead and kill and hate and feel somehow superior to the 'weak' liberals. I expect we'll see you on the news one day eh?

                For what it's worth, not being an angry, irrational, vengeance filled person doesn't mean you are weak and are unable to make a stand for the things you believe in.

                1. Philip Lewis

                  Re: @Boltar the ball-brained

                  Thank you Sir Runcible!

                  +1 from me

        4. Naughtyhorse

          Re: cling onto it like a life raft

          norway experienced a terrorist attack, that shocked each and every Norwegian (poetic licence required - probably not _everybody_) to the core, and the states response?

          They apprehended the bad guy, and gave him a fair trial, convicted him, and then sentenced him in-line with the existing judicial framework, and he is now incarcerated as a common criminal in their prison system.

          In 2001 the US experienced a terrorist attack, that shocked each and every american (except the CIA sponsors) to the core. and the states response was;

          They invaded Afghanistan

          They invaded Iraq

          (though neither country was involved)

          stripped the american people of the rights they constantly bang on and on about (patriot act)

          established a concentration camp in Cuba - when largely innocent men with beards where detained without charge indefinitely.

          Massively stepped up their campaign of covert surveillance of it's own population.

          completely disable their aviation industry.

          Sometimes the only two options are;

          a) cling to this here life-raft

          b) drown

          I guess it takes a special kind of 'freedom' to understand that.

          1. Vociferous

            Re: cling onto it like a life raft

            Well, Breivik was a lone nut (literally too crazy for Stormfront), while Al Qaeda was a major organization working with and supported by the Taliban government of Afghanistan. And Norway doesn't have the resources to attack any other country even if it wanted to. So, not exactly equivalent situations.

            1. h4rm0ny

              Re: cling onto it like a life raft

              "And Norway doesn't have the resources to attack any other country even if it wanted to. So, not exactly equivalent situations."

              Is it your contention then that Norway wants to attack an unrelated country (as Iraq was unrelated to 9/11) and that the difference is simply that it lacks resources? No? Then in what way is your comment an actual rebuttal of what the GP said? Just accept that not every nation is like the USA.

              1. Vociferous

                Re: cling onto it like a life raft

                > Is it your contention then that Norway wants to attack an unrelated country

                No that is obviously NOT what I said. Pretending that the person you're arguing with has said something he hasn't sure makes his argument easier to knock down, but it's still dishonest debating tactics. Fuck you right back.

                > as Iraq was unrelated to 9/11

                Maybe that's why I said Afghanistan and not Iraq?

                Any more strawman arguments you'd like to invent? Perhaps I'm arguing that Norway wants to nuke Iran?

                1. h4rm0ny

                  Re: cling onto it like a life raft

                  >>"No that is obviously NOT what I said. Pretending that the person you're arguing with has said something he hasn't sure makes his argument easier to knock down, but it's still dishonest debating tactics. Fuck you right back"

                  No strawman - you deliberately cut off the second part of what I wrote immediately after asking "Is it your contention that..." which was "No? Then how is what you wrote a rebuttal to what was actually said". My post is right above yours for anyone to check.

                  But the thing is, YOU raised the argument that "Norway lacks the resources to attack" so now that you're agreeing with me that it's irrelevant, can we discard that? I mean it only really does lead to the argument which I hypothetically raised and then dismissed (myself) and which you agree is academic because Norway don't want to attack anyone else.

                  >>"Maybe that's why I said Afghanistan and not Iraq?"

                  The person you were replying to and arguing with talked about Iraq.

            2. Naughtyhorse

              Re: cling onto it like a life raft

              Al Qaeda was invented by the US administration after the first attack on WTC (Rumsfeld and Clinton - both on record admitting this) so they could use RICO legislation to go after OBL for the various embassy attacks he had arranged - there was no other mechanism for them to do this (this was back in the old days when uncle sam still gave a fuck about the word of law.)

              The 1/2 dozen blokes that made up AQ (they had to buy in goons from Islamic jihad to act as extras in their videos FFS) were backed by SAUDI money. the Taliban never gave a fuck about AQ - all the taliban was ever about was to run their islamic state and kick the shit out of their own people - they really dont give a fuck about us infidels! This is a huge ideological divide between AQ and all other islamic bad guys. those guys really couldn't care less about us, AQ does.

              Norway has one of the richest populations in the world! (they are ALL millionaires - oil money)

              and finally the _point_ of my post. the bit you most egregiously failed to get.

              Norway was attacked and stood by it's beliefs. (clung to the raft)

              America was attacked and diched _EVERYTHING_ it ever stood for. (drowned)

              "In matters of principle, stand like a rock." as your Thomas Jefferson put it

              america this century? a bunch of whining pussy losers.

              _now_ do you get it?

              I didn't think so

              1. Vociferous

                Re: cling onto it like a life raft

                > Al Qaeda was invented by the US administration after the first attack on WTC (Rumsfeld and Clinton - both on record admitting this) so they could use RICO legislation to go after OBL for the various embassy attacks

                Why are you getting upvotes for lies? Seriously, people, get your brains in gear -- he's spouting conspiracy theory fantasy.

                1. Naughtyhorse

                  Re: cling onto it like a life raft

                  It's a fact

                  but then people of your political persuasion, who watch the same 'news' channel as you are well known to suffer a fatal fact allergy.

                  ana-fact-laxys if you will.

                  i thankyew

            3. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: cling onto it like a life raft

              As I understand it, "Al-queda" is more like Anonymous - a loose confederation of small groups that only come together in general terms. At least that's what MI5 was saying about them. They were not a "major organisation working with and supported by" the Taliban. In fact 9/11 was mostly conducted by Saudi nationals, and Osama Bin Laden was a member of a family who were best mates with the Bushes.

              And you still haven't "explained" the Patriot Act, and how that relates to Afghanistan. Or, more especially, Iraq.

              Your disinformation narrative presumably comes direct from Langley, Va.

              1. Naughtyhorse

                Re: cling onto it like a life raft

                The patriot act effectively revoked the;

                1st

                4th

                5th

                6th

                7th

                8th

                10th

                and 14th amendments

                but you clearly didnt notice, or are too afraid to say anything

              2. Vociferous

                Re: cling onto it like a life raft

                > And you still haven't "explained" the Patriot Act, and how that relates to Afghanistan. Or, more especially, Iraq.

                Why the fuck would I? I haven't even mentioned Iraq or the Patriot act! You ARE aware that Iraq and Afghanistan are different countries and two different wars, right?

                > 9/11 was mostly conducted by Saudi nationals, and Osama Bin Laden was a member of a family who were best mates with the Bushes.

                It wasn't Saudi Arabia which hosted and supported Al Qaeda, it was the Taliban government of Afghanistan. It wasn't the bin Laden family which ordered the attack on the WTC, it was Osama.

                You know, when I asked you to invent more strawman arguments, I didn't actually mean it. Please stop fucking making shit up and pretending it's something I've said.

            4. Trygve Henriksen

              Norway doesn't have the resources to attack another country?

              Gosh...

              I guess that all those FSK/HJK troops we sent to Afghanistan(among the first to arrive) did nothing, then?

              (The FSK is ranked among the top 3 special forces in the world by many)

              And the F-16s we sent to bomb Libya, who flew sorties almost constantly?

              (The only other country with matching flight-hours per plane was Denmark.)

              'Targets taken out at a tenth the cost'...

              (compared to British missiles, at least)

              No, we don't have big nuclear subs to threaten with. But our diesel-electrics are feared every time there's a big naval exercise.

              One, on its way home from patrolling the mediterranean, passed undetected under the heavy blockade of the Gibraltar strait.

              Occupy a country?

              No. But we sure as H! can mess it up completely...

        5. Elmer Phud

          Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

          "politicall correct"

          P.C. actually was born from people like yourself who constantly drone on about 'something must be done'. But that 'something' often ends up affecting directly the whingers who then moan that 'it's PC gone mad' .

          You wanted it, you demanded it, now fucking live with it!

      2. kwhitefoot

        Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

        Just thought I should second this.

        I live in Norway and flew to Heathrow less than two weeks after Utøya. The first intemperate remark I heard on the subject came not from a Norwegian but from the woman at the car hire counter at Heathrow who's first words to me when she saw my Norwegian driving licence were "I hope he hangs". Public discussion on the subject in Norway, with few exceptions, has been measured and rational while discussion outside has been often hysterical. Almost no one in Norway is untouched by this atrocity, almost everyone either knows someone who was there or has a friend or close relative who does, yet calls for savage retribution were few and widely condemned in favour of upholding the law and constitution. The then prime minister made it clear that Breivik was to be treated as the criminal that he is and that no laws would be changed in response, that he would not be treated as a special case but merely as an extreme one.

        1. Elmer Phud

          Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

          "the woman at the car hire counter at Heathrow who's first words to me when she saw my Norwegian driving licence were "I hope he hangs".

          Welcome to the standard braying UKIP supporter.

    2. Paul 135

      Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

      Do you really think he is making these petty demands seriously? More likely, I would have thought they were a tactic to rub the faces of those in charge of the liberal system when they pathetically grant everything the prisoner demands.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

      He also complained, before his imprisonment, that Norwegians aren't tough enough and that there needs to be harsh punishment for whiners.

      Accede to that demand.

    4. Thorne

      Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.

      I hope his complaint about hand lotion was because his cellmate wasn't using lube.....

  8. Eddy Ito

    You can lead a horse to water but I'm not going to cry him a river or something like that. I'm all in favor of his right to self determination and choosing to not eat. Once his needs are provided for, since I don't see how the state has a right to force feed him, the state's obligations are met. I'm sorry but video games don't fall under needs. If he wants intellectual stimulation let him read a book. I recommend he try the Iliad, Odyssey, Dao De Jing, Heart Sutra and maybe some Thoreau for starters. Who know, he might even find it more interesting than 541 laps of Super Mario Cart.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Keeping him alive is such a good option

      "You can lead a horse to water but I'm not going to cry him a river or something like that. I'm all in favor of his right to self determination and choosing to not eat. Once his needs are provided for, since I don't see how the state has a right to force feed him, the state's obligations are met."

      I say "not".

      I think the best thing would be to allow this fellow to starve himself, out of protest, close to death. Then, weak and frail, take him into the infirmary, strap him down completely immobile, and force intravenous feed him.

      He'll complain that 'we don't have the right to do that!" but I believe that we DO. IMHO in essence the imprisonment is a enforcement that the state OWNS YOUR BODY as punishment for your actions. We can't torture you - that is mental anguish, and we don't own the mind - but the BODY has been made to pay for your crimes with unusual restrictions so it is within our right to keep you alive as long as possible to pay your social debt.

      Have a nice life - we're going to extend it as long as we possibly can. You owe a LOT of people a LOT of payback.

      Actually...I just thought of a better idea!!! Let the Norwegian government say "We don't acquiesce to your demands", wash their hands of him...and then DEPORT HIM TO NORTH KOREA and "allow" him to receive their forms of punishment.

      I like that idea SO much better. :-) Let him get a taste of how cushy his current life really is.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I'm all in favor of his right to self determination and choosing to not eat. Once his needs are provided for, since I don't see how the state has a right to force feed him, the state's obligations are met.

      I'm surprised that they bother feeding him at all, let alone give him choices about whether to eat or not.

      I wonder if his victims would have appreciated having some choices? Like the choice whether to be shot or not? I wonder about the thought processes of those who demand and campaign for his right to have choices when he so readily deprived so many of any choice. I can't help wondering how those who feel free to forcibly make choices for others, expect to retain their rights to make choices at all. Most of all I wonder where the punishment is? Why are crimes not punished anymore? What is it in the liberalist agenda which has 'loss of freedom' down as being some kind of punishment. To the extent that such loss is enough punishment for any crime, no matter how many died brutal deaths. Murder 70 people, and the worst the liberal societies of the west will do to you is takeaway your right to freedom of movement. They won't even take away your right to play video games.

      WTF happened to "the punishment being seen to fit the crime", so that justice can be seen to be "being done"?

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Microsoft missed an opportunity here

    Playstations: The preferred console of both Saddam Hussein and Anders Brevik.

    XBox: Responsible for no war crimes.

    Then again, Nintendo could jump in with 'Nintendo: Inspiring friendly sibling rivalry and, err, spontaneous attempts at virtual Tennis'

  10. Lamb0
    Devil

    Want more?

    Quick, somebody send him some more kiddie games! (Preschool is fine.) BTW, don't forget to pipe in appropriate music 24/7... the theme from Bobby's World will do for a start. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqQjpTbHR0A

    1. Fibbles

      Re: Want more?

      Surely the repetitive song from the multi-cultural Disneyland ride It's a Small World would be more effective?

      The English portion:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jiaU0xbOKs

      Though it actually loops in about a dozen different languages, sometimes played simultaneously. This video gives a better impression of its true horror:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bNWkXvNDTE#t=3m50s

      1. willi0000000
        Pint

        Re: Want more?

        that's fiendish.

        for you -------------------------------------------------------------------->

      2. iniudan
        Pint

        Re: Want more?

        I prefer the Duff portion of the ride:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1fz627Gj2Y

    2. jake Silver badge

      @ Lamb0 (was: Re: Want more?)

      Earworms only work on the irrational.

  11. Charles Manning

    "You put me in hell"

    Naah mate, *you* put *yourself* there. Unless you man up and take responsibility for your own life, you're not going anywhere in life.

    Entitlement anongst the citizenry is bad enough, but prisoners... bah!

    Here in NZ our Green Party said prisoners should be fed organic vegetables. I don't see why not, the prisoners have lots of time on their hands and can grow their own.

    1. murri

      Re: "You put me in hell"

      but he isn't going anywhere...

  12. 2+2=5 Silver badge
    FAIL

    "access to a PC instead of a typewriter"

    Talk about first-world problems. Hitler never let the lack of a PC stop him from getting his insanity down on paper while in prison. Man-up Breivik.

  13. JustWondering
    Thumb Down

    Sure thing mate.

    My unofficial response is "F*ck off". Give him nothing but a deck of cards with three missing.

    1. John Savard Silver badge

      Re: Sure thing mate.

      Even one missing will do for him to play solitare until dawn.

  14. Mark 85 Silver badge

    On the other hand,

    At least he didn't threaten to hold his breath until he turns blue... What's next? Lying on floor and kicking and crying?

  15. Jamie Jones Silver badge
    Unhappy

    I'm sure the parents.......

    .... of the 69 teenagers he slaughrered would love their children to be able to play a playstation2.

    Die slowly and painfully you sicko freak

  16. J.G.Harston Silver badge

    You go to prison *AS* punishment, not *FOR* punishment. The imprisonment *ITSELF* is the punishment.

    1. Naughtyhorse

      agreed

      and part of that punishment is being segregated from the wider community.... and not having a playstation!

      or a tv

      or a radio

      no books

      no newspapers

      if he needs something to occupy his mind, give him a chair with one leg missing - sitting on that 18 hours a day will focus what passes for a mind in his case.

      he killed 70 people, young people

      he should have plenty to think about for the next 50 or so years.

  17. willi0000000

    Imprisoned Norwegian mass murderer says PlayStation 2 is 'KILLING HIM'

    good.

  18. jake Silver badge

    ::shrugs::

    Call him on it. Let him starve himself to death. Who would cry?

    On the otherhand, just take him out behind the barn & put a bullet in his head and save the prison system some money. He's not human, he's a feral animal. Put him out of our misery.

    1. Ken Hagan Gold badge

      Re: ::shrugs::

      See Mycho's comment, a little below, but also...

      In his case, the guilt is pretty clear, but in would-be-capital cases in general the evidence is more ambiguous. By never executing anyone, society avoids the impossible problem of where to draw the line. Given the small number of cases, rather than have a hugely complicated decision-making process, it is probably cheaper just to give up and always just imprison for life. (I believe that's what they've found in the US, which is hardly "a soft touch" in these matters, but has enough of a legal system that the cost of repeated appeals on a capital sentence exceeds the cost of imprisonment.)

      So it's cheaper AND the bad guys don't like it.

      1. Hud Dunlap
        FAIL

        @ Ken Hagen

        Read this about Kenneth Mc Duff.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_McDuff

        He raped and murdered a teenage girl, kill her two friends and was sentenced to death. Then he got out and killed some more. the book "Bad Boy from Rosebud" is absolutely terrifying because it shows how many times he should have been in Jail and got back out to kill again.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: @ Ken Hagen

          If he was able to talk his way out of jail so many times what makes anybody think he wouldn't have been able to talk his way out of the death penalty just as casually?

          1. John Hughes

            Re: @ Ken Hagen

            If you read the original comment:

            "He raped and murdered a teenage girl, kill her two friends and was sentenced to death. Then he got out and killed some more. "

            So he *did* talk his way out of a death sentence.

      2. DrXym Silver badge

        Re: ::shrugs::

        I don't think it is impossible to draw the line so much as set an extremely high bar for the standard of proof, a very narrow framework when the penalty is available and a procedure which must be followed to the letter for the penalty to apply.

  19. Crafty volt 7

    I have a ZX81

    Plays pong great!!

    Just needs a 1977 TV to realize nirvana ..

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Thumb Up

      Re: I have a ZX81

      Binatone. That is all. No really, that is all.

  20. PhilK
    WTF?

    Are you sure...

    he's not at a resort instead of a prison, because I have acquaintances who have done time in the federal pen (2+ years) and the conditions they described to me are considerably worse than what this whack-job gets to enjoy.

    1. Vociferous

      Re: Are you sure...

      > not at a resort instead of a prison

      Yeah, well, the problem isn't that the Norwegian prison system is too nice (I'm pretty sure that being locked up for 20+ years in a small room sucks even with a playstation), it's that the US prison system is a disgrace.

  21. Lost in Cyberspace

    Oh I'm sorry

    Does he not already have access to a bed, water, air, toilet and daylight?

  22. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Execute the bastard

    He should have been executed when convicted.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Execute the bastard

      He wanted to be executed. All the more reason to keep him alive. Anyone who would follow his example will know that they are following a whiny shit who can't live without his hand lotion instead of a brave pioneer who wasn't afraid to die for his beliefs.

      1. Vociferous

        Re: Execute the bastard

        > He wanted to be executed.

        Nah, that was just talk. He's a psychopath, he wants to be adored and recognized for the ubermensch that he thinks he is. His act in the court was just an act -- the fake crying, the grandstanding, all of it, was his idea of how to best play the resistance hero he thinks he is.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          @Vociferous

          I agree with everything you say but I cannot work out how you reach the conclusion that his own death was not part of his psychopathic plan. Had he been executed he'd have the same place in Norwegian history that Gary Gilmore has in American history. That was what he wanted but sod that, he's not getting it.

        2. dilbert77

          Re: Execute the bastard

          > He's a psychopath

          No, he's not, at least not in legal terms. The court found him to be sane, and treated him accordingly. If he was found to be insane, he would not have been in prison, but in a mental institution.

          (That's not to say that in more common terms, he is surely nuts)

          1. Vociferous

            Re: Execute the bastard

            > No, he's not, at least not in legal terms.

            Yes, he is. The psych evaluation found him to be a narcissist, which is another term for psychopath. The only difference between a narcissist and a psychopath is that a narcissist is able to admire and identify with powerful people and causes, in Breiviks case white supremacy.

            > The court found him to be sane

            No, the court found that he was able to understand what he had done. In Norway only suspects too mentally ill to understand what they've done are exempt from prosecution. Psychopaths are perfectly aware of what they do and that it's wrong.

  23. Mystic Megabyte
    FAIL

    Common mistake

    Take steroids, get into body-building, become insanely vain then violent.

  24. arctic_haze

    I believe the reason he has access only to games for children is that the psychologists believe his emotional development stopped at that level.

    1. Vociferous

      > his emotional development stopped at that level

      That, and as part of his defense he claimed to have used FPS's to train for the attack.

  25. Boris the Cockroach Silver badge

    Get him a

    organ doners card.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aclS1pGHp8o

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Get him a

      organ doners card.....

      What, for liver kebabs?

  26. vonBureck
    Mushroom

    Never give him another headline

    Now that would hurt his overblown, sociopathic ego. Maybe as a reminder and deterrent mention once a year that the fucker is still rotting in prison as he deserves. But other than that - never mention him again on the news, never read about his sick personality games, never comment about him on internet forums... Shit, just failed. OK, so starting from... NOW.

  27. Graeme Hayes
    Facepalm

    Hell?

    This f*ckwit doesn't know what hell is.

    I have a five year old who thinks that Spongebob Squarepants is the greatest cartoon ever, that "Gangnam Style" needs to be repeated incessantly at EVERY child's birthday party and that One Direction are the best band in the world.

    I'd happily swap his "hell" for mine, any day of the week.

    Especially now, "Gangnam Style" has just come on again.....................for the eighth time in a row.

  28. mike 19

    he's been a bad boy, no video games or electronics and be glad we don't spank him.

  29. Jemma

    A few points

    1: If they'd have just executed the guy they'd have created a martyr - that's politics 101 - to the point even David Cameron could grasp it...

    2: Whether you care to admit it or not, credit where credit is due, Breivik has proven to be a tactician of the scale of a Von Manstein, Allenbrooke, or Blucher - if he'd have been in an army in wartime he'd be parading round the place with a Dannebrog, a GCMG and at the least a Ritterkreuz mit Eichenlaub & Schwerten... FOR DOING EXACTLY THE SAME DAMN THING.

    3: Drone Strikes - aka bobbing for brides/whack a wedding... and don't you dare tell me they're legitimate targets if Russian partisans weren't. Oh silly me - if I'm a private citizen & kill 80 odd people that's a crime - if I'm a police officer, a soldier or a politician -they'll give me a goddamn medal..

    4: Contrary to popular belief its in the authorities best interests to keep this unpleasant individual happy - happy sociopaths are quiet sociopaths - and having the world media barf out the whole situation and the embarrassing incompetence of the security forces is not helpful - nor does it help the victims survivors/families.

    If your pet sociopath wants his games, especially if he's an anti-darling of the media, you'd best swallow your revulsion & pony up, if only to shut the guy up. In this case all publicity is bad publicity.

    5: I find it pretty telling that in Europe when this sort of thing happens gun control is tightened up before they've found all the bodies - in the US they debate Uzi's for schoolkids.. god I love the American Dream..

    Finally - for *insert deity here*'s sake - actually sit down and look at your society critically just for once. Do that and hopefully you'll begin to understand why people like Breivik pop up. Modern society in alot of senses makes life in the dark ages positively dreamy by comparison.

    I don't condone what this individual did but then I'm sure I'm not the only one who's contemplated the improvement garnered by the British economy if someone had emptied a Sten into a certain Mr Osbourne a few years back. Its an unpleasant truth that should be stated - the only difference between Anders Breivik and the majority of the rest of humanity - he did what many of us contemplate daily..

    Don't you just love civilized society?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: A few points

      Your point 2 is quite wrong. Von Manstein and Alan Brooke [sic] may not have been very nice people in some ways but they were great men. Breivik is a very small man, which is why he killed children rather than starting a political movement. Von Manstein and Brooke wouldn't have diverted a single squaddie with a rifle to attack unarmed children on an island because it would not have contributed to winning the war or the peace, and they certainly wouldn't have awarded anyone a medal for doing it. You really need to read the biographies of Brooke. And you ought to read about Ritter von Thoma, as an example of the best kind of German general.

      As for point 3, I was not aware that Norway participated in drone strikes.

      As for point 4, I partially agree. What I'd do is, though, I would let him participate in Internet forums - but using that trick that when he posts he can see it, but nobody else can. That would eat away at his self importance, wondering endlessly why nobody ever replies to him or votes him up.

      1. Jemma

        Re:re A few points

        In reply..

        Both Erich Von Manstein & Allenbrooke used the same tactic as Breivik did and both were decorated. The difference - two were army commanders, and paid to kill - the other did it for admittedly whacked beliefs - but last I noticed the people they killed are collectively just as dead. Your point re 98ks & lee enfields is a little facetious - when on the one hand its Stens & MG42's and on the other a platoons worth of automatic weapons. More to the point is how the little sod got his hands on them in the first instance. The point should also be made that for all three the people they killed or died as a result of their orders were legitimate targets, the difference being Breiviks view is not shared by anyone else - whereas for the others its legitimate government policy, that is the sole difference - unless you count Zhukovs troops emptying sub machine guns into unarmed German teenage girls as somehow any more legitimate than what Breivik did?

        You are right - so far as I know Norway isn't into crashing weddings with cluster bombs - but again just as dead & importantly just as civilian.

        I hate to be blunt about it but the poor kids involved in this - many of them wanted a career in politics - one of the things politicians do? oh yes, that's right, wars and the prosecution of same. Killing people, at however many remove.

        And I suggest you read your history - the British army were the ones who came up with concentration camps - and have you seen the mess a Lewis Gun can make of Indian women & children? As for Von Manstein - history is dubious there especially during 11th Army ops - although personally I'm on the side of giving him the benefit of the doubt.

        I like your idea re forums but not giving him actual access - whatever else he is he's intelligent - and since Norwegian authorities seem to have yard of lard syndrome he might find a way to exploit it...

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Re:re A few points

          I don't quite understand your post. Are you also referring to other posts on the assumption that there is only one person posting AC?

          Perhaps you could clarify by explaining what tactic you think that von Manstein and Brooke used that was the same as that used by Breivik? And which post referred to models of weapon? I am wondering if English is not your first language and you are using "tactics" to mean something different.

          If you are referring to the killing of civilians I agree - I consider Harris to be as much a war criminal as, say, Himmler. But I can't get the British Government to agree with me, though immediately after WW2 Harris was extremely unpopular.

          Although I didn't make any reference to the Russians, it is worth pointing out that when the Soviet Union invaded East Prussia, the people doing the shooting of civilians were aware that five Soviet soldiers had died for every German. They saw how rich even backwards East Prussia was, and could not understand why the Germans had invaded them. I don't excuse them, just point out that there is a bit of a difference between having seen your comrades killed by invading Germans, and having a fantasy about Muslim immigration. Or are you comparing Breivik's difficulties in life to those of the people in the Battle of the Kursk Salient, or the defence of Leningrad?

          Your argument seems to be, if I am making it out correctly, that soldiers kill people in wars, therefore Breivik is morally no different. Is that correct?

    2. Vociferous

      Re: A few points

      1) A martyr to whom? The nazis? The nazi movement is miniscule in Scandinavia, they could all fit on a tennis court (with room to spare). Also, AFAIK even the nazis don't like Breivik, as he killed mostly norwegian children.

      2) What tactics? Dressing as a police officer and attacking children on an island doesn't exactly require tactical genius.

      3) Huh? What's drone strikes got to do with Breivik??? FWIW, there's significantly less collateral damage with drone strikes than with strikes with conventional aircraft.

      4) He is happy when he gets attention. Unfortunately the norwegian society has given him too much of that, and continues to. But, like you say, as long as he's happy he's unlikely to start trying to kill the prison wardens.

      5) Thank god there's no NRA in Europe. This we can agree on.

      1. Jemma

        Re: A few points

        As 77 dead bodies attests even one person seeing him as a martyr is dangerous - and I don't think we know the entirety of the Nazi groups - there's a fair few in the US...

        Did you forget the part with the bomb(s) in the capital? - aka a diversionary attack and a masterpiece of the genre. Those tactics.. part of the reason Breivik is so damn dangerous is he did single handed what entire armies failed to pull off, perfectly. Even if you loathe him to the point of hanging him by his balls over a Mamba tank - it was artistically done. Just one person copying his method (which has now been slathered through the press) means maybe 80+ dead - now try a whole group... Breivik has to die of natural causes in his natural time.. the results otherwise could be horrific.

        The point is simple - you and I or Breivik kill 80 civilians - its a crime. US Army does it - its government policy & perfectly legal. As for less collateral damage - drone aircraft deliver the same munitions in the same way, same weapon same damage, only difference is its cheaper & no meatbags.

        1. Vociferous

          Re: A few points

          > Did you forget the part with the bomb(s) in the capital?

          We recently had some bank robbers not only used multiple decoy attacks, but spread caltrops over the road to stop pursuing police cars, and changed stolen getaway vehicles twice, which they then both burned. If Breivik setting off a bomb to lure the tiny Norwegian police force to Oslo so he'll get more time to kill unarmed children trapped on a small island is perfect tactical genius, then what would you call those bank robbers?

          > Breivik is so damn dangerous is he did single handed what entire armies failed to pull off,

          Haha no seriously, come on. He set off a bomb, and shot trapped, unarmed, children. You have very low standards for perfection (not to mention what armies are capable of!).

          > it was artistically done

          No, it wasn't. The only inspired choice Breivik made was to pick a small island as target. Everything else was superfluous: the Norwegian police is tiny and had no rapid response capability, and no one had even considered the possibility that someone might be so irrational as to do something like this. He could have just gone to the island and started killing, and everything would have played out the same.

          > the results otherwise could be horrific

          The retults otherwise would be a dead Breivik, the usual complaints from liberals opposed to capital punishment -- and that's it. His fanatical legions of phantom supporters do not exist, all there is are highschool kids who want to see him as some sort of evil mastermind rather than a deluded and confused man with a lot of guns.

          > As for less collateral damage - drone aircraft deliver the same munitions in the same way

          Yes, and kill much fewer innocents. The reason is believed to be because a) combat is stressful, and stressed pilots sometimes make mistakes, while a drone operator is not personally in danger and therefore not as stressed, and b) the longer chain of command and the signal time from operator to drone means that drone operators never take split second decisions.

          If one feel that it's OK to target and kill terrorists, as I do, then one should support drones. If on the other hand one feel that it's not OK to target and kill terrorists, then one should be at least as opposed to strikes by manned aircraft.

      2. M Gale

        Re: A few points

        Thank god there's no NRA in Europe. This we can agree on.

        Actually, yes there is.

        1. Eguro

          Re: A few points

          Just feel that it needs mentioning: Dannebrog is the national flag of Denmark, not Norway. So unless we're talking of either a really long past war, or some future in which Norway has once again come under Danish rule, I don't think Dannebrog would be involved in your scenario.

  30. Florida1920
    Coat

    What goes up

    I understand the view from the roof of the Oslo Radisson is great.

    The one that converts to a parachute.

  31. Alistair
    Coat

    Some psychopathic ass got himself back in the news

    Stop giving him what he wants already --

    ATTENTION.

  32. sisk

    Appropriate reaction

    When my kids complain that some toy or game they have isn't good enough, I take it away and don't replace it. You're in prison dude. Be glad you have something to do other than stare at blank walls.

    1. M Gale

      Re: Appropriate reaction

      I would think "go out and buy a better one then" would be sufficient enough to teach the value of money, without teaching them to steal from people that are smaller than they are.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Appropriate reaction

        How would that teach them not to steal from people that are smaller than they are?

        1. M Gale

          Re: Appropriate reaction

          You should learn to read.

          It wouldn't teach them to. Call it "lead by example."

  33. J 3
    Devil

    Hell?

    He doesn't know torture and hell in such a situation until he's been in a regular Brazilian prison -- overcrowded, commanded by drug lords, killings to lower population, corrupt and violent guards/staff, whatever you imagine. He's actually in prisoner paradise and does not know...

  34. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Cassette 50

    All he deserves is a Dragon 32 and a copy of Cassette 50 (without the 'free' calculator watch).

  35. Curly4

    Give him the opportunity!

    Instead of upgrading to PS3 they should take the PS2 and let him have nothing for a while. Why should a killer dictate to the prison? If he does starve himself to death it would be his choice and he would have to do so with the food in his cell though.

  36. Charles Smith

    Give him the latest iPad

    The poor chap is misunderstood. They should give him the latest top end iPad and release him. One small condition of release is that it should be on Henderson Island with no boat.

  37. GCh

    Maybe there is a moral to this story

    Maybe it is not right to shoot lots of children

    I wouldn't complain about having any console if I were interred for a serious crime.

    I'd probably try to spend most of my day doing exercises and reading books to be honest.

    Maybe even writing one or two, perhaps trying to further the knowledge of man even.

    I'm almost done with gaming in real life as it is creeping into my time too much.

    I'm surprised at this mans audacity but then I remember - he shot lots of children

  38. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re. Maybe there is a moral to this story

    If you ask me, someone should give him a PS3, but liberally loaded with cobalt 60 so he dies a slow and painful death.

  39. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    This is not a "think of the children" post

    I see commentators here continually posting the falsehood that ABB killed "children". That is disingenuous, intending to evoke some sort of idea that he went around slaughtering the innocents. This is a common tactic used throughout history to paint "evil"

    * The victims were adults and adolescents

    * The victims were politically active (by their own choice) for the party and indeed the political establishment that ABB intended to (and in fact did) attack, and thus legitimate targets (in his reasoning).

    * If you "carry the flag", you are a legitimate target for the opponents of the "flag"

    * There were innocent bystanders killed in Oslo, from ABBs viewpoint, casualties of war

    You don't have to like the idea, but when looking closely in the mirror, ABB did what many secretly "want" to do, but instantly reject as wrong. ABB just didn't have the brain circuitry to reach the conclusion that most others reach.Make no mistake, the "thought" of doing what he did has been had by many (which parenthetically is why the notion of "thought crime" is an abomination). Instead, we just go and play FPS games and imagine that it is David Cameron that we are obliterating, and having quelled our frustrations, move on with our daily lives.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: This is not a "think of the children" post

      "I see commentators here continually posting the falsehood that ABB killed "children". That is disingenuous, intending to evoke some sort of idea that he went around slaughtering the innocents. This is a common tactic used throughout history to paint "evil" "

      Errr .... you seem to be implying that killing 69 unarmed people, some as young as 14, is not "evil"

      That's a bit worrying

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: This is not a "think of the children" post

        That was not the implication at all.

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  41. Ketlan

    "Please forgive me for being offended that some childish pricks make breathtakingly vapid remarks about a man who killed ten people and injured dozens more, in the process risking my own life and the lives of those I love when he set off a bomb in central Oslo, intended to set off one or two more, and then merrily headed off to a political party's summer camp to murder a further 70 teenagers. Call me pathetic all you like but the fact that the first comment on this article was a pathetic dig at Microsoft says a lot more about the commenters on this website than anything else."

    A million times 'well said'.

    Fuck him. Let him die, fucking scum.

    1. Muhammed_Catamite

      One trusts you feel the same way about the killers of Lee Rigby , the muslim grooming gangs who operate all over Europe ? The ones Brevik knew were given carte blanche by the people he killed.

  42. Eguro
    Meh

    He'll continue to make up one thing or another to complain about from time to time. He can't stand being slowly forgotten, but he will be. This is simply him wanting to be in the press, and it's working.

    There really isn't any news value to this thing, except that it's him saying anything. The sooner that also loses its news value the better.

  43. JLV

    WTF?

    Why does this moron have access to any gaming system in the first place?

    I definitely respect Norway's negative stance on the death penalty, esp when the public response after Breivik was to NOT change it. Takes cojones for a society not to overreact to an atrocity like this. But this guy doesn't deserve anything besides being kept alive and well so he sits out a loooong life in prison.

    Torture? No, but don't grant him anything that makes his life nice. I would perhaps draw the line at solitary confinement as well, but this guy is pathetically worthless scum, not a normal criminal, and should be treated as such. Punishment, in a dignified and legal fashion, not rehabilitation, should be the order of the day.

    As for the Win8 dig at the start. Juvenile, yes! But so very funny!

    HolyFreakingGhost - get a chill pill and a sense of humor. Remember, this is an IT forum and the angle here was PS2 vs PS3. So it is only normal that people comment on computer stuff. The thing about digging at MS is how so many of us saw Win8 heading for a trainwreck and how that exceeded all our expectations. Regardless of the merits (or lack thereof) of MS, it takes a special attitude to tell the great majority of your customers that you couldn't care less what they think because you know so much better.

  44. Daemon ZOGG
    Coat

    "Threatens hunger strike if kiddie-game 'hell' doesn't end"

    To the Norwegian Correctional Services: I am offering, free of charge, my IT/IS and coding skills to the creation of a website to be used as a video streaming platform. For the purpose of freely allowing everyone on the internet to witness the slow death of this rotten scum during his hunger strike. I'll even throw in the webcam.

  45. Bitbeisser

    Well, he is certainly one of those cases where .45 at the back of the head after the trial would have been the most humane treatment for everyone. And easier on the electricity bill...

    1. MonkeyCee

      The Boston solution. Shot in the back of the head after "attacking" the security.

      1. Philip Lewis

        @ MonkeyCee

        I think the german special terrorist force practiced this on a particularly evil individual moments after he had murdered a plain clothes colleague in cold blood, as he realised the gig was up. The German police took some stick for it in the left wing press, but IMHO it was a suitable solution in those specific circumstances.

  46. bert_fe

    Spoiled Brat

    This person is at best delusional and at worst a psychopath. He killed many others because he was not 'getting his own way', just like a two year old brat. We must always not ever lower ourselves to his level of selfish violent acts of retribution. Otherwise we become just like him!

    Let the unbiased rule of law take care of his future as it should. Bert

  47. 404

    From the prison staff point of view

    Give the bastard a PS3, long as he STFU, we're good.

    Seriously folks, these cream_of_the_crop_assholes have lots of time on their hands, with nothing to lose. There will be downvotes from the 'hard time-fuck-em folks' and there is some validity to their argument, but I'd rather have my officers go home unscathed. Give him the damn PS3 since you won't execute him - former shift sergeant, AZ Dept of Corrections.

  48. apjanes
    Pirate

    Awww...

    Poor baby! I guess he should have thought of the prospect of a crap console and game selection before he started KILLING people! Maybe he should get an escorted London Dungeon tour to help him realise the luxurious conditions he lives in.

  49. Trygve Henriksen

    How does the sick shit know that other prisoners have PS3?

    It's not as if he can walk over and ask, since he's in solitary confinement...

    And most other prisoners have promised to maim him on sight.

    I only have one request of The Register, and the world press in general:

    PLEASE STOP POSTING HIS RANTING!

    Stop posting about him at all!

    He enjoys being the focus of attention!

    Also, as long as the sick bastard gets attention he'll be a martyr/idol for other such sickos.

  50. Gareth Wright

    Playstation, really?

    WTF does he have any games console?

    How is that justice?

  51. Muhammed_Catamite

    Elephant in the room

    Reading the comments , it appears that the reason Brevik did what he did is almost completely ignored . Muslims across Europe in jail demand (and get) much more outlandish requests than those seen in the 'story' .. yet this does not appear to require comment and is quietly accepted .

    Niemöller is oft quoted , history repeats itself (as S.Bassey said) - support/condone an ideology that is diametrically opposed to the values you pledge to hold dear ---whose crazier?

    FWIW , make him play JSW 'The Banyan Tree' with infinite lives poke.

  52. Anonymous Noel Coward

    I have a PlayStation 3, but I've been playing a lot of my PlayStation 2 lately.

    Currently trying to do a low level challenge in Final Fantasy IX.

    Old games are still the best.

  53. Miek
    Linux

    I'd give him a book* and tell him to shut the fuck up.

    * With last page removed as a dickmove

  54. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Respect this man's rights....

    ....may his hunger strike be long and painful.

  55. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    what the...

    Why does this piece of crap even have electricity or light? He killed over 70 people and probably disfigured and traumatized over 300, and they let him live? He should be grateful for each day he wakes up and doesn't have to eat 1/2 lbs of broken glass washed down by bleach. Wow, I guess if you want to be an arch-criminal Oslo is your town.

    I wouldn't even give this guy a coloring book and crayons. Let him entertain himself.

  56. Pat Volk

    Oh no, a 'merkin sounds off...

    Norway is treating him how they treat anybody. The parallel with the US isn't 9/11, but the Oklahoma City Bombing (domestic terrorist, we executed him). I don't believe he can be rehabilitated, only warehoused.

    I think the last execution in Norway was Vidkun Quisling... If you have an exception, that's a good one in my book (ABB is not in that ballpark).

    Crime and punishment here in the states, it differs depending on state (which is responsible for most of the laws), and the severity of the crime. We're a fickle lot, especially when it comes to drugs. With higher populations, the prision quality goes down. With a diverse population, that makes prision even more fun to manage. Gangs in Norway? I know they have a Hell's Angels chapter, maybe a skinhead group or two.

    It's a chicken and egg thing. Is the system making the criminals in the US, or the criminals making the system? Implementing a Norwegian-style system probably won't work here.

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