back to article Who is the mystery sixth member of LulzSec?

Thursday's sentencing of three core members of hacktivist crew LulzSec and an accomplice hacker who gave them access to a botnet closes an important chapter in the history of activism. But it also leaves a number of questions unanswered. One of the most interesting of these puzzlers is the identity of the mysterious sixth …


This topic is closed for new posts.
  1. Thomas 4

    Just goes to show

    AVunit was the smart one. The best hackers are the ones that keep their traps shut and never brag about their exploits.

    1. Gordon Pryra

      Re: Just goes to show


      What do 5 script kiddies make?

      Good fall guys for a real hacker

    2. Anonymous Coward 101

      Re: Just goes to show

      "The best hackers are the ones that keep their traps shut and never brag about their exploits."

      Perhaps that is something these chumps will learn in their two or three semester course at the University of Crime? I'm sure their fellow 'students' did not get nicked for being so stupid as to publicly boast about their crimes.

    3. Tchou

      Re: Just goes to show

      The best hackers are the one with outstanding coding skills, the one who are game changers. They don't go for the lulz, but aim at being the bests. If they go down it is because they disrupt existing markets, established leaders.

      Rare resource they are.

      1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge

        Re: Just goes to show

        > The best hackers are the one with outstanding coding skills

        The circle of confusion between programming, hacking, cracking and wrecking is now COMPLETE.

        Journos: "My work here is done!"

      2. lightknight

        Re: Just goes to show

        Nonsense. The best crackers are not necessarily the ones with the best coding skills, but the ones who understand how to use every resource available to them, even to the point of getting those resources to act in concert.

        How many times has a cracker with excellent coding skills been defeated by something as simple as a hardware keylogger? How many times has a half-baked, couldn't write C-code if it would stay an execution cracker managed to finangle his or her way into some high-level systems simply by offering to play tech support to a company for a day, walking around installing trojans using admin rights on company machines?

        And the best crackers, of course, are the ones who've managed to convince the state / security forces that they are working for them, all for the low salary of a few tens of thousands a year, or maybe to get some time off a prison sentence.

        I've openly wondered where all the great crackers of yesteryear went...those who were masters of their art in the '90s, and by now, would possibly be gods among men. They all just....disappeared. Now I wonder if, with the sudden rise of these cyberarmies and the firms which offer said services, if they didn't simply change their colors. Still, I am not sure...the problem I have is that if these firms hosted these people, I'd imagine they'd be a lot more effective than they have been. It's odd.

    4. Justice

      Re: Just goes to show

      All your BitCoins are belong to us.

      Now, off to Silk Road with you for some shenanigans!!!

    5. S4qFBxkFFg
      Thumb Up

      Re: Just goes to show

      Agreed, although I would argue that rigorously segregating your online activities is a better jail-avoiding route.

      For anyone doing anything dodgy, it's idiotic not to USE A PHYSICALLY SEPARATE BOX, one that's permanently Torred-up (or whatever suitable alternative is preferred). Otherwise, eventually, the would-be terrorist / child pornographer / leaker is going to have a "Waitaminute - if I'm using Tor why is my ping so low at the mome... OH SHI-"

  2. This post has been deleted by a moderator

  3. Irongut Silver badge

    custodian of this stash, on behalf of his former partners in crime

    More like custodian of this stash, on his own behalf. Maybe that was his plan all along? The various operations were just covers and his partners patsies for his money making plans.

  4. WraithCadmus
    Black Helicopters

    Start your conspiracy theories NOW

    Here's what I have so far:

    - Law/Intelligence Agent Provocateur

    - Criminal Mastermind

    - Sentient IRC bot

    - PVC-clad high-kicking cyber terrorist

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Start your conspiracy theories NOW

      I'd go with agent provocateur fwiw.

      1. John Smith 19 Gold badge

        Re: Start your conspiracy theories NOW

        I think we've unmasked amanfromares1

        1. oolor

          Re: I think we've unmasked amanfromares1

          Please say it ain't so! That guy is almost as fun a read as ¡Bong!

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I still find it pretty amusing that after they lambasted HBGary for their lack of security, not all of them encrypted their own drives and the ones that did clearly didn't do it well enough and so rolled over and gave the keys.

    1. Alan Brown Silver badge

      The US has the 5th amendment

      The UK has RIPA. Failing to hand over the keys is a 2 year sentence all by itself.

      In other countries, refusal to hand over the keys on response to a court order is contempt of court and you'll get to sit in a cell for a week at a time until the judge gets bored, or you change your mind.

  6. Daniel B.

    Not the sharpest knife in the drawer

    "Police latched onto Monsegur, an unemployed 28-year-old from New York, after he made the mistake of logging into an IRC chat server used by LulzSec without using the Tor anonymisation service - and just days after LulzSec had attacked the Feds."

    Monumentally stupid move. That's like having your KGB spies show up with KGB badges outside the FBI. Really, doing something like that is a surefire way to get the Feds knocking on your door!

    1. Zaphod.Beeblebrox
      Big Brother

      Re: Not the sharpest knife in the drawer

      <Stroking beard>Hmmm, almost seems like he wanted to get caught...</psychoanalysis>

  7. Zmodem

    could of all been avoided using null nuke with no exploits

  8. TheRealRoland

    Would of thought..

    that I could of avoid the grammar nazi stuff for a day..

    1. Zmodem

      Re: Would of thought..

      im british, I hacked into the dark spaceship using a tv arial, a microwave and a 3g phone

      1. MondoMan

        Re: Would of thought..

        Didn't know IM was British. Is "TV Arial" a low-res version of Arial, analogous to Arial Condensed?

        1. Zmodem

          Re: Would of thought..

          a fake satelite arial i stole off a camper van

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I seem to recall that when they or someone else did over GCHQ's public facing site...

    ... I said something like, I'd rather trying to rape Paul Castellano's daughter on the steps of the Vatican on live telly, and leave my business cards strewn all over the place.

    My guess is the sixth man was a g man.

    There are some things you just don't do. You don't step out in front of a lorry, you don't slap Mike Tyson's mother, and you don't take on the people who own the infrastructure.

    Everyone from Hannibal, to bin Laden have learned the hard way. Nothing's changed. Never has, never will.

  10. asdf

    a trend

    My guess is if you average the sentences the UK people will get 1 month for every 1 year the US people get. Truly a country built on extreme retribution especially if mess with the corporate money and aren't in the C Suite country club.

  11. David Glasgow

    One by one the men stand....

    "I am AVunit"...... "I am AVunit" ......

  12. oolor
    Black Helicopters

    I'll bet $10 in the monies of any former British Colony that it was a 3-letter agency set-up and the Bitcoins are being used to bust the network.

  13. Matt Bryant Silver badge


    The secret identity of AVunit is....

    1. Beaker from the Muppets - because he has those shifty eyes.

    2. Michael Mcintyre - same crap level of humour involved trying to be passed of for "lulz".

    3. Janet Jackson - "it was all an accidental wardrobe malfunction with a PC...."

    4. Julian Assange - well, apart from the links to Wikileaks, what else has he got to do whilst he's stuck sucking his thumb in the Ecuadorean Embassy?

  14. mark l 2 Silver badge

    Exactly what evidence did the UK courts put forward to get convictions from the other Lulzsec members as none of the articles i have seen seem to say exactly what evidence the police found to charge them?

    I suspect the 6th member now has probably wiped any evidence from his computer and only surfs using tor just in case.

    1. weekend

      Good question.

      I know that there is absolutely 0 reported evidence against the supposed(no conviction yet) antisec member jeremy hammond.

      From what I can tell he is being accused of having a life very similar to what the anarchaos fellow described to be his life and for disconnecting at approximately the same times. This information was widely available to several 1000 hackers so I have to question in how far that counts as evidence.

      He's an american though so he'll be looking at 30 years to life when convicted.

      1. This post has been deleted by its author

      2. Zmodem

        the brits will be put in a open prison in a few months with surround sound tv and hookers in their cell, then disappear and start working for the MOD

        hacking groups are a national game, its why theres so much news about McKinnon, and the police going hahaha hes not a real hacker in interviews

        if a country gets some big game, its fair enough, maybe next time

    2. Tom 13

      Re: I suspect the 6th member

      Yes, to the first bit, no to the second.

      Yes, seeing his cohorts in jail probably has caused him to wipe any pcs he might have been using for the activities. The thing is, while there is a sudden burst of caution at nearly being caught, after a while it tends to get replaced by the "I'm too smart to be caught" syndrome, which eventually leads to them being caught. Moreover, browsing everything from TOR (or similar) would be the sort of behavior that would attract attention from investigative agencies.

    3. weekend

      never mind

      Disregard previous reply, he caved in to the prosecutions pressure after being locked up for over a year and facing several other trails if he did manage to win.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Extradition should be mandatory for all digital crimes

    No quarters should be alloted to cyber crims. Society should step up and make expeditious extradition mandatory for all digiatl crimes. Japan has the correct approach with mandatory prison sentences and high fines for all digital crime. The rest of society needs to adopt the same.

    1. foo_bar_baz

      Re: Extradition should be mandatory for all digital crimes

      Why not just establish sharia law while you're at it?

      1. Matt Bryant Silver badge

        Re: foolish_baz Re: Extradition should be mandatory for all digital crimes

        "Why not just establish sharia law...." Don't be silly, Sharia law is rediculously outdated, being over 900 years old and completely out-of-place in modern society, and doesn't even suggest which bit of a hackers body should be lopped off as punishment.

  16. Zolko

    I am AVunit

    there, said it, feels a lot better.

    oops, did I forget to post as AC ?

    1. Matt Bryant Silver badge

      Re: I am AVunit

      ".....oops, did I forget to post as AC ?" More pertinently, did you sign in via TOR?

  17. John Smith 19 Gold badge


    The DB Cooper of hacking?

    We'll see. But to support the theory they are a stalking horse put up by some three letter agency they'd have to be the person who suggested they form a group in the first place. That does not hold up if Monsignor was their leader.

This topic is closed for new posts.

Biting the hand that feeds IT © 1998–2021