Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak disses Ashton Kutcher's Steve Jobs Steve Wozniak isn't too impressed with the Steve Jobs biopic film Jobs - and said a lot of its problems came from Ashton Kutcher's portrayal of the Apple founder. The Woz jumped on the comments section of a Gizmodo review of the movie for his own impromptu critique, which wasn't all that complimentary. "I saw Jobs tonight. I …
This movie hasn't sold. Deadline's summary of the weekend US box office results was: "Oprah’s PR Blitz Helps ‘The Butler’ Open #1 With $25M: Soft Box Office As ‘Kick Ass 2′ Falls, ‘Jobs’ Biopic Dies, ‘Paranoia’ Bombs"
See the original — http://www.deadline.com/2013/08/did-oprah-affect-box-office-the-butler-tops-box-office-friday/ — for the full text, but highlights are:
Flopping in wide release (2,381 theaters) was ... Jobs [which] came in only #7 with a meager $6.7M despite a plethora of TV ad buys. ... Rotten Tomatoes critics only gave it 24% positive reviews because of its superficial made-for-TV depiction of a complex creative and business icon. Still it’s surprising how many Apple devotees stayed away despite the marketing’s psychographic targeting to them.
""The Wizard of WOZ" That is who really made Apple a success. Jobs mouth always overran his ability, Woz always found a way."
Woz's story I would pay to go and see. How he pretty well single handedly designed Apple 1, starting from a blank sheet and not a lot of precedence.
And his take on how Jobs dumped him.
I too lived through the Apple Ii era.
That's one story I don't think any of us will ever read. We might read his wife's take on it. Or his kids's take. But on this side of The Great Divide I don't think we'll ever know what Woz thinks on this issue.
I don't know if it's class, loyalty or some combination thereof, but whatever Woz thinks about it, he's keeping it to himself. And I respect that decision, much as I'd like to know the juicy details. Sometimes other people being better does pull someone else up to a higher standard.
AMEN! I bought one of the original garage built Apple ]['s. What a DREAM MACHINE! It came with the original Red and Blue manuals that spelled out the inner workings and logic diagrams, plus all the source code. Woz invented Open Source long before the "movement" started. Then it took off. I seriously doubt the hand of Steve Wozniak in the closing down of the Apple][+ and the rest. They weren't open and quieted the whines of the software industry after users figured out how easily software written for one could be copied (pirated) on the original machines with the reset to mini-assembler. I know. I also doubt Wozniak favored the dropping of support for machines without some form of upgrade. I love The Woz, I just wish he had some "assertiveness training".
Pirates of Sillicon valley.. I remember I pirated it (ha ha, get it?) when it first came out and watched it once on poor quality VCD (which I think I still have). I think it was the first introduction I got to how much of an asshole Jobs was. I don't remember much from the movie other than Gates "stealing" DOS and Jobs being an asshole, so am semi looking forward to seeing it again.
I watched an interview with someone who was apparently on the first Mac team from '80-87 last week and he commented on how he loved working for Jobs even though he knew at any minute he could be ripped apart by him in front of 100 other people. He said Jobs was always right and that made it OK he said he did the best work of his life there and would love to do it again if he had the chance. Myself I feel like I would be the exact polar opposite of that. With the caveat of never having worked with/for or even known someone who is "always right".
In checking up on the movie(Pirates) over the weekend I noticed(and vaguely remember now) that one of the Apple events had the actor that played jobs in the movie give some of the keynote, and joked around with the real Jobs on stage. I don't know how real the movie was vs the overall dislike of the Jobs movie, but it sounds like it was much better overall.
So, go see it if that sort of thing interests you.
Well, in matters of IT and such, I am always right!
Therefore people hate working for me because it always turns out bad for them when they choose to disagree with me and are later shown yet again to have made egregious errors and demonstrated their lack of skill, critical thinking, logic or whatever.
However, people love working with me, because, well, I am always right, so that always leads to bigger and better things for everyone.
YMMV and anon for obvious reasons.
You don't really get it do you?
Microsoft was lucky, they bluffed IBM by saying they had an OS for their new machine (they didn't).
Apple on the other hand had to earn their keep, they didn't have a monopoly to support them.
Jobs left Apple, Apple started to falter. NeXT was created by Jobs after being ousted from Apple. WWW was written on a NeXT machine.
Jobs rejoined Apple and the company's fortunes were lifted.
I'd say Jobs is more worthy of a film than Microsoft is. Both Jobs and his products have been a lot more influential and risky compared to Microsoft who just generally carried on making stuffy office software.
" Both Jobs and his products have been a lot more influential and risky compared to Microsoft who just generally carried on making stuffy office software."
Apart from the bit where Microsoft put out WIndows 95 and managed to get everyone + dog to buy a PC of course, something Apple had singularly failed to do with years and years head start.
"Apart from the bit where Microsoft put out WIndows 95 and managed to get everyone + dog to buy a PC of course, something Apple had singularly failed to do with years and years head start."
Gary Arlen Kildall (May 19, 1942 – July 11, 1994)
Note the significance of the year that Microsoft's biggest competitor, critic and threat died. That's Luck, That is.
There was a link to Youtube among posts here earlier but that lead to another link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nMD6sjAe8I
Even if I would not, by any means, consider my self an Apple ifan, probably much due to the ilitigation and the iexplanation they went into. But somehow that interview warms my heart. Apple II was my first personal computer, not my first computer professionally, but the first to take home. Visicalc was the first software that really impressed me. "Bread and butter" -software is just that. Warms my heart to hear him speak about it.
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"From what I understand, Pixar was successful because he knew he knew nothing about the movie industry and was generally willing to listen to advice and usually take a back seat."
That in itself is a useful skill, especially in a man who was generally accepted as being a giant egomaniac.
"I'm grateful to Steve for his excellence in the i-era, and his contribution to my own life of enjoying great products, but this movie portrays him having had those skills in earlier times,"
I believe this is the result of some perfectly understandable confusion, Kutcher was clearly portraying this year's JobS.
Quoting Kutcher:
"He was also extremely unavailable to us when producing this film"
Not just unavailable, but extremely unavailable.
So instead of being in a meeting and unable to talk to you today, he was in a meeting in a hut somewhere in Antarctica, with no means of communicating with anyone who wasn't present.
A film deification of a human being, made by people who worship him, is both inaccurate and pisses off those who lived the events. No surprises here, I - and probably everyone else reasonably in touch with the industry - knew it would end this way from the first interview with Kutcher.
I know Jobs believed his own hype later in life, but I can't help but think even he'd be utterly peeved at this.
"I know Jobs believed his own hype later in life"
Incorrect. He knew damn well that it was pure marketing. In RealLife[tm], he wasn't like that at all. How do I know? He was a neighbor of mine in Palo Alto's Johnson Park neighborhood. No, I do not intend to see the movie, it'd probably drive me crazy.
(If you're reading this, hi Woz! Yes, I'm that jake ;-) Look me up next time you're in Sonoma.)
Yes, Steve took his cash to the grave with him, can anyone remember him giving to any charaties. His was the largest slaver orginization in the western hemisphere. Why his employees only had to work 12 hours a day and he robbed the corporate America blind and was given a pat on the back for it. I bet the devil is enjoying steve,s company, maybe the devil and steve are looking on from Taiwan to see how many new slaves they can employ today..
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